Is PewPew vs SWEA fake war?

[AnacreonOriginal]

It was pewpew's intended use of war mechanic. Like i said in the other thread, any system that requires policing is a BAD system.

EXACTLY; Players shall be able to play within the scope of the war mechanics. Policing rules on-top of the mechanics will always lead to more or less biased decisions.
IMHO

[skraz]

its a fake war, pre arranged as proven by simians admitting to the approach by swea and pewpew. deliberate farming.

[fuzzy|]

EXACTLY; Players shall be able to play within the scope of the war mechanics. Policing rules on-top of the mechanics will always lead to more or less biased decisions.
IMHO

whos making biased decisions? game mods / devs dont play in either team involved (PewPew, AMA and SWEA). War Mechanics were not intended to hide and give protection - its there so 2 teams can war each other with some sort of protection from OOW interference.

[siewpau]

It was pewpew's intended use of war mechanic. Like i said in the other thread, any system that requires policing is a BAD system.

Very good point, anything that requires policing is very subjective - but understandably cannot be avoid.

Pew has every right to retal AMA for hitting into the war, thus screwing over the war. Like I said, AMA did not help the cause to suspend Pew and SWEA for fakewarring. Kick them out of war IMO, let Pew settle the score with AMA.

Although, by every angles, this seem a fake war, there still needs to be proof, and not just based on opinions. The fact that AMA hit into the war can always be used as a justification as to why they decided screw the war (since they will lose anyway with outside interference) and hit AMA. I would rather screw the KD that interfere with my war and let the warring KD win if it was me.

Pew retal was made before war declared, douche move, but Pew had every right to do it, the same way AMA had every right to hit Pew. The following hits outside of war was made after the hits into the war, douche move but AMA had every right to do it, similarly, Pew had every right to retal the hits since it interfere with their war.

I am against fake war but when you give reasons for people to justify their inactivity in war (thus fake-war), then I dont see how the KD should be suspended.

[Soul_Hunter]

If pew has the right to retal, and that was not a fake war, why give the button to SWEA? And from all the situations when a kd was hit oow why this is the only one when the kd being hit hits back oow not in war?

[siewpau]

If pew has the right to retal, and that was not a fake war, why give the button to SWEA? And from all the situations when a kd was hit oow why this is the only one when the kd being hit hits back oow not in war?

Again, I am not saying its not a fake war. I definitely think its a fake war. The thing is AMA shouldnt have given Pew the chance to justify hitting out of war.

AMA waved Pew, they retal (and suicided) and then they got to a war (up to this point I dont see anything wrong, even how obvious it is stupid for them to suicide before entering a war, thats just a stupid move and we all know Pew's strategy, but again, since its so subjective, they can just claim it is just a stupid move). Ending it there would have been the best - then let admin take action on the fake war issue.

To answer your question, if you interfere in my war, and I am going to lose either way (whether to you or to the warring KD) and I have bad blood with you, I would definitely take retalling you as my primary aim.

I honestly dont think anyone is that silly to think it is a real war, but AMA giving Pew ways to justify their OOW hits just doesnt help the admin. We can all perceive it that way (and admittedly enforce the rule based on this majority perception) but actions should be based on proof. U hit them in their war, they hit u back out of war, that is and will be their justification and its hard not to say that thats a valid argument.

EDIT: Just to add, we can all say we know what their intentions are and read what they are doing, but thats a slippery slope isnt it? Punishment based on I 'know' what ur thinking is subjective. I just think AMA could have just accepted this very sly tactical move and farm another KD if they had strongly believe that this is a fake war and trust the admin to act on it.

[blackhordez62]

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[John Snowstorm]

Nobody enters a real war by suiciding both banks with +4 and WS on another kingdom after having given button.

Anyone arguing this case is clearly mentally deficient.

[StratOcastle]

Doesn't matter JSS, no offense. What PewPew did is legal and justified by the rules and by morality. What you're asking for is leverage outside the rules and is morally inept on AMA as well. The justification that you use is based in bullying which is legal but not moral. You're campaign to have this tactic deemed rule breaking has no foundation. I'd offer an analogy but I gather you're ahead on IQ. Smart doesn't make right my friend.
- It's a matter of record AMA, the biggest of the biggest kingdoms hit in war, and got hit back. PewPew is essentially fighting two guys at the same time. Thus far SWEA has been your diplo partner if Simians is an indicator. Simply put, your arguments are power play with no substance. I respect you, but right is right.

[Bishop]

What PewPew did is legal

You don't decide this.

[glee87]

please share on what ground this is not legal, and what rules is/was beeing broken when this is decided mr Bishop

[dell]

Playing dirty and playing against the rules is different things. PLaying dirty gives u players hate and playing against the rule well .. i cant say it better "You don't decide this" Bishop

[Bishop]

please share on what ground this is not legal, and what rules is/was beeing broken when this is decided mr Bishop

Ezzerland already posted it - spirit of the game rule.

[Winslow]

Ezzerland already posted it - spirit of the game rule.

Really Bishop?

Thought the spirit of the game rule was allready gone ages ago :S

But what does SWEA has to do with it....they simply got button handed and pressed it....Surely a thing other kd's would do aswel.
that PEW PEW fights outside there war is there problem...and if you think thats against the spirit of the game....you should punish them for it!!!

[Winslow]

So lets say a kd hits my kd with a few suicide hits and we declare...and than that kd goes hitting a other kd outside of the war....is my kd responsible for those actions?
because we took acres?

Last age...Rage had an incident aswel with PEW PEW they resetted there whole kd....an option thats ofc implemented in the game...and totally in the spirit
of the game :S

Why not make that option of resetting a prov only when its dead and not during the age...life with what you have picked at start of age.

Surely its not the money for the creds Bishop said because they hardly earn anything with it...since normally no one does that.

For me that tactic is simply dodging a war...wich they knew they where going to loose...but because simply the game devs give this option to reset your provs at all times during the age...is really in game spirit....i call it flaw myself.