Fratzia vs ED

[skuimso]

The massive difference in pump and and readiness between Ed and Fratzia was much larger than the difference between ED and Pyro. Ed went the option that had highest chance for success, without hitting into a conflict or farming someone unable to defend. It is as Nightmare said, the ethics people spout, is only thrown out whenever it suits them. Fact of the matter is, ed vs pyro could have been super fun to watch. And it seems strange for fratzia to complain about losing out on a war target. Having had 1 war so far, they clearly are the largest cowards in the top.

[Nightmare_]

So how does that suddenly give fratzia the right to farm acres from oow.
They haven't done **** this age to somehow "deserve it". Only thing they did was convince parth they wouldn't go after us. Made themselves uncontactable and gave notice when we explored

They have the right to do whatever they want, and so do you. Now that they've hit into your war, you have the right to do whatever you like in response (naturally). I'm mostly commenting on the fact that players appeal to ethics when it suits them. I'm willing to bet that if you do the same to Fratzia in their next war, they'll be crying too, regardless of whether or not they've done it to you. :P

[silverfox]

Since when did sending notice to someone = guaranteed war?

Fratzia are butthurt that they thought they'd farm ED so served notice, but ED found another war and essentially outplayed Fratzia. People can call it running or whatever they like, simple fact is ED didn't have an agreement with Fratzia that once notice was served then both KDs would war after 48 hours.

[Nightmare_]

Since when did sending notice to someone = guaranteed war?

Fratzia are butthurt that they thought they'd farm ED so served notice, but ED found another war and essentially outplayed Fratzia. People can call it running or whatever they like, simple fact is ED didn't have an agreement with Fratzia that once notice was served then both KDs would war after 48 hours.

By the same token, Fratzia essentially outplayed you by rejecting your notion of being protected by war. Simple fact is, Fratzia didn't have an agreement with ED which stipulated that once ED found another war that Fratzia couldn't hit into it.

See where that logic fails? I mean, you're not obligated to war them, or give them free wave, but they're not obligated to respect your war with Pyro either.

[ofgortens]

-1 to Fratzia for pulling this hitting into war move. From my understanding it looks like a pretty fair war for both ED and pyro with the terms that were worked out. Looks like the awesome play in the top continued from last age. Can't wait to see what other wars are getting into to fulfill people's appetites and self proclaimed acres.

[Elldallan]

Back in the old days top kds used fws extensively to avoid impossible wars.
But people respected fw, hitting into them was considered as a ve lame move.

Now fratzia hits into a war where both parties are attacking. They even waited for ED tto send out against pyro so they could doubletap.

ED explored 18k acres 48h earlier. Their big provs was 40% draft.
Fratzia had been pumping for weeks, had 1 billiob gc stored and 218nwpa humans.
Pyro came from a pump and had similar provs as ED. That conflict was fair.

Lets see here, Fratzia notices ED, ED explores 18k acres and goes to war with 3rd party... Yeah I would have hit into that war if I was in Fratzia's place as well.

In the past the 75% protection was instant if I remember correctly so there was little to no benefit to hit into war, now you will have decent gains for 12 hours or so while your opponent has a limited ability to retaliate

Since when did sending notice to someone = guaranteed war?

It doesn't but look at how other top kingdoms handled it previously, when AMA noticed Rage Rage didn't run to FW, they forked over a number of acres and accepted an EoA cf which was a huge sacrifice for them(since their build was really strong for late age warring). This is how they typically handle this situation and how they expect it to be handled, if you break protocol you're liable to be sniped. Typically when a topkd trains up they do it for a reason and they expend significant time and resources to do it and expect to get something for their investment, so they're liable to make sure that they get that investment regardless of what you want/do.

[Elit]

What did ED was lame for run from Fratizia. This is 3 times in raw they are doing run from another kd. Its worked first 2 times because AMA decide to not hit them. This time its not worked and Fratzia decide to hit.
For example when ED told AMA they are coming for us we didn't run.
For example when Havoc notice Fratzia they didn't run and war with 0% chance for win but manage it very well.
For example when BB told Havoc they are going round 2 Havoc Didn't run too.

Its only Pew Pew and ED run from wars and farm out but refuse to set it proper. All this lame play need to stop.

[carsten]

you can call me old and sentimental - but hitting into active wars was one of the very few things ppl agreed was a no go - I dont know when that changed ( and personally i think it is bad for the game in the long run ).

If fratzia wanted EDs Acres they could very well wait till war was over and engage then - I dont see the problem there really. Its not like Ed will be more prepared after 4 days of EOWCF and a tough war than Fratzia sitting in the open and pumping.

[Pillz]

What did ED was lame for run from Fratizia. This is 3 times in raw they are doing run from another kd. Its worked first 2 times because AMA decide to not hit them. This time its not worked and Fratzia decide to hit.
For example when ED told AMA they are coming for us we didn't run.
For example when Havoc notice Fratzia they didn't run and war with 0% chance for win but manage it very well.
For example when BB told Havoc they are going round 2 Havoc Didn't run too.

Its only Pew Pew and ED run from wars and farm out but refuse to set it proper. All this lame play need to stop.

You make it sound like a kingdom is obligated to fight when noticed? When has this ever been the case? Kingdoms used to run to fake war to avoid waves after notice all the time. A notice is not an agreement to war, it is just a warning that your CF is no longer valid and hits are probably incoming. If Kingdom A finds a war before Kingdom B hits them, whether it is running or not, it is still a legit war.

I can't believe that people are actually supporting Fratzia's direct hits into a legitimate war they have no part in. Though I suppose it doesn't come as a surprise from Elit, who doesn't seem to care about fair play.

[zmasternr1]

Fratzia played like cowards and lied about their goals. Persuaded parth they weren't going for ED then served notice when ED used pool. Then got butthurt when ED found another war and decided to oow farm their way to the top.

How people support this fascinates me as well

[Nightmare_]

I can't believe that people are actually supporting Fratzia's direct hits into a legitimate war they have no part in. Though I suppose it doesn't come as a surprise from Elit, who doesn't seem to care about fair play.

I support that people have the free will to respond however they deem fit. I do, however, have a problem with the expectation that people have to play according to how other people want them to. That applies both ways - for people "running" into another war and expecting other people to respect that, and for people hitting into war because of "running" and expecting other people to respect that. Play how you want, but accept the consequences and stop crying about it

[zmasternr1]

First hours of war you can hit into it for close to full gains. If this is the way to play nowadays you can have three top kds. Kd 1 and 2 enter war and kd 3 farm them for 2 days pushing ahead and winning. Since kd 1 ran from kd3 lol.

Seriously i hope fratzia get punished for this kind of ****. Preferably some gb action going

[Elit]

you can call me old and sentimental - but hitting into active wars was one of the very few things ppl agreed was a no go - I dont know when that changed ( and personally i think it is bad for the game in the long run ).

If fratzia wanted EDs Acres they could very well wait till war was over and engage then - I dont see the problem there really. Its not like Ed will be more prepared after 4 days of EOWCF and a tough war than Fratzia sitting in the open and pumping.

Yes i agree hit in war is very bad and its need to be avoid but there is exceptions and every kd make his personal choice for hit or not. Last age and this age some kds bring insane lame play and put you in really hard choice.

We didn't hit Ed in his war 1 and 2 with pew pew. Result is they grow his cow over 5-6k acres. How its fair to us? Its make very hard to down it after ED run in 2 arranged wars. There wont be any chance for ED prevent his cow going down if they didunt run in 2 wars. So We hold till war end but don't worked for us.

You make it sound like a kingdom is obligated to fight when noticed? When has this ever been the case? Kingdoms used to run to fake war to avoid waves after notice all the time. A notice is not an agreement to war, it is just a warning that your CF is no longer valid and hits are probably incoming. If Kingdom A finds a war before Kingdom B hits them, whether it is running or not, it is still a legit war.

I can't believe that people are actually supporting Fratzia's direct hits into a legitimate war they have no part in. Though I suppose it doesn't come as a surprise from Elit, who doesn't seem to care about fair play.

Fake wars is forbidden now. You are expect People to play moral and don't hit you in war when you don't play moral and run in "legit war". This is risk move, some time can work some time wont.
Yes i care about fair play and its why this piss me off so much. If KDs like ED and Pew Pew learn to play proper there wont be this ****s.
Trade land for CF before go next active relation.

[padrez]

oh come on, hitting in war is lame-ish no matter how u spin it. seriously.

[coss]

I will not start to argue around here about a lot of stuff and just tell our part of the story cause some people seem to know better than us how it goes.

1. When I told parth they were not in our plan, they were not. What they do? They explore like mad and get them self as our plan. We have other targets if we wanted but why to let others farm their land? You can't just go out there and double explore 5-6 guys and then donate that land to w/e you wish to do in exchange for cow acres cause that's what they now do. They exchange land on core for cow acres. That's what they did last 2 wars with pewpew. If hitting into a war is so bad what they do is even worse in my opinion and needs to stop. I don't have a huge tolerance for idiots and usually don;t really care what others say or believe about our actions as a KD. I already told Elit, I have no problem if 2-3 kds come and raze the acres we took from ED so we don;t look like playing unfair VS rest of top kds and took acres from a kd that doesn't fight back BUT that has to come together with the same kds agreeing that this has to STOP and that playing has to be normal and natural and these that do stuff like pewpew and ED by pushing the rules to where they suit them have to be punished by all rest and eventually by the admins. We didn't wave ED for acres but we waved them for all the ****play both them and pewpew did lately and apparently pyro likes to trade things as well and they'll pay for it one way or another, sooner and later.

In conclusion, not to get this to long, We have no problem if other kds want to agree with us to take off our acres as long as they agree to gang bang ED's cow to sh!t cause that's why they keep doing what they do. They did it with AMA and now they do it with us and if they don;t get punished it will start to be a new trend. You can't handle an enemy? give him some compensation for being noob and unable to compete or go play with the noobs as pyro did and thinks so high as them self as they feel the right to farm easy acres in exchange to cow acres ... so much of a warring kd ... they are allowed to grow and first thing they do ... go and make deals with benefits. nono ... ain;t the way to go ... but you're getting out of that war and you'll understand what real top wars are and next age will war these small ghettos and feed your ego again.

Waiting for all rest not involved kds opinion to step to next level. Speak now and act or shut up and show that you agree to be ****played by some noobs every darn age.