Sheister vs Sampuan

[s7ark]

there's nothing i would say that haven't been said. i envy sampuan's patience in dealing with FS' fans. also, none of FS are complaining about 'size is power', just lack of sportsmanship?

[Smitty87]

Hmmm I don't think FS is complaining about getting waved, you are missing the point it seems. Pyro is RAZING, I repeat the form of attack they are using is RAZE, you don't raze if it's not out of spite or punishment for something else. What did FS do that warrants punishing acts against them? They refused to WD when the almighty unbeatable Pyro told them to? I can't believe this is even a point of discussion tbh, but whatever, this game is full of people and people are weird so I guess stuff like that will happen.

If it's the oor orcs razing then ofc they raze. Raze has a base attack time that isn't altered by size diff. For example an 800k orc TMing a 400k faery would give a 20+ hr attack time whereas an 800k orc Razing a 400k TM would give a 12hr attack time. Plus it would destroy alor more land than a TM would take, hence doing a lot more dmg with a lower attack time.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Why do they want to raze the TMs? It doesn't give them land/science/honor/gc/runes/bushels.

[citadela01]

You cant raze away loss from your kd page ;)

[Smitty87]

No , but it does lower their defence to make them breakable by In range attackers

[Aranfein]

Francis maybe I didn't clarify my post proper, I meant to say Pyro should have bounced waved earlier when they were still in position to do so, rather then think it was a war win already.

They could still have won by that time if I was informed correctly, that fact that they became over confident/slacking because of how things looked/dragged, is ofc on them for not closing the bag when they had FS far into it.

Razing is a viable option to lower defence and bring TMs into range for chained core.

[MyNameIsMatija]

You cant raze away loss from your kd page ;)

Maybe they mistook raze for erase, it does sound kind of similar.

[Sheister]

Francis maybe I didn't clarify my post proper, I meant to say Pyro should have bounced waved earlier when they were still in position to do so, rather then think it was a war win already.

They could still have won by that time if I was informed correctly, that fact that they became over confident/slacking because of how things looked/dragged, is ofc on them for not closing the bag when they had FS far into it.

Razing is a viable option to lower defence and bring TMs into range for chained core.

Meh, people read too much into this. It was a gross across the board failure of basic province management in war (imho). People blindly rebuilding into their same starting builds instead of drifting their builds to adapt to what is happening in the war.

I thought it was all obvious what to do, but I guess it was not.

[Swagger]

Seems pretty clear that whatever is going on in Pyro is rooted in failed leadership. There are times in war where massacres/razes/learns are the most efficient hit, it just so happens that FS gets to that point much more frequently than other kds. Pyro lost because they didn't know how to adapt or lost the will to fight, that is a leadership failure either way. Now they are bottom feeding out of spite because of their own failures, another failure of leadership.

Any way you look at this, Pyro has gone from a respectable kd to a despicable one. Way to destroy your reputation. How some people are siding with Pyro in this is beyond me.

[Touchdown]

I play in pyro. I was against the wd in the first place but we did anyway. Next best option is to take the ww resources however we can. No sense in crying about size difference. FS gave us that advantage.

[Aranfein]

Swagger same way some are siding with FS... Friendship

Sheister I wouldn't know about that, if people didn't manage provs accordingly during war, it falls on leadership to keep them in check though, unless you assume all your players know what they are doing, but even then you should check and make sure either by intel or by asking. - I understand that's not easy when you're tired after 4+ days of war, that's why you assign a vice or a council to take up that mantle.

End of the day FS deserved the win, whether they played to drag or not, turning back on a friendly kd to remove ww resources course you are hurt, by the way FS got their win, seems pretty petty to me.. Don't get me wrong you are in your right to do so, and I can appreciate you WD in favourable position to do just that, but just like I said to Francis in our talks early last age (I think it was), "Just course you can, doesn't mean you have to".

[Gorash]

You cant raze away loss from your kd page ;)

LMAO, you put a big smile on my face.. ;)

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

I play in pyro. I was against the wd in the first place but we did anyway. Next best option is to take the ww resources however we can. No sense in crying about size difference. FS gave us that advantage.

who is crying about size difference? you already have that size advantage before we even agreed to war at all, you could claim some resources without losing a war beforehand.. i still dont get what are you guyz up to honestly, i almost feel like you will try to use this to evade some other kd..

[Touchdown]

why cant this dispute be in one thread? sigh. again, pyro, you complain about the long war and yet come back for more? i am aware warring tier would usually want stats to be in their favor before asking for war, but heck do you really need to be 20k bigger to beat fs? we all witnessed how you couldnt beat them on fair grounds (even after all that talk about fs wont be able to turn it around.. bla bla) but 20k bigger? really?

By the quote it seems he doesn't play in fs though. If size is not an issue we should war again.

Btw I'm in no way discrediting fs ww. I thought we would still win but others preferred using eowcf mechanics to speed the process of taking some honor and science.

[MyNameIsMatija]

You are not discrediting FS the win in any way but you think Pyro would still win? Great.