A Resolution: On Ethics and Top Play

[Elit]

You do know that farming intentionally was done in previous ages and abs didnt threaten kds because they farmed right? My kd sanc was denied crown when simians triple noticed.But we didnt throw flamefeast because of it.We just let it go.So what makes u think currently the kds which were formerly abs would force deal on someone? But anyways i was just saying whichever alliance is stronger will dictate flow of action.I am not against it.

Its was result from ABS bad diplo with Simians. You pushed them so hard and they farmed out. KD got acres was one from your ally kds and you can easy solve it in your ally private channel.

[MegasX]

Elit we didnt do bad diplomacy,neither did we provoke them in noticing us.Simians did it themselves,with intention to slow down whole top.They made us train up,waste resources,then farmed out.they ducked into a farm war after notice expired.

[Elldallan]

You are worthless.
Your kingdom is worthless.

I sincerely hope that everybody realizes what has happened this age.

As I shall soon demonstrate none of this is anything new.

1) An agreement for CF/NAP is not valid until exact terms are agreed upon.

It's always been that way, this is nothing new, I can point to several similar events, at least one including Rage. So yeah, nothing to see here move along.

2) Kingdoms may not renegiotiate the terms of their CFs and NAPs unless they obtain prior approval from the domineering alliance of the age. Current that is the unnamed alliance consisting of AMA, BB, and EJ.

This was already established last age when AMA hit into PewPew vs Debauchery, nothing to see here move along.

3) It is not OK to find a conflict after being noticed. Even if you have no intention of fighting the KD giving notice.

That's just a subsection of the previously established rule that Havoc established a few ages ago that it's ok to hit into a conflict if you noticed. And it was reconfirmed again last age by SWE A when they hit into PewPew vs I forgot who.Nothing new here, move along

4) It it not OK to go to war without prior approve of the domineering alliance of the age. Currently that is the unnamed alliance consisting of AMA, BB, and EJ.

See #2 and #3, it's already an established precedent, move along.

5) When threatened by said kingdoms, the correct course of action is to either intra-raze or promise to let them win.

Thats just an addendum to the previously established precedent that when threatened by the domineering alliance(in that case Abs) farmout or resetting is the correct action. Which in itself is merely adding a third option "Get creative" to a previously established precedent that when threatened by an alliance either submit or get gb'ed. Exception: if you have an alliance of your own, start an alliance war. Nothing new to see here, move along.

6) It is OK to hit into an active war.

Merely the logical extension of the precedent that it's ok to hit into an active conflict set by Havoc, also see #2, #3, #4 so merely a variation of something already established

7) Arranged wars are fake wars.

That's just a variation of a precedent set by Bishop that certain arranged wars are indeed fake wars, nothing new here move along.

Also, as a previous member of Abs, gg hypocrite, your alliance already established a lot of the points you tried to make.

[Palem]

Can anyone explain to me how this deal is unfair to RBL?

They had 0% chance to crown this age. They're sitting on no science. Once their CF's expired it would have been farmville (and I say that with all due respect to Drixx+RBL)
Likewise, RBL isn't being punished for having the dice roll their way, which was the biggest issue with RBL coming to an agreement. They get to keep everything they earned.


So it's not fair because...?

[Pillz]

As I shall soon demonstrate none of this is anything new.

It's always been that way, this is nothing new, I can point to several similar events, at least one including Rage. So yeah, nothing to see here move along.

This was already established last age when AMA hit into PewPew vs Debauchery, nothing to see here move along.

That's just a subsection of the previously established rule that Havoc established a few ages ago that it's ok to hit into a conflict if you noticed. And it was reconfirmed again last age by SWE A when they hit into PewPew vs I forgot who.Nothing new here, move along
See #2 and #3, it's already an established precedent, move along.

Thats just an addendum to the previously established precedent that when threatened by the domineering alliance(in that case Abs) farmout or resetting is the correct action. Which in itself is merely adding a third option "Get creative" to a previously established precedent that when threatened by an alliance either submit or get gb'ed. Exception: if you have an alliance of your own, start an alliance war. Nothing new to see here, move along.
Merely the logical extension of the precedent that it's ok to hit into an active conflict set by Havoc, also see #2, #3, #4 so merely a variation of something already established

That's just a variation of a precedent set by Bishop that certain arranged wars are indeed fake wars, nothing new here move along.

Also, as a previous member of Abs, gg hypocrite, your alliance already established a lot of the points you tried to make.

I've never been a member of Abs, nor have I been allied with Abs in the past.
While the case can be made that all of these things have occurred in the past, it has never been the case that an alliance, Absalom for example, dictates the terms of NAPs between other kingdoms or decided what was or was not a valid hostile. Nor do I recall Absalom threatening to GB a kingdom they have CFs with unless they roll over and die.

[Realest]

hey wtf flogger, i never farmed!

[StratOcastle]

Off topic, but Palem is 2 different people. - And still off topic; can guys tag for crying out loud? I'm too lazy to keep notes on coordinates. - On topic. You guys do whatever makes you comfortable instead of all this discomfort.

[Dexington]

Off topic, but Palem is 2 different people. - And still off topic; can guys tag for crying out loud? I'm too lazy to keep notes on coordinates. - On topic. You guys do whatever makes you comfortable instead of all this discomfort.

Only HoH isn't tagged??? Granted Fratzia has notice up still but we were tagged all age.

[Elldallan]

I've never been a member of Abs, nor have I been allied with Abs in the past.

Sorry about that then, I got the impression that you are in RBL and have been for several ages which would have meant you were in Rage which where Abs until Abs disbanded.

While the case can be made that all of these things have occurred in the past, it has never been the case that an alliance, Absalom for example, dictates the terms of NAPs between other kingdoms or decided what was or was not a valid hostile. Nor do I recall Absalom threatening to GB a kingdom they have CFs with unless they roll over and die.

Abs decided that AMA vs Sanct round2 wasn't a valid hostile and Havoc proceeded to hit into that hostile because they didn't stand a chance to win in a fair fight.
Abs threatened AMA with gb if they accepted a farmout from PewPew, so if they had it would have been the exact same situation as this, so yes they did.
Abs also threatened to Gb Dreams unless they kicked about half the kingdom and did in fact proceed to gb Dreams for refusing, so yes they've threatened to gb kingdoms unless they keeled over and died.

So yes Abs has done most if not all of those things, sorry if I wrongly accused you of being Abs but that was the impression I got of you.

[Proteus]

You do know that farming intentionally was done in previous ages and abs didnt threaten kds because they farmed right? My kd sanc was denied crown when simians triple noticed.But we didnt throw flamefeast because of it.We just let it go.So what makes u think currently the kds which were formerly abs would force deal on someone? But anyways i was just saying whichever alliance is stronger will dictate flow of action.I am not against it.

Sorry megas you weren't denied crown that age, rage was. You were #3 and rage had huge lead over you after beating all aabs kds one by one.

[Bourreau]

"Abs threatened AMA with gb if they accepted a farmout from PewPew, so if they had it would have been the exact same situation as this, so yes they did."

There is a difference between two kingdoms agreeing one of them farmout to the other and the current situation. You are smart enough to understand this.

"Abs also threatened to Gb Dreams unless they kicked about half the kingdom and did in fact proceed to gb Dreams for refusing, so yes they've threatened to gb kingdoms unless they keeled over and died."

Those people declared an alliance war on Absalom , then after a few weeks, they deleted and quit the game. No surrender, no deal was worked out, you really think they would be allowed to form a new kingdom and come back without consequences?

[Soul_Hunter]

Pewpew farmed out to SWEA and gave them the crown, then they do the same and farmout to RBL. And what ppl get from it is that it's all AMA fault. So tell me about consequences and threatening with GB for a reason. Also it is f*cking ridiculous. People blamed Elit for threatening RBL, now RBL get to keep what they want and it is still his fault. If I was him I wouldn't have bothered to do diplo for 3 straight days with 8 kds just to avoid GB. It seems that some people will always hate no matter what happens.

[Anri]

This was some of the weakest **** i have ever seen in the top and all of the KDs included here is so lame that i dont even have words for it.

All i can say is that i am very glad we choose to stay out of t10 this age.

This kind of thing sickens me, i feel like puking. Not sure who is worst, Rage for bending over and playing the honorable card or the other side.

I think the most fitting word i can find for this is P A T H E T I C

[tetley]

What would you have preferred happen anri ??

[Soul_Hunter]

He's just trolling don't mind him :).