Age 66 potental changes

[smercjd]

I still think sages could use a tiny nerf to 30-35%. I've played sage over the past few ages (bank and attacker) I've been able to keep my self extremely op proof and its kinda silly. If the server reverts to human/dorf sages again we should just keep everything the same as age 63/64 or whatever it was.

I mean...IF sage gets nerfed in the sci effect category, they should gain SOMETHING else...tbh I prefer the free sci from acres on sage than human.

So adding this to the other opinions that sage is too strong with +40%...what about
Sage
+20% science effectiveness
All research rates available at all times (fort, war, etc)
Schools and libraries provide 2x jobs
Access to amnesia
+40,000 books

And might be too late/difficult to make such changes

[handofthrawn]

I know what undead need the extra Gen that would balance everything out.

[calamity]

Thanks about the stuff you liked!! Hope it gets implemented!!

You don't think halfling with +20% pop (had +15%), +1 stealth (already had), +50% tpa, and -50% thief cost(already had), and even cheaper elites is enough of a buff?? And if they picked war hero, they would get the +1 o spec (with 20% pop they could hybrid AT pretty well).

I personally did think cleric was too strong this age, but it could be as you say... Due to overplayed and war necessity. Which is why noticing some key things: halfling w no hospitals, human with less gains, off with more kills, and if undead off losses were needed back to -50%...cleric suddenly because buffed. And emerald dragons, which again buffs clerics because they become the only static -mil loss besides undead. Additionally, removing of from dwarf gives cleric another tiny boost.

Hmm...I get what you're saying about humans. And unfortunately, I'll have to just say I can't really decide until I see it in action...I think that humans will be high preference in warring kds and less so in whoring...but I really don't k is so I'll back out of this debate lol. :)

I played Orc Warrior this age, while my monarch went Orc Cleric. While there were subtle differences, we practically ran the same build and the only differences between the two provinces was the amount of offense I could muster, and some little benefit he got from not losing as much on attacks, but realistically, it wasn't that noticeable, since everyone's defense in a war just gradually dies off anyways. So while longevity is a great thing, it wasn't as noticeable as I thought it would be. And well, it was a trade off between pitfalls and bloodlust, and I always asked for PF before I hit somebody:)

Edit: Also, 10% hospitals goes a long way for non-clerics as well.

Halfer, according to my calcs, are about on par with elves and dwarves, and that's with those proposed changes. Without them, like I said, they fall below avian and fit into the category of just a t/m race. I don't know why I don't like that, but seems like if they are a dedicated t/m races, screw it, up their defense, since they are sort of one-dimensional anyways.

[Anatak1989]

I may as well say that I like the +1 off spec on War Hero too. Could be interesting to give War Hero +1 general though (obviously pick only one of these buffs haha). We'd see a better balance of attacking races this way I think.

[Andurilas]

+1 general on elf!

[handofthrawn]

Sorry I was in a hurry before. If you gave the extra Gen to undead they would be capable of doing as much damage as orc and put up as much offense as a human. This would help balance it out. Plus avians generally don't have enough offense to hit someone 5 times. So the extra Gen is a waste. That would make all 4 attacking races balanced and hopefully we don't just have orc clerics and humans again.

[RedPanda]

+1 general on elf!

That would be interesting... being usually Elves will suffer from having too much generals but not enough troops/off to use all of the generals and in a way makes kinda sense ironically (longer lived race having more generals).

[TommyB]

Uh no...
Running 5% libraries with 2x library effectiveness bonus AND having +25% innate science effectiveness is already more than +40% science effectiveness...

Assuming the proposed double effectiveness works like dens for rogues, 5% libs would act like 10% libs which would be +18% science effectiveness. 1.25*1.18 = +47.5% science. On the other side we have +40% and 5% libs giving +9.5% => 1.4*1.095 = +53.3% science.

Now let's do the same thing for 20% libs. 1.4*1.32 = +84.8% science vs. 1.25*1.48 = +85% science. About parity I'd say.

Would be interesting to see your math unless you're just guessing?

[Zauper]

I mean...IF sage gets nerfed in the sci effect category, they should gain SOMETHING else...tbh I prefer the free sci from acres on sage than human.

So adding this to the other opinions that sage is too strong with +40%...what about
Sage
+20% science effectiveness
All research rates available at all times (fort, war, etc)
Schools and libraries provide 2x jobs
Access to amnesia
+40,000 books

And might be too late/difficult to make such changes

You would make sage the only personality with a penalty (extra jobs)?

[tiggis]

The +1 off spec for War Hero is a good suggestion, and makes the personality a lot more usable for all races.

Brilliant.
What it does is make hybrid possible.
That is good for the game.

[jmiedema]

Yea i had noticed that too. I assume he means schools and libraries require 50% less peasants to fill their job quota. Rounded up i guess as to not have half jobs having to be coded.

[smercjd]

Assuming the proposed double effectiveness works like dens for rogues, 5% libs would act like 10% libs which would be +18% science effectiveness. 1.25*1.18 = +47.5% science. On the other side we have +40% and 5% libs giving +9.5% => 1.4*1.095 = +53.3% science.

Now let's do the same thing for 20% libs. 1.4*1.32 = +84.8% science vs. 1.25*1.48 = +85% science. About parity I'd say.

Would be interesting to see your math unless you're just guessing?

Lol I guess you're right ^_^

You would make sage the only personality with a penalty (extra jobs)?

Yea i had noticed that too. I assume he means schools and libraries require 50% less peasants to fill their job quota. Rounded up i guess as to not have half jobs having to be coded.

Uh...I meant whatever makes sense lol..
For their schools and libraries to not be more effective but to not exhaust jobs for BE to be higher in general. (Combos mostly with Dwarf but could also combo with halfling pretty well).

Brilliant.
What it does is make hybrid possible.
That is good for the game.

Yay!! More support!!! :D

+1 general on elf!

That would be interesting... being usually Elves will suffer from having too much generals but not enough troops/off to use all of the generals and in a way makes kinda sense ironically (longer lived race having more generals).

I mean...I feel like if you guys want elves buffed +1 gen isn't going to accomplish much...but maybe I'm not seeing something obvious that you guys are???

I like the self spells costing less mana.
But that's sort of a small bonus except for dice/ToG/and nb for plague

[Palem]

Edit your post if you're post a bunch of responses smerc...geez lol

[StratOcastle]

Edit your post if you're post a bunch of responses smerc...geez lol

If we could've brought this much action to irc...

Anyways, I'm thinking a ~ smercjd & cJ: thoughts ~ sticky* should be added to utopia talk.

Otherwise, all the changes are cool with me and will be in The Virtual Kingdom where I'll attempt to get a synergy mesh going. Haven't applied any second stage thinking yet for hidden strengths. Maybe some espresso and a cigar would help.

[smercjd]

Edit your post if you're post a bunch of responses smerc...geez lol

Sorry on a phone and YOU KNOW I suck at interneting

LOLOLOLOL at c-c-c-combo breaker!!! Hahaha. So I kicked butt with fulgore orchid cinder and jago