AMA & BB ruin the game

[goodz]

I was demanding to war on equal terms. But they are too cowardly to war me on equal terms!

[TommyB]

To say that pew did not work to bring themselves into a position to do so is also patently false. Pew FAILED to do so, but to say pew did not TRY is simply wrong.

I never said anything against Pew2, from looking at charts and what was available in forums seemed like they were doing a good job.

My beef is that AFTER they failed to keep their acres you start going on a forum rampage against the very idea of collecting acres in the first place. So when things were looking good it was no problem but when the attempt failed then whoring is evil and killing the game. Ah well, you probably never said that either.

The whole idea of giving away an advantage in order to get a war is just not compatible with going for land crown as war isn't a goal in itself, just a means to get acres and knock out a competitor. What's wrong with playing for a clearly defined goal and doing your best to achieve it?

Maximouse just did the same thing saying AMA didn't want to war them.. I'm pretty sure AMA would have warred them but they didn't want to give anything away for free. Which is hardly surprising considering their history.

[TommyB]

I was demanding to war on equal terms. But they are too cowardly to war me on equal terms!

No one can war you on equal terms and you know it. You're just too goodz.

[SnirpsneR]

Just to correct you on something. It was AMA who didnt want to war CR. Not the other way around. And there was never any notice between AMA and CR. We actualy asked AMA to war us. AMA's goal is acres and not wars, and a CF deal or comming for us when we couldnt war them were both better scenario's to get acres then a war with us would be.

BB earlier didnt want to war us either. They came for us when we didnt have any chance to war them rather then give us time to train up to war them.

In both cases CR wouldnt have hesitated to war either of them if we had been given time to train up. That would mean warring them with a cow, science, wpa, size, gc stock disadvantage. In both cases, both KD's didnt want war (besides perhaps a complete farmwar we would never give them), but they wanted acres. Which given their position and presumed goals is a fair choice.

Eh, didnt you come to us after we trained up asking for a cf?

[Sheister]

My beef is that AFTER they failed to keep their acres you start going on a forum rampage against the very idea of collecting acres in the first place. So when things were looking good it was no problem but when the attempt failed then whoring is evil and killing the game. Ah well, you probably never said that either.

Once again you misconstrue. I was going off about BB could not just war when they had 5 out of 6 advantages, instead they had to abuse the bounce mechanic before they could even give relations and then abuse it again and STILL not give button. It was and is a scummy and cowardly way to play the game. Pew was whoring, got cornered into a war because Tox did not want to be a bad guy and BB could not accept that and had to push it even further. Its just scummy.

Then the champions of BB's conduct stated that the goal was not to war, but to seek to maximize acres and I misunderstood the goal of BB. Fine I accept that BB only seeks to gain acres. Then they turn around and say "oh no, we want fun wars" Well thats bull. BB does not want wars, they want structured acres collections. Again, that is fine, just stop pretending that you want to have fun wars and encouraging people that want to enjoy the game to grow up into range of you when all you are going to do is power play them into a structured acres collection. Play your top utopia crap with the other two kingdoms that want to do that garbage and let everyone else enjoy the game free from your garbage. Stop preaching that everyone should grow or seek to gain acres, stop preaching that you welcome competition at the top, etc. etc. etc.

The whole idea of giving away an advantage in order to get a war is just not compatible with going for land crown as war isn't a goal in itself, just a means to get acres and knock out a competitor. What's wrong with playing for a clearly defined goal and doing your best to achieve it?

It was not "giving away an advantage" it was "not pressing for further advantages."

Maximouse just did the same thing saying AMA didn't want to war them.. I'm pretty sure AMA would have warred them but they didn't want to give anything away for free. Which is hardly surprising considering their history.

I can't speak to that.

[Elldallan]

It's almost like you quoted half of what someone said even as the other half refutes your response.

TLDR: 7/10 of the top 10 have warred an average amount. People who claim they just want to war can do things that ama/bb might not be willing to do to get those wars(as evidenced by the 7 in the top 10 that do want to war). If ama/bb were largely interested in warring then each could have had wars this age very easily.

I didn't say they were largely interested in warring, obviously their main focus is elsewhere.
Just saying that a war at this time would probably benefit them(and thus something they'd be interested in having but probably only beyond a certain point in the age) but nobody in their right mind would war them now.

[Zauper]

I didn't say they were largely interested in warring, obviously their main focus is elsewhere.
Just saying that a war at this time would probably benefit them(and thus something they'd be interested in having but probably only beyond a certain point in the age) but nobody in their right mind would war them now.

They asked us to make an offer for a fair war, we did (it didn't require them to stop growing or drop), and they declined because they decided they'd rather wave us oow instead. So we gave acres.

/shrug

The reality is that not warring is beneficial up until the point where you need to war to shift acres around, because you can always wave the kds as they come out of wars. Being able to use your pool and prep for longer is a substantial advantage.

[Maximouse]

Eh, didnt you come to us after we trained up asking for a cf?

Didnt Elit tell you we contacted him right around the time koala's surrendered and asked if AMA was interrested in giving us time to atleast train up and in return for that favour we would war them.

That would have been a war against CR with cow, stock, military, science and wpa advantage for AMA. You guys declined for understandable reasons (war wouldnt help with your goal as waving us right out of eowcf would), but dont go claim CR would be scared to war either AMA or BB while at serious disadvantages.

With both BB and AMA, CR was certainly willing to war with disadvantages. The only thing we didnt want to do was get into a farmwar cause we didnt even have enough time to train up decently.

[topsy's revenge]

taking acres for cf over warring is less risk but at this stage/situation far less reward. If ama had warred us where we were 100k and they were 130k or so and they had the extra days of prep as they would have then i think it would have been pretty easy to get more than 18k acres if they won the war. 12k from ww even if due to core sizes they don't gain any acres in the war. Then they would have probably had 5-6 provs chained and each would have likely had 1.5k acres to whore minimum so that's another 7.5k. Furthermore lots of the shuffled acres would ahve gone to those 15k provs that could have free farmed. Warring would have hardly been a poor plan for them assuming they had faith in their ability as a kd/setup.

[Sheister]

With both BB and AMA, CR was certainly willing to war with disadvantages. The only thing we didnt want to do was get into a farmwar....

Careful maximouse, they might just start saying you are ranting and complaining.....

[SnirpsneR]

Didnt Elit tell you we contacted him right around the time koala's surrendered and asked if AMA was interrested in giving us time to atleast train up and in return for that favour we would war them.

That would have been a war against CR with cow, stock, military, science and wpa advantage for AMA. You guys declined for understandable reasons (war wouldnt help with your goal as waving us right out of eowcf would), but dont go claim CR would be scared to war either AMA or BB while at serious disadvantages.

With both BB and AMA, CR was certainly willing to war with disadvantages. The only thing we didnt want to do was get into a farmwar cause we didnt even have enough time to train up decently.

Yes, you did come to us asking to war us a week or so later. And we didn't give you that time. Still didn't mean we didnt want a war when we waved. You then approached us a bit before we wanted to wave.

[Maximouse]

Like I said, you surely wanted a farmwar. You didnt want a war with us when you had to give us time to train up though which is understandable ofcourse. We were willing to war. We were not willing to farm out which is exactly what would have happened if we had warred you right out of our eowcf. And we all know that.

So just like BB, AMA was only interrested in a complete farmwar. A war in which you had cow, science, wpa, gcstock and total military advantage but with us trained up in full warbuilds wasnt something you wanted.

[ciupi]

what's all this blabling about? AMA &BB are cool!

[goodz]

One time snirpsner said he was going to nap break me and kill my province for hitting DN in their war. Turned out he didn't have the balls. Just sayin'

Or perhaps matty didn't let him- either way goodz 1 snirpsner 0

[SnirpsneR]

One time snirpsner said he was going to nap break me and kill my province for hitting DN in their war. Turned out he didn't have the balls. Just sayin'

Or perhaps matty didn't let him- either way goodz 1 snirpsner 0

good times:P Tho i doubt matty had anything to do with it.