Pew Pew vs Debauchery aka Strippers aka Mystical Maybe

[idiocy]

Seems SWEA has become what they stood up against in previous ages. Power play bullies!

When was SWEA anything but that?

[American Badass]

Why raze kill when you can gain acres from it? Seems more beneficial to me at least.

Because that is not the point of a GB?

SWEA is playing dirtier than the ABs they wanted to fight atm.

[Korp]

Because that is not the point of a GB?

SWEA is playing dirtier than the ABs they wanted to fight atm.

I dont think you know what a gangbang is if you think this would be classified as a gangbang. It looks to me that Debauchery has had plenty of time to solve the issues between them and SWEA and they choose not to and this is the outcome of their behaviour.

[American Badass]

I think this is all just an excuse to justify the events that have taken place. I still personally feel it is dirty play and word from some others kds is they feel the same way bout this.

Lets see if anything happens because of it.

#SWEA

&Korp

Now I see why it is all okin your eyes. So if this is not a GB... what is it?

[Godly]

I've seen so many actions and threats from kds sinking so low this round so nothing else will surprise me at this point. I'd call this round "the dark age" of utopia.

[tetley]

I want to address some stuff that people have said (Farore for example) regarding moral absolutes... basically the contention being that if it was wrong for Strippers to ****play and dealbreak, then what SWEA did (demanding button with threat of hitting into wars and then doing so) was also wrong and they deserve some sort of community punishment for it too.

The problem with this is that Rage (who got dealbroken the original time) and Strippers (who got ****played now) are not in the same situation. There's no moral absolute right or wrong in this case; it's not as clear cut as murder. People normally have the right to freedom (not to be imprisoned) but then when they break the law they go to jail and they don't have the same rights they did before. In this case, since Strippers scummed and dealbroke Rage earlier this age (and got 2 WW's out of it), they don't have the same "rights" that other kingdoms do.

So yes, if Mansoor did this to anyone else, there would probably be a problem. But that's because dealings with Strippers don't require the same moral threshold as do dealings with other kingdoms. They lowered the bar for the way they could anticipate to be treated when they dealbroke. That's how it goes. You treat others unfairly; later, you get treated unfairly and there's not much you can say about it.

If anything, I would say that SWEA is acting poorly towards PewPew more than anyone else in this situation. Arguably, they are stealing acres that Pew^2 would rightfully otherwise obtain through war.

[American Badass]

If SWEA give those acres to Pew Pew after in waves then order will be restored.

[Korp]

I think this is all just an excuse to justify the events that have taken place. I still personally feel it is dirty play and word from some others kds is they feel the same way bout this.

Lets see if anything happens because of it.

#SWEA

&Korp

Now I see why it is all okin your eyes. So if this is not a GB... what is it?

You obviously never experinced a gangbang if you think two kingdoms hitting one kingdom is a gangbang. I also have ~ in few kingdom channels, & in several others.


But, lets put all that aside and you should read JustinSanes wall of text and maybe get some perspective on the matter.

[fuzzy|]

GBs still exist?

[Ghetto_King]

If SWEA give those acres to Pew Pew after in waves then order will be restored.

Agreed but thats like 15k acres. pewpew dont have the balls to demand it. Aabs arent a true alliance either so they wont do dittly. The only ones that would are abs but obviously they arent inolved on this one.

[flogger]

I've seen so many actions and threats from kds sinking so low this round so nothing else will surprise me at this point. I'd call this round "the dark age" of utopia.

You clearly don't think upon the early ages as fondly as I did.

[Lestat]

SWEA had dibs. Strippers accepted a deal of 10K acres for a CF. What's the problem?

[sydex]

Agreed but thats like 15k acres. pewpew dont have the balls to demand it. Aabs arent a true alliance either so they wont do dittly. The only ones that would are abs but obviously they arent inolved on this one.

Why are you so judgmental about other peoples balls?

[Farore]

I want to address some stuff that people have said (Farore for example) regarding moral absolutes... basically the contention being that if it was wrong for Strippers to ****play and dealbreak, then what SWEA did (demanding button with threat of hitting into wars and then doing so) was also wrong and they deserve some sort of community punishment for it too.

The problem with this is that Rage (who got dealbroken the original time) and Strippers (who got ****played now) are not in the same situation. There's no moral absolute right or wrong in this case; it's not as clear cut as murder. People normally have the right to freedom (not to be imprisoned) but then when they break the law they go to jail and they don't have the same rights they did before. In this case, since Strippers scummed and dealbroke Rage earlier this age (and got 2 WW's out of it), they don't have the same "rights" that other kingdoms do.

So yes, if Mansoor did this to anyone else, there would probably be a problem. But that's because dealings with Strippers don't require the same moral threshold as do dealings with other kingdoms. They lowered the bar for the way they could anticipate to be treated when they dealbroke. That's how it goes. You treat others unfairly; later, you get treated unfairly and there's not much you can say about it.

If anything, I would say that SWEA is acting poorly towards PewPew more than anyone else in this situation. Arguably, they are stealing acres that Pew^2 would rightfully otherwise obtain through war.

I don't necessarily agree with what you're saying, because in my opinion if you allow kingdoms to gangbang or deal dishonorably just with people who you decide "deserve it" - especially for that to be the deal for the rest of the age apparently, since a major consensus seems to be SWEA's actions are also punishment for what happened to Rage just like the raze kills were - then you're still encouraging that behavior. Sooner or later other kingdoms will get added to the black list because they'll tick off the wrong kingdom. Then suddenly it's okay to do whatever you want to two kingdoms, then five kingdoms, then seven. It gets out of hand quickly and harder to determine what's honorable play and "by the rules" and what isn't. That goes back to my point of no matter who the victim of a crime is, no matter how lovable or deplorable they are, it's still a crime. And in some cases, other kingdoms get affected as well, in this case Pew Pew who did nothing wrong by most peoples' counts.

BUT. That being said.

I kind of love you now, tetley, for making a logical, well-defended case without insults. + 1 for you ^.^

[Lestat]

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