I'm really sick of these OOH hits.

[Palem]

I'm not complaining over 1 or 2 hostile hits.

I'm complaining over a large amount of hostile hits over the course of the short age thus far and I've had enough. Simple as that.

[Korp]

C'mon you guys can be such sissies complaining over one or two hostile hits like you have never hit into another hostile before. We all get hits. Blame yourselves for being the weaker province or else just man up, suck it up and play the game. Like you said hitting into wars isnt against the rules much less hitting into hostile. Quit whining.

So what you are saying is that they are the weaker prov cause kingdom needs to take advantage of them being in hostile before making a hit? I think it would be imply something totally different.

[pmyraje]

Why should wars be 1v1? There are mechanics in place to allow hits in/out of war.
To answer my own question; because it really sucks when its not. Same applies with hostiles, its just a courtesy thing. Two KDs matched up in NW/Land/Activity agree to war both expecting a solid exciting war. Then hits come in to one or both sides and while 'valid' and not against any rules, it really throws a spanner in the works for one or both KDs and its just unfortunate and can easily impact the outcome of the war.

Also why does everyone assume this hostile was dragging out? We arranged a war after 2 other KDs ran from us, and had a hostile of like 24 hours while they had the button.

People who arrange wars deserve what they get. It's another of those "questionable" practices that isn't "against the rules", but is still a grey area that is basically just a tiny step away from fake wars. If you arrange a war how on earth do you end up in hostile for 24 hours?!! Even wars that happen without being arranged usually get to war faster than that.

As for why wars would be 1 vs 1, where is the game mechanic for alliances? There isn't one, there never has been, they aren't part of the game. Calling in help for your war or razing into someone else's war (since Trad Marches into someone else's war are massively penalised) is simply abusing the mechanics of a kingdom based game. We might as well have 200-province kingdoms and mass war.

People just choose to follow the shady practices that suit them and use the shady practices that don't suit them to excuse their actions.

[pmyraje]

So what you are saying is that they are the weaker prov cause kingdom needs to take advantage of them being in hostile before making a hit? I think it would be imply something totally different.

It takes just 3 hits to give a kingdom ops and spells. That means a large number of kingdoms are regularly subject to those. Are we seriously saying people shouldn't hit them and should mess around getting Snatch News to work out whether that kingdom is receiving ops that are responsible for their fat provinces before making an attack? It's just not realistic. Either hostile has to be made into a proper visible relation and penalised by some amount for hitting into it or people just have to live with it and either go to war faster or don't go hostile in the first place.

[Spahrep]

I'm not a big fan of arranged wars, but so many KDs just run away from waves from KDs in the same NW range, we just got tired of waving runners :\

[Bishop]

People who arrange wars deserve what they get. It's another of those "questionable" practices that isn't "against the rules", but is still a grey area that is basically just a tiny step away from fake wars.

Um, no it isn't?

[Elldallan]

I'm just wondering where the hell all the common courtesy has gone. If you want to go and abuse people who are abusing the hostile tags, then go and confirm that they're really not in a hostile and stay the hell out of my legit ones.

The way I see it the courtesy went away for two reasons.
1. Because faketagging is so incredibly prevalent that the odds are better that it's a faketag than that it isn't.
2. Because intel uses the same finite resource as stealing, and except for SoT's it costs 3% resource and success is nowhere granted.

I've dealt with Abs plenty. They don't screw with me. Not because I'm some big bad boss that's going to ruin their age, but if they mess with me, I mess with them and it very quickly becomes not worth their time.

Agreed, all whoring kd's is on a schedule and as long as you're not a solo prov you have the power to interrupt or delay that schedule which can hurt them a lot in their crown quest.

A polite request to keep your fight 1v1 is all it should take. Apparently it's not and people need a good reminder in why it's not ok to act like a bunch of classes douchebags. It's not a matter of game rules, it's a matter of players respecting one another.

Swift justice is in order.

I think most people hitting into actually active hostiles is being intentionally rude/douchy, they just have better things to do with their stealth than to find out that the tag is just yet another fake tag and you've wasted stealth for no good reason, either make SN a trivially easy 1% op or tie hostile tag to meter in one way or another.

[NitwiT]

I got an idea, why don't you get into war fast, instead of these lame ass prolonged hostiles? Some of these hostiles are a joke, with neither kingdom hitting, as both kingdoms dont wanna give up the button.... grow a pair... give a button... and PUSH THE DAMN THING!!!!

oh look, war mode.... no more outside hits!!! HUZZAHHHHH!!!!

[pmyraje]

Um, no it isn't?

Arranging a war is fake enough. How much more fake do you want to get? "Um, do you want to have a war?" "Oh yeah, but just wait while we get pumped and then we'll each make a few piddling hits to get around the inconvenience of Unfriendly and Hostile statuses and then war so one of us is guaranteed to take war bonuses and we both get a nice 4 days in eowcf protection after it"

[Meep]

I got an idea, why don't you get into war fast, instead of these lame ass prolonged hostiles? Some of these hostiles are a joke, with neither kingdom hitting, as both kingdoms dont wanna give up the button.... grow a pair... give a button... and PUSH THE DAMN THING!!!!

oh look, war mode.... no more outside hits!!! HUZZAHHHHH!!!!

It's not quite so simple.

I wave an average of 3 kingdoms 5-10% bigger than mine for each war that I get.

Every time we're hostile, we eat at least a few hits from kds way bigger than us.

If it's one hit from a kd up at the top I just send them a courteous message asking them to leave us alone while we're hostile and just attack any overgrown attackers of ours after our war. That has never failed to deter additional hits and routinely just gets me a CF from people for free.

Being nice has its perks.

The problem KDs are the ****ty overgrown ghettos that aren't really long term established KDs with good leadership. They don't care about fair play, or have any respect at all. So I usually just ignore them, as sending them a message usually just results in further hits.

Lots of people just say 'oh grow bigger and you won't have those issues' but I like warring a lot every age, and I'm still trying to make sure I've got 20 returning each age, much less 25. The same ****ty ghettos aren't exactly going to line up to war if I grow to their size, and I can't compete with the more established 25 prov KDs until I get a more solid roster and can jump to 25 people.

[Scubes]

Bloody hell.

Palem, you want some cheese with whine?

I'm brand new to the game, and currently play on my phone from out at site. I use a wifi key on my breaks at work, so my time and bandwidth is very valuable. So when I log in, and search for a target. So when I see al elf as fat as he was, I'm gonna hit. Even I don't run a province that low. If I did that, my monarch would ream me, I may be new, but who's the nub?

But when I was ordered to stop hitting in I did. But had I have known you were gonna be such a whinging little ***** over a few hits, I would have ignored the order and hit again.

Swift justice is coming? Damn right it is. Prepare your anus

[Palem]

I got an idea, why don't you get into war fast, instead of these lame ass prolonged hostiles? Some of these hostiles are a joke, with neither kingdom hitting, as both kingdoms dont wanna give up the button.... grow a pair... give a button... and PUSH THE DAMN THING!!!!

oh look, war mode.... no more outside hits!!! HUZZAHHHHH!!!!

We gave the button immediately to a kd that was bigger and better pumped. I'm not sure what more you can ask of us.

I may be new, but who's the nub?

Erm...

But had I have known you were gonna be such a whinging little ***** over a few hits, I would have ignored the order and hit again.

You are for admitting you would ignore orders because someone said something on the forums that you didn't agree with.


But that aside, are you guys honestly retarded and can't follow basic lines on a Kd page?
April 16 of YR5 Ten Thousand Fists (x:x) invaded Love Story - Taylor Swift (x:x) and captured 156 acres of land.
April 16 of YR5 Ten Thousand Fists (x:x) invaded Love Story - Taylor Swift (x:x) and captured 113 acres of land.
April 20 of YR5 Voices (x:x) invaded fade away and radiate-blondie (x:x) and captured 109 acres of land.

Love Story = Undead
fade away and radiate = Undead

You guys didn't hit an elf. Stop saying you hit an elf. It makes you look like absolute idiots who can't understand basic things in the game which has been made incredibly apparent here by your absolute lack of tact, manners, and basic courtesy to your fellow utopians.

This revenge shall be sweet indeed.

[tetley]

is "swift justice" an intentional double entendre? :O

[Palem]

Indeed it is.
Edit:
Actually, no it isn't. It has one meaning :p

[Lestat]

I like angry Palem.

That's his secret. He's always angry.

It's easy to say that arranging wars is bad, but it will generally just be people who no one would ever hit into their hostile saying it. I don't tag hostile for these reasons also, I feel it invites hits. In saying that we got massacred waved in our last hostile so IMO if you are going to wave a KD get a SN. If a KD is tagged hostile get a SN. I wouldn't expect everyone to get a SN for every random hit tho.