Simians waving into an active hostile

[protector]

How am i lying when i told you why i broke the CF. Cause you talked crap about us non stop and treated us unfair - Thus we broke CF and hit you! What exactly dont you understand and take as a lie?

Since when is breaking a CF because someone swears at you considered to be OK? Is this a new standard?
IMO, if you want some respect I suggest you stop breaking deals in situations that are not OK. The only reason you keep getting dirt thrown at you is because of all the weird/bad/stupid moves you make as a kingdom.

[protector]

can't we all go to IKEA and settle this over some meatballs?

No because horse meat and stuff? :D (not that i care, I eats teh horse meat!)

[protector]

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The way you complain about "a moderator acting like a 15 year old" makes me think you're the same age as the moderator ;)

fyi, the game is hardly dieing when it has had a pretty stable playerbase for quite a while now.

[Anri]

Since when is breaking a CF because someone swears at you considered to be OK? Is this a new standard?
IMO, if you want some respect I suggest you stop breaking deals in situations that are not OK. The only reason you keep getting dirt thrown at you is because of all the weird/bad/stupid moves you make as a kingdom.

It was a flat CF. If they wanted something else they could negotiate for terms that both sides agree on, after HoH conflict, during HoH conflict, after CF break or now.
If they put terms on their CFs all be fine. I break whatever CF i feel like that has no terms or attachements to it. The only guy that was hit down was the one asking for it in public.
I offered acres back for the other hit and a new CF with real terms to be put in place.
Plus, prot, maybe you take all of that trashtalk, flames and bans. We dont. We could have hit this KD at any time we feelt like it after they trading hits with us.

The CF was not broken because some just swears at us. He went on for a long time trashtalking players and our KD and followed thru with bans. Its just not some swearing that was done.
That this happens after CF was made and we were not going to hit them is just laughable.
Cant come and ask for a CF in bad manners, then having me be nice to give it and then continue to talk crap about us.

Like i said, that does not fly with us. Maybe others tolerate it. Thats up to them.
HoH all ready mentioned how they hit into thier side as well during hostile.

We have been nothing but nice to this KD despite us being able to farm them out at any time we feel like.

[protector]

Attacks = fake war bro

Still mad at being caught?

[protector]

It was a flat CF. If they wanted something else they could negotiate for terms that both sides agree on, after HoH conflict, during HoH conflict, after CF break or now.
If they put terms on their CFs all be fine. I break whatever CF i feel like that has no terms or attachements to it. The only guy that was hit down was the one asking for it in public.
I offered acres back for the other hit and a new CF with real terms to be put in place.
Plus, prot, maybe you take all of that trashtalk, flames and bans. We dont. We could have hit this KD at any time we feelt like it after they trading hits with us.

The CF was not broken because some just swears at us. He went on for a long time trashtalking players and our KD and followed thru with bans. Its just not some swearing that was done.
That this happens after CF was made and we were not going to hit them is just laughable.
Cant come and ask for a CF in bad manners, then having me be nice to give it and then continue to talk crap about us.

Like i said, that does not fly with us. Maybe others tolerate it. Thats up to them.
HoH all ready mentioned how they hit into thier side as well during hostile.

We have been nothing but nice to this KD despite us being able to farm them out at any time we feel like.

You think DHaran is the only one trashtalking? I've seen calle do it more than once. I've seen some others do it as well. Trashtalking goes both ways and usually there are 2 sides involved. Having seen some logs, I think there has been 2 sides involved here as well :P

[anti-fun]

You think DHaran is the only one trashtalking? I've seen calle do it more than once. I've seen some others do it as well. Trashtalking goes both ways and usually there are 2 sides involved. Having seen some logs, I think there has been 2 sides involved here as well :P

Prot i suggest you go pm anri for the logs and judge for yourself whether DHaran is "trashtalking"" or to me thats cursing and swearing against a fellow utopian player

[Anri]

You think DHaran is the only one trashtalking? I've seen calle do it more than once. I've seen some others do it as well. Trashtalking goes both ways and usually there are 2 sides involved. Having seen some logs, I think there has been 2 sides involved here as well :P

I am more then sure if me as Leader of Simians would start banning all players i could from abs (if i was sitting in such a position) then tell them all they are dicks and huge farms and behave however i wanted too.
They would break a flat CF and farm us out. You can get banged up for less. Dharan does in no way act like a leader. Its his first time maybe. I dont know. All i know is that there is bounderys that you should not cross and he crossed them more then once. (I been thru this in the past both for how i speak and how we acted ingame). Over 50+ ages you do end up in some skimmy situations. I cant hide that fact.

I express myself like this: Abs is the competition, i dont like most of abs, but i respect my enemy. They are the most well organized and they got the best KDs normaly. Its why we fight them. You for real think i can go to lets say Proteus and misstreat him and his players and i wont suffer for it? Rage had farmed us out long ago if that had been the case. Kill abs!!! =D

Both abs and Simians has some kind of mutual respect for each other at least. Even HoH and Simians. We troll each other pretty hard now and then but we aint taking it to external **** and go around and ban and trashtalk each other 24/7. I know they are a good KD and its mostly for the lol and extra bit of fun to have some place to go when you are bored. And to have someone to fight ofc.

This that happend with Dharan is something entirely different.

I raged on Dorje once or twice also and we suffered the consequences over it as well.

Im not sure what they are trying to start with us. We are not doing anything....

Maybe they need attention or they are bored? They are asking to get hit even now it seems.
We dont want anything to do with them at all. Octobrev and them knew we would drop him and it favoured their KD, then its easy to come here and cry wolf after we did them a favour and what they asked for.

I dont get them at all.

[Anri]

This entire topic is so missleading also. We hit one prov down a bit, a prov that asked for it. We did not wave either for that matter. We just put an order up to hit that prov down for more then 3k acres. After this we did nothing else to them.

It was a chain on one prov that asked for it.

This is way to blown up...

[Sheister]

kind of like your girlfriend?

Anri's GF

btw, that is just meant in fun.. I apologize if that is actually offensive....

[DHaran]

You hit into Simians hostile with HoH, then you come in here crying about them hitting into your hostile. Double standards much? You took advantage of them being preoccupied, then start back paddling when they focus their attention to you. Ocot was the one asking them to take off a few slices, so i dont see the issue tbh :)

Yet another clueless and completely ridiculously inept comment lol. Read the thread, then try again.

And Anri, what does a CF not having duration terms have to do with hitting into a hositle? NOTHING AT ALL, lol. You are so clueless you can't even comprehend what this issue is about. I didn't ask for terms, I didn't need them. I wanted a CF because we were hostile and I wanted you to stop hitting into it. You said "sorry" and "we won't interfere in hostile" and gave a CF. You then broke that CF and hit into my hostile, this makes you a liar, nothing more. There is literally NOTHING you can say to justify such actions, you have no honor, you can't be trusted, and you will never have any success at this game because everyone knows what a lowdown kingdom you run. Why the hell would I want to accept a CF from someone who doesn't honor his word? You have absolutely no common sense, rofl.

And to the nubs talking about trashtalking being reason for breaking a CF, I can only laugh at you. It was Chuck who started in on the trash talk which set me off to begin with. Anri is apologizing to me at the same time Chuck is gloating and talking **** about hitting me. You're damn right I went off on him, he earned it. So Simians players are allowed to talk trash to me, but when I give it back they wanna cry about it, lol.

This entire topic is so missleading also. We hit one prov down a bit, a prov that asked for it. We did not wave either for that matter. We just put an order up to hit that prov down for more then 3k acres. After this we did nothing else to them.

It was a chain on one prov that asked for it.

This is way to blown up...

Oh so anyone can hit into hostile now as long as they only hit one province? What kinda of idiotic logic is that? You make no sense whatsoever lol. Everyone take note, Simians is ok with you hitting into their hostiles and wars, but only if you hit one province (and another one, but only if it was an "accident"). And stop this "octo asked us to" crap, because that was only after you broke the CF and hit him first. You just can't stop lying, it's pathetic!

[Nick_mi]

Anri refuses our reality and inserts his own.

[TitanReborn]

ok, so because someone felt like a situation had changed they rethought their decision, doens;t make them a liar, unless someone makes a profound promise to you you cannot expect them to not change their mind on ANY given decision. We have to remain flexible in life, it is how we evolve and move forwards. This doe snot mean that your way of thinking can change on the simple fact that you feel anri lied dharan.

Is that feeling enough to contradict all reason though? Anri has a reaosn for what simians did, you may nto agree with it or approve but you should be open to that. Being a wall against someone who is trying to be reasonable to you (even if you feel its late) means you'll never get anywhere.

My kingdom often gets invovled in silly arguments that spiral into large kingdom affecting situations, I've been on both sidesa and I've been in many different emotional places each time so i have seen and realised alot about my own and others behaviours.

Anri is showing himself to feel in control and holding the powerful position ingame - this leads to the thinking that people shouldn;t fight unless they are prepared to get taught a lesson for it - other situiations matter less and this becomes the principal issue. I believe anri recognises this and has made every attempt to make a graceful and somewhat humble (until poiunting out repeatedly of what could happena t least) resolution that fits with the way he see's as a bare minimum for situation solution.

dharan feels lied to and his kigndom mistreated and bullied because of the situation they are in. These are justifiable feelings, however for the most part in this game, attackign a bigger kingdom under any circumstances will catch you some swift retributions. I would sugges tyou try your bes tto see the good that anri is trying to show you from their actions, while not the most impressive they are a better display than from msot I have seen, and more controlled than I can often be. If you can find some thigns to feel less bad about maybe you can stop focusing on the thigns winding you up so mcuh about it, you can get a ceasefire, and you can move on.

I guess I don;t really know why I decided to make a post, I'm leaving a tthe end of age and I wish for people to be in a better environment as I se emost gaming communities poisoned by bravado and misjuddgements and grudges.

[DHaran]

So saying something, then doing the exact opposite, is not being a liar? Pretty sure that's the definition of a liar.... I don't "feel" Anri lied, he did lie. There are no ifs, ands or buts about that, it's simple fact. If you state flat out "we won't interfer with hostile", then proceed to interfere with a hostile, you are a liar. How can you even try to logically dispute that? Hitting into hostiles is frowned upon by anyone with any sense of respect in Utopia. Simians has no justification of any kind for any of their actions. Anyone who thinks otherwise is equally delusional.

[goodz]

So saying something, then doing the exact opposite, is not being a liar? Pretty sure that's the definition of a liar.... I don't "feel" Anri lied, he did lie. There are no ifs, ands or buts about that, it's simple fact. If you state flat out "we won't interfer with hostile", then proceed to interfere with a hostile, you are a liar. How can you even try to logically dispute that? Hitting into hostiles is frowned upon by anyone with any sense of respect in Utopia. Simians has no justification of any kind for any of their actions. Anyone who thinks otherwise is equally delusional.

10 pages of trolling.

Anywho it seems if he was asked to hit into your hostile by your KD that is not quite teh same as hitting into your hostile for no reason.