Yea, you're right in that a win is never meaningless. It's a good achievement to win #1 and those kd's deserve an applaud for a job well done. What I disagreed with is the point about #1 in nw being the only win that matters. C.f. my earlier post, if it is someone's goal to win a war at +15% range or whatever Persain used as an example, that's their win. This is the same for every sport and every other competition, there are awards for many different things. Someone just won the world medal in a competition to hit a golfball the longest. The guy barely played golf and had no interest of winning a golf game from what I gathered, he just wanted to be best in the world at hitting that ball as far as possible. Let him :)