Simians vs Pyros

[TheOne]

Congratz on the victory. GG

Thanks for the war Anri, Calle & Co. It was well fought from both sides and I believe there were some mistakes that both sides committed during this war and hopefully both Simians & Pyros can learn from their mistakes.

It was really ballsy of Simians to full wave us into fort when CF has expired and much courage and determination must be given to Simians for that. From what I have gathered from several of my sources, it was probably the best play Simians could do given their circumstances at that point in time. Simians did pretty well the first 24-30hours of war and many of Pyro's hybrids almost went done. Anyone who thinks that Simians cannot war should feel free to test their warring skills out... So unless you have beaten them before, you shouldnt troll them.

They can war and they will own most kingdoms. After the first 30 hours of war, a few kingdom mates of mine and I were pretty disillusional and thought Pyros might have to tactically WD early due to the fact that our hybrids might go down before we can secure them (i.e destroying Simians core). Many external non pyro folks PM me on irc and were concerned if Pyros were to be actually the 1 farming out (and of course the troll Proteus critical flaming remarks :P). Thankfully, Nesta had better vision than me and wasnt influenced and said we will still win the war (crucial war timings -> hours 36- hours 48 of the war).. and I couldnt analyse the position well due to cny celebrations and all.

Well, I'll be honest and say that we hope that war would drag on longer as we were starting to stack alot of acres on Pyros side (Pyro's strategy in this war didnt allow that many acres on our cows early on as they did several core hits on Simians core to help out in core battle). In addition, Nesta province got IP blocked with my province (damn Singapore..) and that caused him to lose quite a number of good hits after 1 NM+NS run a particular province.

If war were to be dragged on for another few uniques, things would really have turned ugly then.

I believe that Anri has made approximately the right timing to WD and I'm not sure if this was influenced by external parties (*cough cough* potential Pyro's future opponents in this age). It was strange because there were no proper max-gains uniques and such. No hard feelings but if I were to be in those external parties positions, I would try to convince Anri to WD asap too. What this only means is that Simians are a honourable warring/whoring kingdom and do not farm out like what everyone has been saying of them. As I only restart utopia 2-3 ages ago, I read that people have been saying that they farm out ever age but this is a clear indication that things are different. Of course Pyros are upset that war didnt last a few days longer, but we will have make do with the gains that we got from this war.

Of course there are other rationales which I came up with on why Simians chose to withdraw at that timing but I do not wish to discuss about them currently.

I do wish Simians & Co all the best for the remaining of the age and hopefully we do not need to be embroiled in any unnecessary conflcit.

-cJ

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To to address some troll posts

I can't tell if it is ignorance or arrogance at this point. Proteus is just being a realist. But keep buying into your own hype core of pyro. I don't believe CJ and Nesta actually believe they can slay PB/AMA or CR. But who knows.

Pyro does suck and will be farmed later in age by either CR or AMA, I've already stated this.

Stating the obvious to all but maybe Pyro.

Thanks for your concerns and advice. Dont worry, Nesta, Myself & the rest of Pyro's leadership know full well the position that we are in. We know that our chances vs CR/AMA arent that great and we know the challenges that we face if we were to war either kingdom. We are not disillusional and know full well what we are facing.

Band of Horses, I hope you do not play in AMA because you are Proteus version 2.0 :( Stop trolling Pyros please. We are here to mount an attempt at the whoring charts after being a notable warring kingdom :) oh btw, I believe 50% of the reason why people dislike AMA is because Proteus is in there.

I hope the Pyro core is this active on the forums when they face AMA/PB or CR. Although I suspect free waves for CF because that is more honorable than a farm war.

Funny thing that people think Proteus is running his mouth, I see it as him trying to give Pyro a reality check that could in the long run be beneficial to them.

Trust me, there arent really that many Pyros core that is actively posting here.

[Dark Knight]

ProPro you know better, there are actually quite a few still active within the alliance who have led top KD's just because you live in fantasy land dont expect us to. Just because some of us have both achieved enough we can relax, or we simply dont care win/lose. We play to have fun with each other, and our KD mates and for the rivalries. Win or lose, so what its a game and you learn, big deal. Bragging repeatedly at this scale in game is just epically sad bro. You really need a hobby bro, to need to incessantly slam people for nothing and be rude constantly. Whats the purpose of you even posting here when thread isnt related to you or your KD.

I dont even recall Pyro ever even being rude to you, AMA, or anything like that for you to keep flaming them.

Wanker springs to mind.

[TheOne]

Where's the summaries? Looks like the acres and networth gap is slowly but surely increasing

** Kingdom news report **
For the time from May 11 of YR6 till February 9 of YR7 - 95 hours
[ http://home-world.org/utopia/formatter/ - Seraphim online formatter ]

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 535 (111,908 acres)
-- Traditional march: 486 (106,656 acres)
-- Ambush: 8 (1,279 acres)
-- Conquest: 32 (3,973 acres)
-- Massacre: 1 (5,365 population)
-- Failed: 8 (1.5% failure)
-- Uniques: 142
Total attacks suffered: 645 (107,504 acres)
-- Traditional march: 598 (104,614 acres)
-- Ambush: 16 (2,890 acres)
-- Raze: 11 (1,005 acres)
-- Learn: 5
-- Failed: 15 (2.3% failure)
-- Uniques: 168

** The kingdom of FIRE **
Total land exchanged: +4,404 (535/645)
+33,887 An unknown province (125/0)
+4,428 23 keep moving forward (22 [7]/1)
+3,402 02 something you already know (19 [7]/3)
+1,926 03 The world aint (13 [6]/0)
+1,476 10 to your knees (8 [6]/5)
+1,338 05 Its a very mean (27 [8]/30)
+1,326 13 You me or nobody (9 [6]/4)
+788 08 how tough you are (29 [7]/18)
+720 16 But it aint about (13 [4]/0)
+590 09 it will beat you (25 [7]/13)
+520 25 We did it (23 [6]/22)
-9 07 I dont care (6 [4]/5)
-21 01 Let me tell you (13 [3]/1)
-845 06 and nasty place (10 [4]/10)
-846 24 Yo Adrian (23 [6]/23)
-1,465 15 hard as life (13 [5]/18)
-1,948 22 you can take and (17 [7]/27)
-2,461 14 is gonna hit as (11 [7]/28)
-3,148 11 and keep you there (19 [5]/32)
-3,236 04 all sunshine and rainbows (10 [5]/33)
-3,894 18 Its about how (19 [5]/97)
-5,341 12 permanently if you let it (2 [2]/13)
-5,362 20 hit and keep moving (26 [6]/70)
-5,966 21 forward how much (24 [9]/56)
-5,995 19 hard you can get (12 [5]/72)
-6,465 17 how hard you hit (17 [5]/64)


** The kingdom of MONKEY **
Total land exchanged: -4,404 (645/535)
+33,037 An unknown province (122/0)
+1,184 Interesting Times (23 [8]/5)
+1,138 No alarms anymore for me (38 [10]/17)
+816 Raistlin (16 [4]/0)
+678 Centurian (17 [6]/0)
+624 arghh RORO (15 [6]/0)
+469 Rosso (16 [4]/0)
+420 Friesian (14 [6]/6)
+418 Justin Bieber (9 [3]/0)
+142 Dont want to be UnDead (2 [1]/0)
-122 Queen of Blades (19 [6]/12)
-450 LuckyShot (14 [6]/6)
-700 Blood and Sand (28 [8]/27)
-1,167 Woof bloody woof (27 [8]/28)
-1,430 it means no worries (33 [9]/52)
-1,701 Chooey (31 [10]/32)
-2,062 luvulongtime (23 [7]/28)
-2,148 Oh No its HIM (27 [10]/66)
-2,294 Madara Uchiha (29 [9]/33)
-2,594 I eat elves for breakfast (27 [8]/39)
-2,617 Cheese Pie (26 [10]/26)
-2,620 FazeBook (26 [8]/40)
-3,396 Help ME Im defenseless (22 [8]/29)
-4,044 The Mentalist (24 [6]/32)
-7,114 burundukos (8 [4]/32)
-7,866 Paul Walker (9 [3]/25)

For a better overall view, See http://umunk.net/tf/#war=2&id1=606&id2=685.

Simians lost 6k overall in this conflict, and considering they razed about 1k acres in hostile... I would say that our nett is 5k acres before ww bonus

-cJ

[Abscond]

You consider yourself to be a smart individual....don't you think that perhaps pewpew might have sought after some sort of CF agreement when hostilities ended with Simians the last time?

how about Simians VS BB? Or Simians VS Legacy?

[Proteus]

Saying that Pyro will be farmed is fine, it's his own opinion. But to be tossing the word n00b around just because the game isn't like it used to be is pretty unfair. The current game state is what it is. Deal with it. Pyro are doing fine being new to the top, I think they deserve a little more supporting words than the ridicule that they are getting from him.

Thats my point, the game is the way it is so pyro has nothing to be proud of. Once t10 was highly regarded, now there is no more t10 or t5 for that matter when there re on,y 3 good kds left in game that have a chance to win every age. So with that being said there are two 'freebie' spots left in t5 for the special Olympics to compete over (poopoo, pyro, etc).

And for that matter the people i call n00b are the ones that are, dont think you see me calling CR n00b.

[American Badass]

Simians only recently grew into the top and did not have any cows nor time to pump, they started off the war well and had a decent-good chance of winning, i was not following war to know what turned. Ofc pyro is cocky but again when cr or ama receives their acres and crowns with it they will sing a different tune.

Do you not want more kingdoms in the top? I do not know why you constantly belittle new upcoming kingdoms instead of saying "fair play, kd did good" :/

[Proteus]

Thanks for your concerns and advice. Dont worry, Nesta, Myself & the rest of Pyro's leadership know full well the position that we are in. We know that our chances vs CR/AMA arent that great and we know the challenges that we face if we were to war either kingdom. We are not disillusional and know full well what we are facing.

Band of Horses, I hope you do not play in AMA because you are Proteus version 2.0 :( Stop trolling Pyros please. We are here to mount an attempt at the whoring charts after being a notable warring kingdom :) oh btw, I believe 50% of the reason why people dislike AMA is because Proteus is in there.



Trust me, there arent really that many Pyros core that is actively posting here.

Its because of this stupid logic that I even post to begin with, you just dont have a clue do you.

First off you are butthurt that simians wd when they did and didnt stick around longer to give you more land. Lol little n00b crybaby why do you feel so entitled. A hallmark of a good kd is knowing when you've lost and cutting losses. Once simians knew that they couldn't win why should they stay in longer to farm out? The two times i lost wars in the last 12 ages or so both were min time withdraws. I understand that your allies like to war way past min time when they have 0 chance of winning but are butthurt about losing to said kingdom yet all they managed to do is farm out more (i.e. Pew2 war vs. AMA last age where they stayed in for 9 days too pound farmout instead of wd mintime when war was over; RBL war this age when it was clearly over when we disabled their entire core few days in as opposed to staying in for 9 days at which point they were just farming out).

Second point is you say people dont like AMA because of me, while that may be the case for some people lets not forget before I even joined AMA it was double teamed by 2 ABS kds and gang banged by SWEA/pewpew and some others. I'll be the first to tell you being liked does not have a correlation with skill and doesnt matter. People hated my guts when i lead Rage but i still managed to have kd finish T3 every age and we won 95%+ of our conflicts and crowned on several occasions. I'd have 2-3 more crowns if people did not dislike me but those crowns were lost by kingdoms shaping charts eoa by farming out to others (like last two ages) those crowns were not lost by beating defeated by someone in conflict.

Your problem is that you are a n00b thats cocky from drinking your own koolaid...you dont see me calling Simians noobs or Legacy do you....there are plenty of other kingdoms who compete in t5-10 without being same caliber as the t2-3 kds i refer to, the difference is these kingdoms arent cocky like you are, and your cockiness is unfounded. When you have established a successful track record of winning vs. caliber opponents in the top age in age out and crown then you can run your mouth, until then sit down biatch.

Lastly as I said in previous posts you arent achieving anything, there are two free spots in t5 every age because there are only 2-3 good kingdoms playing every age and the two remaining spots are open to you or whoever wins the special Olympics and just dont matter.

[Proteus]

Pretty sure last time Proteus ran his mouth this hard was about flogger and beastblood right before they demolished them and he left Rage lol

n00b palem, i think you have been confusing your facts or just inactive. I never got farmed by BB and left Rage after. It is true we did lose to pulse/trollfags dirty & co. In age 55 in late age war but i didnt leave after, we actually went on to beat BB 3x b2b wars the following age and then one more time the age after when we crowned, so you are mistaken. My last age in Rage was actually when flogger smack talked me on forums when noticed us saying someone i have no swagger/gravitas but ended up farming out to us in early age war, maybe you are referring to that...my last age in kd leading was age 57 when I turned over kd eoa and went inactive. Do some research before making stupid posts.

Do you not want more kingdoms in the top? I do not know why you constantly belittle new upcoming kingdoms instead of saying "fair play, kd did good" :/

I actually dont enjoy warring kds in top charts no,they do not have the pride thats required of a proper kd and ****play in various ways such as deal break, hit into wars, farm out to allies, rob into eow, double hostile kingdoms, call dibs using dragon projects and forum posts instead of giving button, etc. also cocky ones like pyro who have no reason to be cocky, no pack your **** up and GTFO or have it done for you.

[TheOne]

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First off you are butthurt that simians wd when they did and didnt stick around longer to give you more land. Lol little n00b crybaby why do you feel so entitled. A hallmark of a good kd is knowing when you've lost and cutting losses. Once simians knew that they couldn't win why should they stay in longer to farm out? The two times i lost wars in the last 12 ages or so both were min time withdraws. I understand that your allies like to war way past min time when they have 0 chance of winning but are butthurt about losing to said kingdom yet all they managed to do is farm out more (i.e. Pew2 war vs. AMA last age where they stayed in for 9 days too pound farmout instead of wd mintime when war was over; RBL war this age when it was clearly over when we disabled their entire core few days in as opposed to staying in for 9 days at which point they were just farming out).

Second point is you say people dont like AMA because of me, while that may be the case for some people lets not forget before I even joined AMA it was double teamed by 2 ABS kds and gang banged by SWEA/pewpew and some others. I'll be the first to tell you being liked does not have a correlation with skill and doesnt matter. People hated my guts when i lead Rage but i still managed to have kd finish T3 every age and we won 95%+ of our conflicts and crowned on several occasions. I'd have 2-3 more crowns if people did not dislike me but those crowns were lost by kingdoms shaping charts eoa by farming out to others (like last two ages) those crowns were not lost by beating defeated by someone in conflict.

Your problem is that you are a n00b thats cocky from drinking your own koolaid...you dont see me calling Simians noobs or Legacy do you....there are plenty of other kingdoms who compete in t5-10 without being same caliber as the t2-3 kds i refer to, the difference is these kingdoms arent cocky like you are, and your cockiness is unfounded. When you have established a successful track record of winning vs. caliber opponents in the top age in age out and crown then you can run your mouth, until then sit down biatch.

Lastly as I said in previous posts you arent achieving anything, there are two free spots in t5 every age because there are only 2-3 good kingdoms playing every age and the two remaining spots are open to you or whoever wins the special Olympics and just dont matter.

Maybe you should learn to read and comprehend things properly before you even post. I said that Pyros are upset that war didnt last longer (any kingdom in Pyros spot would want war to last longer duh) but if you read my post properly (which you obviously cant despite having an advanced degree), you would know that I wasnt whining or being butthurt about it. I even congratulated Simians for fighting a good war and they almost won it and forced a tactical withdrawal from PYro. I also mentioned that Simians withdrew at the right timing and didnt live up to their 'farm' tag that people like you have tagged them. I said that I just restarted playing 2-3 ages ago and dont know if it's really true that Simians 'farms out'. And this is a clear example that they dont.

And yes I mentioned that there was a possibility that Anri was convinced by external parties to WD early and even said that I would do the same if I were in those external parties shoes. All part of game strategy. And we would make do with the war spoils that we got.

You basically have called every kingdom n00b except for perhaps CR as you think you're all great and might. Why not you try to find another kingdom that will accept you if in the event Elit kicks you out? Good luck finding. I am not sure if I will be able to find another kingdom if Nesta kicks me out, but I'm sure my prospects look better than yours.

Maybe you should learn to be appreciative of how kingdoms like Pyros are trying to make the top 10/top 5/top 3 more competitive and learn to be less critical. It will help you in life much more too :)

I might be cocky to you, but probably everyone is cocky to you.. Well, I am humble in both in victory & defeat unlike you. As far as I know, most people who have spoke to me in IRC over the past 2-3 ages find me an alright person.. people from BB, CR, AMA, RK, Pew, Rage etc.. cant say likewise for you. It would serve you better if you stop painting Pyromaniacs as a cocky kingdom.

'and your cockiness is unfounded' -> Even if I were to actually be cocky, let me tell you what I'm proud of (and what Nesta is proud of).. Pyromaniacs doesnt have as skilled roster as the Mighty AMA, CR, BB, Pew, Rage etc but we are doing well his age. This is mainly due to several factors such as we dont have players with egos and everyone is willing to listen and learn. and leaders of Pyros are willing to listen to feedback from both internally and externally. We have publicly said that we received advice from top leaders such as Drixx, Wb, Tox, Binar etc etc but well you go on your own usual ways and denounce these people :P your choice bro. In addition, Pyros almost honour crowned 2 ages ago and ww crowned last age.. so I believe that should give us some sort of recognition or respect.

I am going to say this now and will repeat myself if necessary. Pyros leadership and core members know full well the challenges that we have if we were to war AMA when our CF is up. And we know that our chances arent that great, however you can guarantee that we wont farm out. And in the likely event that AMA were to win Pyro, all credit will be given to the kingdom of AMA + Elit & dirty and none towards you. So dont come and gloat in the event that you guys win us.

Face the mirror don propro.

-cJ

[American Badass]

"deal break (Probably every kd has at some point), hit into wars, farm out to allies(rage deal to simians age I was in simians / AMA deal with Havoc last age) rob into eow (sanc?), double hostile kingdoms (Sanc/havoc), call dibs using dragon projects (AMA set this as a valid way to notice?) and forum posts instead of giving button"

Didn't Havoc/Sanc do that to AMA (most of what you suggested), the alliance you was apart of? I am not disagreeing or trying to cause an argument with you but this sort of play has been in place for years way before warring kds entered the top play. I just feel the singling out of certain kingdoms of being dirty is totally hypocritical when no suggestions or "rules" are drawn up by the top that everyone can agree upon.

Most of what these warring kds do they do because they have witnessed it amongst the top age in age out previously... in time they shall probably learn.

[Minty]

I'm pretty sure I've read an Adler book or two about Proteus

[jjofdenmark]

Reading all the posts here is quite funny but also very painful.

[tetley]

Lol Dark Knight. so Pyro is almost as good as AMA, and will not farm out to anyone, but you're leaving after this war? Not exactly putting your money where your mouth is...

I think proteus'/band of horses' point, CJ, is that your entire crew is in here talking trash because you beat simians with a land and bank advantage. If it's just you and nesta talking in here then fine, but basically your whole core is chirping, which makes you guys look cocky without really proving yourself.

[Drug]

I want to war Pyro only for one reason: Nighmare ;)

Thus said I myself very respect Pyro for their last 2 ages, dunno why would any1 downtalk any their achievement. I'd say this game needs more kds like them.

Ohh, almost forgot, congratz on ww Pyro, and better luck (well, better planning imo) next time Simians.

[Kreinhild]

5-6 people = all of pyro?

last time I checked, Pyro was a 25 person kd.