Game Needs More Good kds Competing

[American Badass]

Until someone wins an age topping all charts at once (kingdom not an alliance) we are all nubs

[Lestat]

Thing is the palem "crowning" is as meaningless as anything done in this game. Just because 6-7 kds value being the biggest and its super easy to track them via a chart that doesn't mean its the best thing that can be done in the game. Or that its better to devote 1 month to perfect "randoming," 1 month to bullying smaller kds, and 1 month waring capable kds than it is to war other kds that are seemingly equally as skilled as you. You know socialize make new friends have fun instead of trying to power game 200 other people in at that level what effectively boils down to whose better at math and psychology.

And what u miss is that
"doing better" doesn't mean whoring. I look at say if i want to war say some random no named kd. I can give them a nice advantage say a 15% acre lead couple of people that if played right could turtule, maybe even a flat out feary bank. Its a challenge its fun i get meet new people and do cool things like sold bouncing to get an "edge." However say im gonna war Freeaksytle, i know their good i want every advantage i can have...but do i need to have whored for land and be 130% their size because they made one small mistake week 2 of a 12 week age. No, lets have a real fight on about even terms see what advantages I can overcome, what I cant and what advantages they'll give me and what they wont. It makes for good fights and you get the advantage of not having to FORCE someone to war when they simply wont have the activity to win due to real life issues.

That bought a ****en tear to my eye.

[Elurin]

Palem truly succeeded in trolling the whole forum community into answering this thread and put down a lot of time to read it, well done Palem :D

It's too bad that so many including OP confuses the correct analysis made here (that many kd's isn't pushing themselves to extend and grow as a kd) with the recommendation to grow in nw/land ranks. There is no connection, as Persain for one has rightly understood. Based on the same analysis of the as-is situation, a more correct recommendation would be to ask all kd's to try to continuously improve in a chosen area - this can be to take tougher wars, grow more, dare new setups, war a kd with 2 more provs than themselves requiring different set of strategy, teach complete newcomers and watch them enjoying game... whatever it can be that the individuals in that kd finds increasing the challenge within their game play. Let each kd find their challenge and urge them to improve in what they find fun.

[Korp]

Thing is the palem "crowning" is as meaningless as anything done in this game. Just because 6-7 kds value being the biggest and its super easy to track them via a chart that doesn't mean its the best thing that can be done in the game.

Winning is meaningless? It is the best thing that can be done in the game, you win it. Is winning the world cup in icehockey meaningless? Cause its the same freaking teams in the end game every year?

[Sheister]

Winning is meaningless? It is the best thing that can be done in the game, you win it. Is winning the world cup in icehockey meaningless? Cause its the same freaking teams in the end game every year?

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yes. for the rest of the hocky fans it is.

[Korp]

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yes. for the rest of the hocky fans it is.

I think the rest of they hockeyfans still think winning the world cup isnt meaningless just cause their team didnt win. I think most people still think its a big thing. Cause didnt every team try to win? Why would they try to win something that is meaningless in that case? Point is either way, people are free to do whatever they like but dont talk down on something cause its not your thing. It doesnt become meaningless cause you dont like it.

[KuhaN]

Problem is nobody wants to play for #1, and if they do they just join a top kd. Mostly everybody that plays this game plays it casually (WWs, Honor are casual play, dont care what you think).

Solution: make kds 10 players.

It's a solution that will not happen, but it would fix the problem for sure.

saD.

Edit: Everyone saying #1 land/nw is not the only way to play competitively is wrong btw. Just wanted to throw that out there.

[Elurin]

Winning is meaningless? It is the best thing that can be done in the game, you win it. Is winning the world cup in icehockey meaningless? Cause its the same freaking teams in the end game every year?

This may be true for the 0.001% of the game that has no job and plays utopia instead. Possibly also for people that has a job they find no challenge in as well, so they measure success here. For the rest you should rather regard it as if a top hockeyplayer has a hobby he likely will not try to become best in the world at the hobby as his main focus point and where he puts his energy will always be the hockey. Case in point, Peter Forsberg, the most competitive person I saw in any sport, runs a golf course as a hobby. Look on the documentary SVT made about him, he enjoys playing a good game but laughs it away if he loses. In hockey, which was his real interest, he skated with half the foot gone to win the game. You must keep leisure hobbies and what matters separate.

[Sheister]

meh, you may be right there kuhan. But wars sure to FEEL competitive.

[Korp]

This may be true for the 0.001% of the game that has no job and plays utopia instead. Possibly also for people that has a job they find no challenge in as well, so they measure success here. For the rest you should rather regard it as if a top hockeyplayer has a hobby he likely will not try to become best in the world at the hobby as his main focus point and where he puts his energy will always be the hockey. Case in point, Peter Forsberg, the most competitive person I saw in any sport, runs a golf course as a hobby. Look on the documentary SVT made about him, he enjoys playing a good game but laughs it away if he loses. In hockey, which was his real interest, he skated with half the foot gone to win the game. You must keep leisure hobbies and what matters separate.

So if winning is so meaningless why do you put in a effort into winning every war you have? Seems rather pointless then if its just meaningless. Either way, the point was that you shouldnt consider something meaningless cause you dont share that view. Cause you dont like it doesnt mean it becomes a meaningless win cause who much you try to argue as long there is charts in this game the aim of the game is to win and its the best that win, like in every other competition, sport or whatever the one that finish number one is the best.

[Elurin]

Yea, you're right in that a win is never meaningless. It's a good achievement to win #1 and those kd's deserve an applaud for a job well done. What I disagreed with is the point about #1 in nw being the only win that matters. C.f. my earlier post, if it is someone's goal to win a war at +15% range or whatever Persain used as an example, that's their win. This is the same for every sport and every other competition, there are awards for many different things. Someone just won the world medal in a competition to hit a golfball the longest. The guy barely played golf and had no interest of winning a golf game from what I gathered, he just wanted to be best in the world at hitting that ball as far as possible. Let him :)

[Anri]

I once again would like to mention combined charts since i think that chart dominated all others and there was a good chunk of KDs trying for this chart. Nw, land, honor, wws combined. Im sure both Flutterby and Ezzerland and some others remember this since it was ran by AR and one of the best things AR did for the game. It would be both very good and fun for many KDs if this chart returned in one way or another.

[Sheister]

meh

to me the best part of AR was that kla and abs and zaupers all had 14or fewer kds but were each larger more powerful etc. than TA or HAJ who had 100s of kds.

lol

but I cared about charts back then.

[Spahrep]

Why was the combined chart removed?

[Anri]

Why was the combined chart removed?

Utopia itself did not have this chart.
But they should have it imo.