Game Needs More Good kds Competing

[Realest]

Uh oh. You mad son. Hug?

[Lestat]

Yes please

[Hurlin]

id be mad if i would have played 50 ages and not ever won anything.

really why ? its only a free online text based strategy game

[TeddybearSTHLM]

so much hate :o

have a huggle!

[protector]

The problem isn't the mechanics, the problem is the community as it's been on full display throughout all 30 pages of this thread.

Someone, somewhere, at sometime told everybody that if you want to grow you need to NAP everyone, you can't war, and you need perfect activity, among other things.
All these things are false. Warring kds NAP just as much as growth kds. Warring kds might war MORE than Top kds, but if you consider quality wars, it's pretty much a wash. Warring kds usually step up their activity to perfect levels while they're in war. That's really all you need anyway if you don't plan on micromanaging everything and not crown.

Someone also convinced people that acres are meaningless/a burden for warring kds even though 99% of warring kds USE acres as an indicator of who is winning. If you try and war someone and they don't want to war then you farm them out until they either war or it's not a big deal anymore. That's how you profit. Not "Hey you want to war? Nope? Oh well, let's CF (for no reason)"

The game is so divided on these totally make-believe principles it's just super annoying.


Also, I don't need to ACCUSE quality war kds of not trying as it's been confirmed about a 1000x in this thread. When it comes to growth warring kds put little to no (and in some douchey cases, negative) effort into it. Because everyone knows that acres are bad and being in range of ****ty kds that you can stomp on is good.

You don't seem to realize it but you keep bashing war kingdoms who put little effort into growing so they don't have to fight the top.
You're doing the exact opposite which is just as bad if not even worse. The war kingdoms at least get their wars. You just pick a setup that can explore so you can play with the big boys in the top10. Yet again you refuse to war anyone.

And as Elit says, whats the whole point in waving someone who told you in advance, they had no intentions to war you? Unless you want the acres you'd rather focus your energy on a target that might war. And that is also the reason why no-one bothers TFC; you wouldn't war anyone anyway.

[stoffi]

But I do win every age I play. This is a proven fact, time and time again, and not Persain, absalom, nor anybody can really do anything to stop it. It's further cemented by the fact that I am the last b2b crown winner to grace this server. The current state of the game does not provide me with a worthy peer to mobilize and play again.

People like THIS are the reason why Absalom are still in power and other top kds usually only last a few ages. People with big egos can't cooperate and if you give it time, their heads will inflate too much for them to function in this game due to the physical difficulties of walking through doors, holding your head up, and just general headache. Sadly, utopia is filled with people like this. The positive side of it is that alien hunters get a lot of kicks from watching these big-headed people, believing them to be aliens. In fact, all the ufo and alien stuff we hear about on History Channel originates from Realest's predecessor; Chai. He too had a huge head (though his exploded in the end) and was the first "alien" ever to be observed by UFO hunters. True story.


So, it is wrong to blame Absalom. Blame people like Realest instead.

[gergnub]

really why ? its only a free online text based strategy game

its just how the cookie crumbles in some cases.

[Anri]

Pretty sure Realest wasn't running the trollfags when they stalled you. I could certainly be wrong though.

No, Realest was there at all events. But turned inactive in both wars i beleive. For second war i think he activated sitting. He is a weak player overall that lives on past achievements. He could not make a better KD then Troll******s without having others to lead it for him. He is better of staying retired and if by any chance he would come back he should at least make sure to back his talk up so i dont come and smash him to the ground as soon as he tries.

[Lestat]

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sii2d/

[Spahrep]

There are more ad hominem and straw man arguments in this thread than i can count....

Bottom line is the top of the charts is not competative, it should change for the good of the game, be it by player choice or mechanic changing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy

[october]

My language is fine, if it wasn't i wouldn't be using it :/ You guys can say ****.

Oh man, cool ****. Didn't know I could **** in here. I wasted a lot of time reading this thread just now and there is a whole lotta crap (another word for ****) in here. The only good **** in this thread is this fine nugget (eh, maybe yet another word for **** depending on how it is used). Thanks Bishop! I learned some new **** today about the forums. Your post was the only worthwhile one to read of this whole pathetic ****ty thread. Gotta love complainers.

[Bishop]

I live to serve

[octobrev]

I don't often find myself agreeing with Anri but in this case I do. Is anyone else sick of hearing Realest come on these boards claiming to be Michael Jordan? Seriously it is getting old. You talk a lot of **** for someone that wont back it up, the last I heard your kingdom mass deleted because it was getting its arse handed to it. Come back, Build a kingdom in 24hrs or whatever **** you have claimed to do and see if you can crown. If not, **** off and stop acting like a total moron.

You claim to be a damn messiah, come show us then champ. Anri has called you out, if you do not accept his challenge, go back to claiming to be the best. Either way, you have been challenged and I will damn sure bet on the Apes in this one.

EDIT: "Insert reason why Realest won't come back because no-one is as good as him." You call trollfags a success, everyone else called it a farm.

We won last age exactly as Anri requested after he warred the ghetto we were idling in. We can't put on these spectacle kingdoms every single age as it really takes a lot out of us mentally and emotionally. Some of the players at our level even see sports therapists to help manage the stress.

[Persain]

Where as a good top war record might consist of:
Rage
Sanctuary
Beastblood

I dont disagree and if every kd got reset to fight at 40k acres after each war with either any acre distributions they want or everyone at 1k acres those 3 kds would probably be the top 3 "war" kds in the game. But i personally think a few kds i've played against would/could beat them.

And what it boils down to is

Are you honestly going to sit there and argue that beating Cataclysm (#100 on the warring charts) is just as worthy as beating Rage? If you are I'm honestly done arguing with you.

im not gonna argue that.
What i'd argue is alot of people would rather meet new kds, spam the war forums, and try lure a kd like Cataclysm onto IRC to have funny times during wars 1-2-3 while they wait for war kds to tag up. Ie have fun and relax instead of power play and land whore oop. A kd like Wehurt, Vic N Virture or a kd that arrises with 4/4 war wins like "wSk Xmas Party" to is still valid competition. While not maybe as good as sanc a war can be equally challenging if u give those kds enough of an advantage. I remember waring The Legendary Gods, we weren't taged when they waved us and they had a 10 % size advantage. However as they were mostly undeads on 60% draft rate and lowish def we grew something like 40-50% in min time and were able to chain 5 of them from 2000-300 in the opening war wave. was that an "worthy win?" eh, but would i war i war them again, sure, if they thought they could beat us why not let them try again. The last time we asked for war hoping they would try we got turned down because their activity was low Why is making them pay for that a good thing, or letting them war a kd as active as claimed to be a bad thing.

[Palem]

You don't seem to realize it but you keep bashing war kingdoms who put little effort into growing so they don't have to fight the top.
You're doing the exact opposite which is just as bad if not even worse. The war kingdoms at least get their wars. You just pick a setup that can explore so you can play with the big boys in the top10. Yet again you refuse to war anyone.

And as Elit says, whats the whole point in waving someone who told you in advance, they had no intentions to war you? Unless you want the acres you'd rather focus your energy on a target that might war. And that is also the reason why no-one bothers TFC; you wouldn't war anyone anyway.

We wouldn't war anyone? We're happy to war people. Just be prepared for a long hostile. We aren't going to war you until you're weakened to a point that we think we can win. If you wave us we aren't just going to blindly declare and then get stomped by people. That's not playing passively, that's playing stupid and totally ignoring your kds strengths and weaknesses.

What i'd argue is alot of people would rather meet new kds, spam the war forums, and try lure a kd like Cataclysm onto IRC to have funny times during wars 1-2-3 while they wait for war kds to tag up. Ie have fun and relax instead of power play and land whore oop. A kd like Wehurt, Vic N Virture or a kd that arrises with 4/4 war wins like "wSk Xmas Party" to is still valid competition. While not maybe as good as sanc a war can be equally challenging if u give those kds enough of an advantage. I remember waring The Legendary Gods, we weren't taged when they waved us and they had a 10 % size advantage. However as they were mostly undeads on 60% draft rate and lowish def we grew something like 40-50% in min time and were able to chain 5 of them from 2000-300 in the opening war wave. was that an "worthy win?" eh, but would i war i war them again, sure, if they thought they could beat us why not let them try again. The last time we asked for war hoping they would try we got turned down because their activity was low Why is making them pay for that a good thing, or letting them war a kd as active as claimed to be a bad thing.

When you say "Warring kds" you seem to be using that exclusively for the good quality kds. When I say warring kds, I'm using it for every kd that calls themselves a warring kd, which prolly includes 350+ kds. MOST of these kds are not that good. MOST actively avoid good/better kds.
It's not like I'm suggesting that the ghetto kitties don't war anyone tough. Can they improve? Yes. I've also said the growth kds can improve too. Do they have as much room for improvement as say Cataclysm? No.

I have no interest in making war kds NOT be war kds anymore. You want to war great. But stop thinking that you need to avoid growth to do it.