Quote Originally Posted by Palem View Post
You started a "task force" or whatever to raze people who play in a way you don't agree with. Now I'm not saying you're right or you're wrong, but how is that any different than what everyone else already does? You're trying to force (quite literally) people into playing a certain way. Just like what you feel is being done to you, only when it's you doing it for what you feel is good, it's for the betterment of the game, but when other people do it for things they feel are for the better of the game, which happen to oppose you, they are "morally corrupt" and bullies. I'm just asking where the difference is...?


Also, I didn't say the community razes first and asks questions later. People generally look into things to make sure they aren't going to make themselves look like fools. All I'm saying is every kingdom will handle things the way they think it needs to handled, with as much evidence as they think they need.
Palem you are welcome to stop by any time. #pluribus on irc utonet. That is not at all what we are doing. As a matter of fact I was just yelled at by a monarch for "just" sending a mail instead of hitting. The mail did however end the conflict, without being threatening. And after 5 minutes of cool down the yeller, who was clearly frustrated and understandably agitated, realized that this fixed the situation for his kingdom as well as the opponent.
Essentially we are helping out smaller kingdoms that otherwise would fall through the cracks. Trying to keep it fun for those players.
How is that a bad thing exactly?

Quote Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN View Post
we were 22 players and its fairly reasonable to assume we would lose against 25 player kds in our range.. we were a 22-player kd in 25-player kds range, with little to nothing to do left.. im amazed by your ability to reach conclusions while being so clueless about events/timelines.. before some 'genius' claims we were staying 22 player intentionally, go check our recruitment thread for our efforts to recruit ppl..

also, anyone is welcome to check our growth through age from target finder, and i challange anyone to find us landdropping at some point to feed on ghettos..
Almost every kingdom is always recruiting. I find it hard to believe though that FS couldn't find more players. Also since you have the logs you know you first tried to convince the other monarch that you "aren't really that good". And not till after he called your bluff did you tell him that they never stood a chance in war against you, but they should war you anyway because you promised terms that would inflict less pain than the kingdom in range they wanted to war.

Very much like in our case when after I found out it was your kingdom you said things like "If I had known it was you, things would have went differently". You knew it was me, I signed my msg with my name. And another case of "oh, I am not in game monarch so I don't know". You not seeing the message is highly unlikely.

Citadela , we did none of those things you accuse us of. I tried , starting during the WSK vs SS war, to show Francis that his actions hurt the game, the player base. Several people did.

The Alliance argues they don't like what FS is doing but they have no way to police it because it isn't against the rules of the game or "the community"
I am saying if the community thinks it's wrong it should be against their rules.
How is it less bad if someone discourages lots of people to continue playing, than if someone breaks a deal with a kingdom that most likely has the fortitude to strike back another time for example? Is a crown more important than the future of Utopia?