CR vs AMA

[Soul_Hunter]

Simians did not war us when we waved them and gave button.

[Proteus]

It is funny when some random core player with like zero knowledge flex his muscles because he is part of AMA, the dealbreaking KD.
The day you get ur own KD built and come at me, i am more then happy to whop your ass. Infact i am more then happy to take AMA to war next age.
And if you win, congrats, until then, you got nothing on me. You are just the ****playing kd that dealbreaks and lie behind peoples backs to get ahead in this game.

Anri majority of our core players are former leaders and can walk into any of "fair play" kingdoms and do a bett job running them then the hacks in charge.

[Retard`]

Anri to be specific you were the ones who 2v1ed pyro and it was completely your fault. There is no such thing as hostile protrction from other kds when you 2v1 someone. The reasons simians keeps farming out is because of stupid decisions like thinking 3 way notice on abs is smart and that 2v1ing a kd protects you from opponents.

As for warring ama, why is ama undefeated in war for all of these ages, especially when they were in bad positions and a managed to win anyways. Did ama cheat or get help? No, they won these fights 1v1..

And you doubled Simians.

[Proteus]

Proteus once played for Sanctuary. Sanctuary has participated in 2v1's in the past. Proteus is now part of AMA leadership, so we're now GBing AMA. True Story.

Sanc didnt 2v1 anyone when i was there but they did when maxi mouse was a co-leader

[Anri]

Anri to be specific you were the ones who 2v1ed pyro and it was completely your fault. There is no such thing as hostile protrction from other kds when you 2v1 someone. The reasons simians keeps farming out is because of stupid decisions like thinking 3 way notice on abs is smart and that 2v1ing a kd protects you from opponents.
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This happend age 54 Proteus, it was a wild move, more or less the only card we could play to try and slow Rage and Sanc from free pumping while we were going to war. It backfired and Sanctuary should never have waved us when we all ready dealt button to HoH. But let the past be past for once.

And we dont keep farming out, we farmed acres to SWEA one age after age 54, why? Because Elit backstabbed us, it was entirely AMAs fault for lying to Simians about thier intentions with SWEA and instead made a deal behind our back. We cant fight a KD untrained and in bad builds, we end up farmed. All thanks to Elit for that one man. You can go read the loggs, its all there.

We most certainly dont farm out every age as you claim.

Regarding the 2 vs 1 on Pyros, it was not AMAs affair to bother with. They had thier own alliance to fix things and we were doing diplomacy. In most such cases acres is returned or thier allies steps in, or outsiders comes to sort dip out. It was not AMAs fight to have and to sort out. It was just very optimistic and greedy play to get free acres from our KD. I never said it was a good wave, it was a very bad move, but those moves happens now and then. Just like Elit did a bad move and done countless of bad moves last ages. Cant take away all the wins from you, you done very good as a warring KD, but many moves can be debatted and it makes Simians look like saints the last couple of ages compared to AMA.

[Proteus]

No as we pulled out of the crown race before the GB came, something that Elit could not negotiate on. I don't know why when you left for AMA BS and you expected a GB you are now sticking up for them? You and the rest of AMA seem to change your mood more than a woman on her period. One minute it is this, next it is that. Cello came out with so many stories as to why AMA did what it did and Elit says something completely different. I think you all need to get and stick to one story.

Did AMA say they would not go for the crown? No. Did Elit go and make a public announcement like Drixx did saying AMA won't be competing? No. Is this situation different to last age with pew? Yes. How it it different? We did not deal break a potential crown contender ****ing up their chances. Yes we"farmed" pew but even so none of the other kds acres got effected.

You participated in NW crown race with farmed acres ,you just failed to win...

[Anri]

Simians did not war us when we waved them and gave button.

Nor did we war you when you gave us button by misstake and begged for CF.

[faegan]

1. A notice is given by starting and cancelling a dragon on the same tick
2. A thread can't be made until notice can be given
3. Robbing IS a hostile act
4. EOWCF means EOWCF. NO OPS IN.
5. B2B is allowed
6. It is up to both kd leaders to agree to extend a cf notice.
7. hitting into wars is NEVER allowed

The above is a brief example of what we *COULD* come up with and build upon. We would appreciate everyone's input, AMA included.

Make a thread for this? Took the liberty to number the list, makes it easier to respond, but after reading them again I can just say that I disagree with all points. It's clear and simple: game mechanics + features allow the following:

1. Robbing into EOWCF or whenever.
Don't sit on huge stacks of resources and have the appropriate people CFed

2. B2B
There's nothing stopping you in-game from Back-2-Back wars. You just need to make sure you won't get vultured should you require rebuild time beyond EOWCF

3. Extending CF
CFs don't need extending since they have no expiration date in-game. So for as long as either kingdom doesn't actively BREAKS the CF, you have your CF.
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Idea here: introduce timered CFs that cannot be cancelled prior to expiration date, or set a huge cost (5-10% land?) on breaking a CF.
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4. Hitting into war
Now, it would truly be Utopia if no ****playing were ever to occur. The whole point of being able to hit into war being that in the past, kingdoms would make a mess of things prior to going to war. There's a perfectly good example of this very recently where a kingdom would plunder out into some random kingdom just before they go to war (Tagged: STFO going to war). Being able to hit into war and the -75% fading in makes this kind of behaviour slightly more risky.

Anyway....you should make a thread.

[Anri]

What does all of this have to do with AMA dealbreaking CR again?

[Ezzerland]

Sanc didnt 2v1 anyone when i was there but they did when maxi mouse was a co-leader

LOL. Oh man.. I'm dying laughing atm.

[Proteus]

This happend age 54 Proteus, it was a wild move, more or less the only card we could play to try and slow Rage and Sanc from free pumping while we were going to war. It backfired and Sanctuary should never have waved us when we all ready dealt button to HoH. But let the past be past for once.

And we dont keep farming out, we farmed acres to SWEA one age after age 54, why? Because Elit backstabbed us, it was entirely AMAs fault for lying to Simians about thier intentions with SWEA and instead made a deal behind our back. We cant fight a KD untrained and in bad builds, we end up farmed. All thanks to Elit for that one man. You can go read the loggs, its all there.

We most certainly dont farm out every age as you claim.

Regarding the 2 vs 1 on Pyros, it was not AMAs affair to bother with. They had thier own alliance to fix things and we were doing diplomacy. In most such cases acres is returned or thier allies steps in, or outsiders comes to sort dip out. It was not AMAs fight to have and to sort out. It was just very optimistic and greedy play to get free acres from our KD. I never said it was a good wave, it was a very bad move, but those moves happens now and then. Just like Elit did a bad move and done countless of bad moves last ages. Cant take away all the wins from you, you done very good as a warring KD, but many moves can be debatted and it makes Simians look like saints the last couple of ages compared to AMA.

I dont claim you farm out every age, i claim you farm out when you do stupid things (i.e. To set yourselves up for farmout).

Ama did not 2v1 you, you simply were not hostile. You cant hit someone that is already hostile and claim that you are hostile too. And ama did not wave you to help pyro, we waved you because you told you wanted a war, we had a choice of waving simians or a bigger but less drafted kd and picked simians because you are known to push button and war.

You have no business being invovled in this gb anri, ama did not wrong you earlier this age. You alreadyg bed ama 2 ages ago so you cant use that as a reason to carry it over to this age. And you certainly dont condone fair play because if you did you would have stepped in many times when I was getting **** played in rage or when some other solo kd was being ****played or when rbl was dealbroke on by strippers.

People are involved for 3 reasons:
1. To win a crown (pyro/rbl/havoc)
2. Because they hate ama
3. Because they couldn't beat ama 1v1 in a fair war and want revenge/satisfaction the only way they can get it.

I said this before and I'll say it again, if pyro crowns if will be a joke crown no one will recognize and laugh at them if they try to claim it because they had 0 chance to win until ama hit havoc. Their crown will be worth as much as any other joke crown based on dealbreaks/farmouts/gbs

[Proteus]

LOL. Oh man.. I'm dying laughing atm.

I'm glad i was able to make you laugh, I've been laughing at your posts for ages now as i always thought it funny how you consider yourself a big time intellectual (as far from the truth as you can get).

[Soul_Hunter]

Nor did we war you when you gave us button by misstake and begged for CF.

I was replying to flutterby. The claims that Simians "always" wars :)

[faegan]

What does all of this have to do with AMA dealbreaking CR again?

Uhm American Badass was advocating a "rulebook" to prevent ****play. Very noble, but I don't think we need more rules. I love the current setup where you have to actually trust people's word and aren't blocked from "doing something nasty" by game mechanics.

You wanna cheat on your wife? Fine, nothing stopping you from doing it...just don't come crying when your wife cleans you out financially...

[Anri]

I was replying to flutterby. The claims that Simians "always" wars :)

If you had waved us 1 on 1 or gave us location we would have given you the button or you would have given us the button and you would have had your war.
You just wanted to get an edge on us and therefor there was no war. Its just being pathetic to think Simians backs out of wars and claim that we do when we love to war and would love to challenge AMA in a war. We dont care if you are some kind of unstopable machine in war that would crush us or whatever. We want the war to see exactly how good you are. We warred most KDs on the server over the ages and we missed out on AMA thus far. Its not about winning or losing, its more about seeing exactly how good you are and if you would not beat Simians, then shame on you for saying you are the best **** out there.