PewPew Simians Pyro Threesome

[Crunch]

Question is why was pew+pyro having our orders and everything else full age and not telling us. How fair is that. I honestly dont beleive any of this. Pyro knew we might be coming for them and waved down 70%. They also never was going to tell us about how they could read our orders etc. Because after speaking to Cj he sees no wrong in it. That is allready clear. He never came to tell us nor attempted a cf or anything. In his mind a underdrafted kd with bad builds and less science was ready to fight a super well pumped kd that pulled out max activity on xmas morning. mmm right. This is why you continued to fight legacy i bet and despite retal us after Ama hitted us lose well over 5k acres. anyway...

It tells me a great deal of this KD Pyro. They do whatever they can to win and they dont care how. Kreinhild. Its nice you beleive all of this. But its not hard to understand that this group of kds used our intel from day 1. They allies in closed leader channel. This been ongoing. We can see when and what IPs connected. Its just no way that our info reached your kd just before our wave.

You can choose to be naive and gullible. I choose to understand that Nesta and Cj is liers and they are cheaters. They dont even understand what they did was wrong. This could have carried on full age and these guys had no told anyone because they see nothing wrong in it. Hopefully players like these gets punished.

I think my kd got lucky to get to know about this. Ovenmitt likes to talk thank god.

Regarding our wave. We heard you guys had a cf deal. This is why the wave happend. There was also a deal. We could not have known the deal went bad and looking back at it we should have waited even if your beyond fat kd dodged us and had our intel.

We apologized. I said we can give back acres and cf.
But now. When i know how your leaders cheat in this game. I dont feel like it. Infact i wish for them to understand that cheating is not winning. Its just a losers way of playing.

Really.... Your not getting anything from us. No matter how smart and bad you think you are. If anything be glad we pulled you to declare range so you could get a win. Besides. AMA claimed every single acre for your kd.

We gave them 6-7 free waves on us. For our dirty play...

what a joke...

Like i said. No acres. No apology til the new kids on the block learns about this games moral codes.
We know when we do some dirty thing ingame. 2 vs 1 can happen n be sorted out. What pyro leaders did was 10 times worse and its cheating. It has nothing to do with ingame mechs.

pyro is the biggest **** play kd on the server.. None of you ever cared before now because it was not the top they were **** playing.. pyro is famous for hitting into active ghetto hostile 2vs1 and 3vs1 and deal breaks whenever is suits them. They don't care.. Have been told by past kd mates I know they actively seek out ghetto hostile to grab free acres ..Pyro is famous for ghetto bashing and gb of nub players...They luv to wave kds much smaller than them.. They are vultures who should be exterminated. It's not enough that the top gave them free cf last age so they could bash ghettos and grow with out being hit from the top. Now Fake rage compounds the mistake by now welcoming them with open arms and now teams up with them.

If Fake rage really wanted to redeem themselves, be a leader in fair play and not participate in **** play anymore like they claim. The first thing they would do is kick pyro from their alliance and not offer them any protections from the top.. Let the ghettos deal with pyro to take revenge. We probably wont see this as Fake rage is 2nd on the server for **** play tactics so pyro and Fake rage are really a great match..

Wake up Utopians! Server war is needed and your participation will be required...

Kds that need to be dealt with and in order of their violations against the Utopian community

1st Pyro

2nd Fake rage

[IrGr8Nublet]

How did our leaders cheat again anri?

[PhoenixScorpion]

pyro is the biggest **** play kd on the server.. None of you ever cared before now because it was not the top they were **** playing.. pyro is famous for hitting into active ghetto hostile 2vs1 and 3vs1 and deal breaks whenever is suits them. They don't care.. Have been told by past kd mates I know they actively seek out ghetto hostile to grab free acres ..Pyro is famous for ghetto bashing and gb of nub players...They luv to wave kds much smaller than them.. They are vultures who should be exterminated. It's not enough that the top gave them free cf last age so they could bash ghettos and grow with out being hit from the top. Now Fake rage compounds the mistake by now welcoming them with open arms and now teams up with them.

If Fake rage really wanted to redeem themselves, be a leader in fair play and not participate in **** play anymore like they claim. The first thing they would do is kick pyro from their alliance and not offer them any protections from the top.. Let the ghettos deal with pyro to take revenge. We probably wont see this as Fake rage is 2nd on the server for **** play tactics so pyro and Fake rage are really a great match..

Wake up Utopians! Server war is needed and your participation will be required...

Kds that need to be dealt with and in order of their violations against the Utopian community

1st Pyro

2nd Fake rage

I think we did more by bowing out last Age than most KD's have done recently to promote fairplay, this to have the Age decided by the exact thing we bowed out for. Classy.

I do not know if Fake Rage is meant to be an insult, but we do not tag for a reason as respect. We are a different KD with different players, get over it, we have. This doesn't mean we forget the roots of the KD. We have no desire to redeem anything. Rage has lost more crowns recently than anyone (besides maybe AMA) since I have returned to game, so honestly we are tired of all the QQ about ****playing when no one cares when it is/was us being ****played. I didnt see anyone policing people who dealbroke us clearly, or powerplaying us, etc. If might makes right then so be it we will protect our members based on what we think is fair, just as all before us. GL with your server war though, maybe then we would actually have some action instead of a CF fest ;)

[StratOcastle]

PS is in the right here, and the accusation against these 2 kingdoms is common in the greater Utopian community. - That is: the top may offer the benefit of notice but that and other considerations are simply privilege.

I'm not into taking sides, even if some players are more charming than others. I sympathize with the underdog and find it a shame when guys don't have an ally to depend on. Again, that's the majority of the kingdoms in Utopia.

[TheOne]

I wanted to stop posting in this thread or the other thread (pyro,pew,rage) because things were going in round circles and circles. But I cannot resist posting and correct all of the flawed facts.

This is going to be my last post in both of these threads. If the apes want to continue crying, go ahead. The next time either Nesta or me posting will be when we post war summaries.

Let's get some timelines correct. once and for all.

- Pyro first hit on Legacy was 23rd
- 'Dealbreak' occurred between Legacy and Pyro on the 5th-6th (depending on how either side sees it, both legacy monarch and us agree to disagree on who dealbroke first)
- Simians latest oow date is 6th. Most kingdoms use 96hrs eowcf in current game dynamics
- Ovenmitt fed Pyro intel on the 9th-10th that Simians was coming on the 13th. This is after Pyro has most of their troops out on legacy + use gc + mana + stealth.
- Last hit from Pyro on Legacy was on the 12th, and the last hit from Legacy on Pyro was on the 12th.
- Pyros leaders PM Simians on the 11th or 12th saying that they were in ACTIVE hostile with legacy, asking simians to not wave pyro and respect the hostile. Pyro did not tell Simians that they had intel from the site BUT had alot of sots done on them on the 12th and slightly earlier. Simians continued to wave onto active hostile on the 13th
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More facts now.

- There was ZERO chance of Simians coming out of war on the 6th in NORMAL stance. This was based on our calculations and observing of their nwpa and such. You were not in proper builds or trained. So stop giving me your bull**** that you postponed your wave on the 5th/6th to the 13th just to respect some of the hostile Pyro had with Legacy.
- In fact, the ORDERS to have a wave on the 13th on Pyro was made on the 6th. Right when the 'dealbreak' occured and Legacy ALREADY raining hits on Pyro. So, you either didnt take news to know what happened, OR you just want to take advantage of the situation.
- Doesnt mean Legacy kingdom name is 'NOT HOSTILE' means you can assume there is no hostile between Pyro and Legacy. Pyro leaders already PM you before your wave started to stop it, but you didnt. And you DEFINITELY took a snatch news, or else how would you know whose armies were out, and hence double tappable?
- We have no NOTICE agreement, hence why do you cry about Pyro running away from you? Is taking SOTS of a kingdom giving notice? Afaik, you were taking sots on several kingdoms before you exit fort and were deciding on your victim. So all these kingdoms cannot wave out? So if in future, if any kingdom that you take sots on decide to wave out, = they dodging you?

Hence,

You clearly hit into active hostile., DESPITE Pyro leaders telling you in advance about it

We do not condone the usage of such intel leaks/spies, but these intel didnt help Pyro much at all. Because by then we had armies out + used mana+stealth+gc on Legacy. In fact, it helped us in the sense that we WENT to SIMIANS and told them to back off, which they DIDNT.


Other information
- Simians promised AMA xmas WAR. But dodged.
They asked why Pyro didnt push vs them when Legacy 21x + used ops on Pyro, while Pyro had used stealth+mana+gc on Legacy already. I.E drained. And Simians rained a f***ing alot of hits on the 13h itself. At least 30-35 iirc.
Pyro saw AMA wave on the 24th, a perfect coincidence of when we told our guys to come online to wave out (be it Simians or Legacy). Obviously since we felt we got **** played, we decided to take back some of our lost acres and 18x on the 24th. We barely spent ANY ops on SIMIANS, and SIMIANS never had relations with Pyros and hence had mana+stealth..

Facts.
Simians had troops SYNCed up to return around the 1st-2nd. You had unspent mana+stealth. You dodge AMA in a much more comfortable situation then Pyro had when you said Pyro dodge you guys.

Anri, stop taking attention off yourself on how you went about posting all in #tactics about 2wws and #1 land in two weeks, and how you wanted to war/farm and beat ama in an xmas war. When you just blatantly dodged them..



To the person whose posting about Pyro been hitting into active hostile last age + ghetto bashing.... Before Pyro grew, we had wars with noobiesdontbite, war machines, simians, qoa and sanitarium. All of these wars were arranged. And our relative kd nw% was 107%. We didnt need to wave out and look for war. I believe you were the guy who was from the Kingdom that 5x Pyro when they were having pre-war hostile with either war marchines or qoa. And we repaid that favour by 3xing (2 less) your pre-hostile with another kingdom later.

To those Pyro haters, only time will tell whether Pyros play with a code of honour or are a dishonourable bunch. I appeal that you give us time to show what we are.

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Yes, we were not that 'honourable' in the sense that when we approached Simians to stop their wave on us, we didnt tell them about the leaked intel. But see it from our point of view, Simians were already very aggressive when we talked to them and refused to stop their wave.. If they had at least stopped their wave, or postponed it then it gives Pyros justification to let them know of this leak intel.. The moment we approached you to ask you to stop your wave, you just blatantly refused.

If you ****play us by hitting into active hostile, why should you expect us to be honourable back and let you know you got intel leaked? We told you we know that you are coming in 1-2hrs to wave us, but you didnt want to back off.. why should we let yo know about your intel leak then? If you were to back off, yes we would have An eye for an eye.


This will be the last post from myself in these two threads. It will be the same post. Nesta already said he is not posting anymore (respect to him on having more control than me). Whatever any Pyromaniacs members posts after me is their own view only and not the kingdom's view.

-cJ

[Anri]

Dude. We all ****played. Some worse then others. But your kd was the only one cheating in a very dispicable way.

All i requested is a CF that will last last til mid age or whatever so we can forget about this ****storm.

This is the ONLY reason this gets cycled back and forth and why the thread is still alive is because you want 2k acres from us. I have a lot more detective work to do. Need to read all ips from site login to see if Ips can be matched etc etc. And im not even near done talking to ppl.

I dont let go til i have full facts and your leaders dont think they cheated yet. lol

I want to cf cause i want to give up on you guys. Next time we meet is under fair conditions. I had enuff of Pyro. One of the most dishonarable kds in utopia. You make a perfect addition to t10.

[Anri]

After some dip with pyro we have now parted ways like gentlemen in a cease fire treaty.
Thanks for sorting all out.

GL

[Elit]

After some dip with pyro we have now parted ways like gentlemen in a cease fire treaty.
Thanks for sorting all out.

GL

Its all good when end good!
Move on to next drama ;)

[OrcPateNom]

its obvious that AMA kept up the ****play because they didnt want simians to come back and bite them in the ass, so they had to keep going to eliminate that chance. I hope simians dont forgive or forget, and serve it cold when the time is right.

[Koodo]

Simians has always had a bad attitude/don't like wars. Every time they get into a war they turn it into a grudge match/death match/forum smear fest. A little while ago it was HoH they hated, then SWEA, now AMA.

Nobody cares who Simians has a hard on for, most actually prefer to be on Simians **** list so they have a good farm if your a top 5 kingdom. A good kingdom will be in better position then an average kingdom 90-95% of the time , good for you you screwed over The kingdom 1-2 times while they farm you 18-19 times. I think that's a great return :p

Simians did a great job last age and are/were heading in the right direction, hope to see them war/ honor chart this age. Simians doesn't have the quality of kingdom to make enemies vs AMA and get anywhere positive. Just take your lumps and move on vs a kingdom in a lower class/quality range.

[guard14n]

Buuurn :D

[Aranfein]

Elldallan - what it's worth I am sorry for my rather harsh words.

No problem, I was just personally getting tired of all that was going on, so if i spoke harshly i apologise too.

To everyone Happy New Year, don't drink and drive, and get safely into 2014!