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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurking Ghost View Post
    What you should be advocating is that the game changes into more competitivness where CFs are less rewarding. As it is today it's all about who gets the most CF and make them expire by a reason or just prefectly in time to farm another kingdom.
    I fail to see the diffrence of being farmed by a kd that you have no chances against, or to farm out in such a way that your opponents have to think twice before acting behind your back or tying to outplay you by using weaker kds.
    I agree 1000% with this...

    The only ****play I see is the BS agreement between Rage and the Alphabet Contingent after the fact. PewPew is more than welcome to do whatever they like with the land they worked for..
    Now I want to ask. Is there anything that the administration can do to stop the hits of "Cakey Cakey"? Since as I understand, it's unfair to attack into someone's war?
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    Last age AMA had a really rewarding war with Malevolence moving them to no1 position, now when someone else gets really lucky in getting the right war it is ok to threaten them with double hostile? Mansoor did the right thing to steal the crown for our kd and quit :).

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    I finally read most of the opening thread. To be honest I simply see a solution where no problem exists. The diplomacy is an impressive display of etiquette and that's nice to see. This is a very sophisticated way to play house. I have no dog in the fight, but I feel like the guy who sees his old stoner friends still doing the same after years of clarity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurking Ghost View Post
    I think the goals were achieved. The top was forced to stick to their word, and so is Rage. I don't see the lame move here, as we clearly pointed out the issues with the top and the constant CFs, while bullying all other kingdoms. Sadly we had to make it so transparent by not leting Rage fight the brutal fight that we might have put up.

    What you should be advocating is that the game changes into more competitivness where CFs are less rewarding. As it is today it's all about who gets the most CF and make them expire by a reason or just prefectly in time to farm another kingdom.
    I fail to see the diffrence of being farmed by a kd that you have no chances against, or to farm out in such a way that your opponents have to think twice before acting behind your back or tying to outplay you by using weaker kds.

    Today the game is demoralizing to any kd that competes it's way to the top, which baisicly means that no "new" and active or skillfull kds can match up later in the set, because they are so behind in both acres and sience.
    This makes building new kingdoms and attracting new players hard because the succes takes so long time to achieve sucess.

    You may dislike us, I have nothing against that, but at least try to think outside of the box, and look at the bigger picture of all the play, rather than only focusing on who is to blaim and who is not.
    I can certainly agree that the game should be changed so that it's possible to grow into the top later in the age by warring and still have a fighting chance, change honor to make this possible since it's what ww kd's tends to gather up but whoring kingdoms does not. On the topic of cf's tho I disagree with you, they are what they are because both sides signing them typically see them as beneficial(or one side is in a position where it can't decline them), the game has always been about diplomacy and politics, this is but one aspect of that.

    The difference is obvious, you intentionally influence the "race" which the kingdoms in the race are unlikely to take kindly to. If you got cornered and forced to farm out that's "good play" by the cornering kingdom and something that is part of the race. A kingdom farming out to a certain kingdom to spite others is something else entirely.

    That depends on your definition of "new" kingdoms, recruit some old top kingdom player who knows at least part of how the game is played at the top and probably has a few contacts or at least knows who to talk to, that will immensely help your wuest but yes it's gonna be several ages before you can become an "equal" competitor, simply because top kingdom play is very different from ghettobashing, there is a lot more aspects of the game to consider more than just how active you can be in a limited 48h window once every week(or maybe more/less depending on your kingdom).

    I dislike PewPew because of the methods you use such as the stunt you pulled last age, it should be readily apparent to any thinking individual that what you planned to do would be "abusing the quirks of the game in a manner obviously not intended", your latest ploy has significantly impacted the game for the runners up in the "race" because the climate is now significantly more hostile for them and there is less targets than there might otherwise be for them. You obviously hate AMA for somewhat understandable reasons(altho I think you're the ones that started the downward spiral last age) and I doubt you had any thought of how your ploy would affect everybody else in the "race".
    I sort of wonder how furious you would have been if your move had ended with AMA farming Rage and winning the crown because that farmout made them unassailable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitram View Post
    Last age AMA had a really rewarding war with Malevolence moving them to no1 position, now when someone else gets really lucky in getting the right war it is ok to threaten them with double hostile? Mansoor did the right thing to steal the crown for our kd and quit :).
    Someone else didn't get "really lucky" thats the whole issue, Malevolence tried to fight AMA and failed, thats not what happened here, PewPew simply decided to give away their acres in order to spite a certain somebody, there is no competition whatsoever involved in that. If Rage had fought and farmed PewPew while Pew had been trying their hardest to fight back then that's one thing, Rage would have fairly earned those acres, but that's obviously not what happened, if Pew wanted to stop competing they could just have done what they did a few ages ago and Reset all their provinces, or they could have intra-razed down their acres and gone ghetto bashing for the remainder of the age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elldallan View Post
    Someone else didn't get "really lucky" thats the whole issue, Malevolence tried to fight AMA and failed, thats not what happened here, PewPew simply decided to give away their acres in order to spite a certain somebody, there is no competition whatsoever involved in that. If Rage had fought and farmed PewPew while Pew had been trying their hardest to fight back then that's one thing, Rage would have fairly earned those acres, but that's obviously not what happened, if Pew wanted to stop competing they could just have done what they did a few ages ago and Reset all their provinces, or they could have intra-razed down their acres and gone ghetto bashing for the remainder of the age.
    Who are you to decide what acres are "earned" the right way? Obviously we did get really lucky if one of our sworn enemies decided one Age that they hate our enemies more than they hate us and instead decide to give us massive amounts of acres, if that is not luck I dont know what is. Pew Pew can decide to do with their acres whatever they want, that's the point you and your little group of bullies is too dense to see. RBL got trapped in a BS war through no fault of its own, while also losing acres earlier in Age due to Pew Pew jumping them, they couldve taken whatever they wanted from Pew Pew and it wouldve been "fair". I love how some of you have the nerve to tell an entire KD what they can/cant do, when whatever they are doing is freely available to them as an option in the game and they are not cheating to do it. Even Bishop agrees "farming" isnt cheating, it is actually a result of the mechanics within game and the current level of diplo/trust in the community so stop making yourselves look like fools.
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    Farming isn't cheating. He out ****played the server, a win is a win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion View Post
    Who are you to decide what acres are "earned" the right way? Obviously we did get really lucky if one of our sworn enemies decided one Age that they hate our enemies more than they hate us and instead decide to give us massive amounts of acres, if that is not luck I dont know what is. Pew Pew can decide to do with their acres whatever they want, that's the point you and your little group of bullies is too dense to see. RBL got trapped in a BS war through no fault of its own, while also losing acres earlier in Age due to Pew Pew jumping them, they couldve taken whatever they wanted from Pew Pew and it wouldve been "fair". I love how some of you have the nerve to tell an entire KD what they can/cant do, when whatever they are doing is freely available to them as an option in the game and they are not cheating to do it. Even Bishop agrees "farming" isnt cheating, it is actually a result of the mechanics within game and the current level of diplo/trust in the community so stop making yourselves look like fools.
    Thank you for renewing my faith that there is someone on this server with some common sense.
    Now I want to ask. Is there anything that the administration can do to stop the hits of "Cakey Cakey"? Since as I understand, it's unfair to attack into someone's war?
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    shut up nub. don't make me slap you with my back to back banner.
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    Rumours: AMA. BB and jerks GB Rage for farming out Pew pew


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drixx View Post

    We stop pursuing #1 land and EOA CeaseFired AMA, BB and EJ. We have been asked to keep our growth limited to 210k as an upper limit. It is possible that one kingdom who we do not have an EOA CF with may come to war us late in the age, and if that happens we were asked to raze ourselves back down to #2 land should we win that war and find ourselves again in #1.
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    I'm nowhere near the top so who cares about me but surely all the problems with deal-breaking and whatever else the forums are full of just now is the result of making deals in the first place? This game is a war strategy game. I think of it as kinda a medieval game. Back in the day, countries and kings and leaders were backstabby little arseholes and did whatever they wanted to try to gain the most. I don't really see why this should be any different. I doubt the Romans gave all the tribes and countries of Europe 5-day notice before breaking their CF. Leaders would see an opportunity and take it. Reckon Genghis Khan promised not to province-kill? See an enemy is vulnerable, take your chance. Just man up and play properly. If someone gets you, get em back, or get your buddy to get em, or whatever. I think people should pretty much just do whatever they want to try and win. As long as the game rules are followed (no cross logging, no multi accounts, don't be a dickhead etc) then just whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s0830887 View Post
    I'm nowhere near the top so who cares about me but surely all the problems with deal-breaking and whatever else the forums are full of just now is the result of making deals in the first place?
    That's like saying murder is a result of people being born.


    If you're against the whole CF system, fine, don't make CFs. But if you're going to make CF's, you either need to stick to your word or you leave people very little reason to trust you with anything.

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    with the newborn unnamed alliance ABJ (AMA + BB + EJ), that leaves me wondering: what are the other growth kds going to do about it? how long will it take for them to get together?

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    Palem - not quite. Maybe murdering your own child. You can only break YOUR CF - you can't break someone else's. And we don't have any CF's (just to show at least that I'm not just saying something I don't agree with. I just think they're stupid. But I know people here won't generally agree with me so that's okay)

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