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    Mike^^ I know you love us but man go freakin enjoy your vacation bro !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parth View Post
    Well, thread just got a cause, Fratzia did full wave into our war. Great stuff.
    You cheaters deserve it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parth View Post
    TBH Im not really sure whats going on anymore. Proteus-moron starts a thread about ED vs Fratzia, which is a conflict that never happened, little later Elit comes in and asks us to keep it civil. I feel very civilized - apart from a drunk silverfox commenting on proteus grammar or something, we havent said a thing and we're not fighting fratzia atm either.
    Before leaving this irrelevant thread, Ill share some logs.

    Session Start: Wed Nov 13 14:42:14 2013
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    [14:51] <coss> as I said
    [14:51] <coss> u're not on our short plan
    [14:51] <coss> that's what I can guarantee you
    [14:51] <coss> we have better targets
    [14:51] <coss> no point in going after a kd we can;t gain from
    [14:52] <Parthenogenesis> So let me have an extension. Just add a week on the notice, and I will have the guarantee.
    [14:53] <Parthenogenesis> 1 week from now + 48 hr notice
    [14:53] <coss> i'll have to speak it with hesus
    [14:53] <coss> can I ingame you within a few hours?

    As I recieved no ingame, I went looking for him on irc:

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    Can always count on Fratzia.
    I guess you were too slow.. ;)

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    U can say thanks for shrinking you and not let pyros farm u as hell later

    We noticed u, u choose to run, we choose not to let you be farmed by others...simple as that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciupi View Post
    U can say thanks for shrinking you and not let pyros farm u as hell later

    We noticed u, u choose to run, we choose not to let you be farmed by others...simple as that!
    Can any one from Fratzia leaders contact me irc?
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    I just got a Deja Vu feeling

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    I am on my way to the airport, going back home. Try hesus ...i doubt coss is on utonet

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    i just feel a bit sorry for pyromaniacs - they just wanted to war some i guess and now with the outside interfearance their efforts will mean much less for them as they wont have been able to test their fighting skill 1vs1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carsten View Post
    i just feel a bit sorry for pyromaniacs - they just wanted to war some i guess and now with the outside interfearance their efforts will mean much less for them as they wont have been able to test their fighting skill 1vs1.
    Don't feel bad for them, they have his share guilty for it too. All involved sides loss from it and none win.
    Game is really lame now. I don't know why ED need to run in "run war n3" from use diplo and offer land for CF. Do you think its was fair for us when ED run in 2 wars with pew pew and grow his cow 5k land? All this need to stop and all my blame is on Devs and Bishops. If you punished proper last age Pew Pew and SWEA we wont have its escalate this age.
    System need serious change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proteus View Post
    for n00bs like Korp, there is a difference between FW according to "technical" definition of the game as how bishop & devs look at it (de jure FW) and there is something called de facto FW, that while it doesn't trigger punishment by the devs it is still not "in the spirit" of the game. When two people organiea war with the intention of dodging two kingdoms who are more prepared and will win and agree to not touch certain provs verbally, for the dev's purposes the war is real because hits are being made and people are trying but for the rest of the game itsface asgame mechanics areb eing abused to where both kds come in and exit at same size,generate honour, and grow bigs all while receiving full protection from those going after them. Not hard to set something up like this...this is for those who read it rahter than korp since he is going to come back with some comment out of his ass that i don't care about as he is a professional troll.
    Well if there was an actual agreement not to touch prov X or not do Y then it'd be a fw according to bishop and the devs but since most ppl are smart enough to not leave incriminating messages ingame and patterns could be random then nothing will be acted on since it's only circumstantial at that point.

    Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with people arranging wars for dodging as long as there ain't any "don't do Z deals".
    But if it's just a "lets war each other instead of warring huge kd X" that's completely fine. But "huge kd X" has absolutely no obligation to accept the dodge and can/should just simply wave right into that war. If "huge kd X" does it enough times then people will realize that it's not an effective way to dodge and will stop doing it because it doesn't work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Parth View Post
    Well, thread just got a cause, Fratzia did full wave into our war. Great stuff.
    Fratzia has no obligation to accept your dodge attempt. I'm kind of surprised that this hasn't happened before and that AMA apparently accepted the crap you pulled twice with PewPew.
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    Back in the old days top kds used fws extensively to avoid impossible wars.
    But people respected fw, hitting into them was considered as a ve lame move.

    Now fratzia hits into a war where both parties are attacking. They even waited for ED tto send out against pyro so they could doubletap.

    ED explored 18k acres 48h earlier. Their big provs was 40% draft.
    Fratzia had been pumping for weeks, had 1 billiob gc stored and 218nwpa humans.
    Pyro came from a pump and had similar provs as ED. That conflict was fair.

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    It would have been almost perfectly fair, some advantage on ed side, but the warring competence and leadership skills on pyro side should help even it out. Would also have been quite to observe this war unfold since it is two quite similar kds with very similar history, in terms of whoring focus vs war focus.
    Hopefully, the wave from Fratzia won't do too much harm, and we can still have something to entertain us.

    Also, shame on fratzia for having this absurd self-entitlement and thinking ED owes you something. Quite obnoxius attitude there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zmasternr1 View Post
    Back in the old days top kds used fws extensively to avoid impossible wars.
    But people respected fw, hitting into them was considered as a ve lame move.

    Now fratzia hits into a war where both parties are attacking. They even waited for ED tto send out against pyro so they could doubletap.

    ED explored 18k acres 48h earlier. Their big provs was 40% draft.
    Fratzia had been pumping for weeks, had 1 billiob gc stored and 218nwpa humans.
    Pyro came from a pump and had similar provs as ED. That conflict was fair.
    So, basically, if a conflict is unfair/unbalanced, you have a right to do whatever you like? Even then, your war vs. pyro isn't fair at all. You had a sizeable acre advantage along with a 25k acre province. UNFAIR

    In the past, FW didn't have such nice benefits. People didn't consider it "lame" because it was actually lame (that's open to debate considering you ran from a conflict, which is also "lame"), but because they could always wait until the other KD that ran was out of war. I doubt you'd see the same sort of culture if the same system were in place; the KD "respecting" fw would have nothing to gain from it.

    This game is anything but a gentleman's game, and all this ethics BS people argue is usually for when the situation suits them. Whoever is calling this move "lame" will eventually do the same thing in retaliation, or to someone else who runs, and at that point, the people calling this move fair game will whine and complain, as usual. HYPOCRISY FOR ALL

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    So how does that suddenly give fratzia the right to farm acres from oow.
    They haven't done **** this age to somehow "deserve it". Only thing they did was convince parth they wouldn't go after us. Made themselves uncontactable and gave notice when we explored

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