ELO Rating? Swiss system?Originally Posted by Sheister
Takes into account both wins AND losses instead of the current (War Wins * Opponent's Size) where a KD with 7 wins against 95% is better than a KD with 6 wins against 110%.
Might be a real hassle to programme and calculate, though. But it would be the chart with way more meaning than it does now.
or join abs =) the evil odd mastermind of the universe =D
rofl.
But seriously guys, you have to admit the alliance has kind of outlived its usefulness. You all could actually war each other and do something if you wanted to. In many ways, Abs KDs are as unmotivated as the rest of the server.....
Only way we ever gonna see an increase in kds going for crown is if the only way to grow is with wars.
Make WW give 5% acres and honor (10% of avg) + 10% going into the exp pool of both kds (and make this the only way the exp pool can increase.)
Your whineing is just gonna make less kd's going for crown imo..
so silly!
How is it not an improvement? Being able to do 2 things is better than being able to do one thing. You're free to answer my question to citadel about where I inserted an opinion.
I'm not trying to "incentivise" anything. I'm asking EVERY kd (even the whoring ones) to do better. For the better warring kds, that means whoring. For the ghettos that means...well mostly everything, but one thing at a time I suppose. For the whoring kds, idk, maybe waring, or communication, or something. There's something they can do better. All of this "There's warring and then there's whoring, and those are separate things" are just a bunch of BS excuses that ghetto trash come up with to make them selves feel better about not knowing how to do handle the other side of things.
If you whore and you can't war, you won't crown.
If you war and you can't whore, you won't crown.
It's two sides to the same coin. Stop ignoring the other side because it might actually cause you to face a different challenge.
The majority of the feedback I've gotten has been to the affirmative that utopians are lazy, easily offended, and will fight back with a fervor if confronted about their kds shortcomings.
I didnt answer you Palem cause there is no need to. You‘ve done nothing but impose opinion this entire thread since OP.
I tried to point out exactly that earlier but you dont seem to get it, and I dont feel strongly about it enough to get into endless nitpicking over it.
Ill just settle with saying our definition of improvement are not the same. What you consider improvement is step back in my eyes.
You can start utopian ukulele tournamet for all I care and get into battle of the bands with great utopian ukulele showdown, doesnt mean i‘ll get involved. Same with whoring.
If adding new skills is your definition of taking a step back, but then your definition needs improving. Developing and increasing the abilities of your kd is progress whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
Next you'll tell me that 1+1 =\= 2 because you say it doesn't.
I said I wont nitpick but i‘ll give it one last try before calling it a day.
Playing ukulele is a skill to isnt it? I have about as much interest in as I do in whoring.
I dont want to go to band practices, i dont want to book gigs, i dont want to explain why person xxx gets to play lead ukulele ... and most of all I dont want to deal with others ukulele band leaders and attend formal concerts in the theaters.
All I want is to go from club to club and jam with strangers.
btw I am using wierd analogies not to be amusing but to explain why is what you are saying inherently wrong on every level not just utopia.
Thing is the palem "crowning" is as meaningless as anything done in this game. Just because 6-7 kds value being the biggest and its super easy to track them via a chart that doesn't mean its the best thing that can be done in the game. Or that its better to devote 1 month to perfect "randoming," 1 month to bullying smaller kds, and 1 month waring capable kds than it is to war other kds that are seemingly equally as skilled as you. You know socialize make new friends have fun instead of trying to power game 200 other people in at that level what effectively boils down to whose better at math and psychology.
And what u miss is that
"doing better" doesn't mean whoring. I look at say if i want to war say some random no named kd. I can give them a nice advantage say a 15% acre lead couple of people that if played right could turtule, maybe even a flat out feary bank. Its a challenge its fun i get meet new people and do cool things like sold bouncing to get an "edge." However say im gonna war Freeaksytle, i know their good i want every advantage i can have...but do i need to have whored for land and be 130% their size because they made one small mistake week 2 of a 12 week age. No, lets have a real fight on about even terms see what advantages I can overcome, what I cant and what advantages they'll give me and what they wont. It makes for good fights and you get the advantage of not having to FORCE someone to war when they simply wont have the activity to win due to real life issues.
Last edited by Persain; 04-01-2013 at 15:49.
If today I learn how to play the ukulele then tomorrow I'm better than I was today.
Learning to play the ukelele isn't a commitment to devote my entirely life to trying to make a career out of it.
@Persain - Who won age 5?
Last edited by Palem; 04-01-2013 at 15:50.
Palem, if warring and whoring are not different things requiring different setups, then please explain the differences between ghetto cats, FS, and and and verses what you see in the top 5 KDs. Thank you.
**edit** to be clearer, explain the obvious differences in race and personality selection between them. Once that is done, we can go into the differences between their basic builds.
Top 5 doesn't stop growing.
**Sheister's Edit**
Top 5 kds make better race choices than warring kds because they understand the game mechanics better. Economy usually wins wars. They typically choose the race with the best econ.
Last edited by Palem; 04-01-2013 at 16:05.
There has always been relatively few quality kingdoms in the game in any era. Never underestimate the the ability of other kingdoms in the top 10 to do something remarkably stupid.
If you want to talk about encouraging growth you have a serious problem as you have to go against 10 years worth of anti growth changes and attitudes from players. Some serious changes would probably be needed to be considered and every indication I've seen is that the people running the game don't have the time/interest in doing such things. It's also worth remembering the game exists in a very different world to those older days just because of changes in technology and the gaming tastes of people.
No sir. You are wrong again. Every time early you wave a top KD with all heavy attackers in tow and KD made to wreck stuff they CF you quickly. I have done it a number of times. They know that dwarves are not going to beat orc heavy attackers when they have no science yet and have no wpa becaus etheir BE bonus has not generated enough off their guilds yet. They don't war until after they are fully pumped and much larger than anyone.
Stop the BS with they choose the best race choices. They make choices to live in the particular environment that they war in.
Case in point, BiO last age, chose the dwarf cleric and similar whoring BS. They got RUINED by ghetto cats and later by monument because what they chose could not stand up to real wars. (though to be more fair, monument rode the ghetto cat's coat tails on that one....AW takes way to long to recover from).
Yes and thats why Mercy got off free wave from Pulse start of this age with their heavy HU/Cleric setup and took a lot of land which placed them at #1,
oh wait they didnt, that happened in someones head.
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