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    Quote Originally Posted by Anri View Post
    Ahh yes, i acted as a blocker vs absalom pretty much every single age back then. I still believe it was way better back then compared to how it is now. The small KDs with skills and knowledge could defend itself and hold its ground better, it often lost land but could still cripple the top KD somewhat. Also you could enter a mintime war and cover your losses very good vs the bigger and stronger KD, you could play it smart and even outgain them by min time. Without the WW bonus the top was less aggressive and greedy for land, they had to fight for it much harder. On top of this if banks ran low def you could nail them hardcore for it, preventing them from pumping on low def. Its just a bunch of things that made the separation between the top and the rest as big as it is today. There is pretty much nothing you can do to defend vs a bigger KD today and that is just VERY bad.
    If we were to fix these problems the game would become so much better. But i never seen Bishop really address these problems. And lets not talk about science and explore.... Fix the broken things before doing anything else Bishop....
    Ever heard of Greek Gods vs Pyro? It's really easy this age to FSU a KD if you know what you're doing... OOR declaration now gives no WW bonus. Sure, the top KD can take a bit of bank land, but you can utterly destroy their core in the process.

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    Which is also wrong and counterproductive (imho). But every time something gets adjusted because smalls are too favored or bigs are too favored it turns into something that just makes things imbalanced further. Some later age, the pendulum will swing back and then the small KDs will be crying again.

    Its just how utopia is.
    "having fun warring when you have whoring and number 1 as a goal is totally pointless..." - Korp
    "while I heart shiester when we both play serious and are in the same kingdom, I hate shiester on the forums and pretty much disagree with everything he says. Even he knows this." - Flogger asking me out on a date

    The devs have made a decision to kill competitive utopia and have thereby killed my interest with it.

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    I'm just saying this thread stinks of ulterior motives in my opinion and has successfully stirred up silly bickering. It should be in the suggestions forum if it had any sense of respect.

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    What exactly would the suggestion be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palem View Post
    What exactly would the suggestion be?
    1. Remove Traditional March.
    2. Feyrplay representatives become devs.
    3. Emeriti deleted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta View Post
    Uh guys. We're YR7. Age aint over yet. Fat ladies singing and all, remember? Let's agree Emeriti has a very strong position and is unlikely to give it away.
    PewPew has shown the community what can happen. Anyone remember SWEA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by protector View Post
    PewPew has shown the community what can happen. Anyone remember SWEA?
    Nope, wasn't around then. Tell me :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta View Post
    Nope, wasn't around then. Tell me :P
    In short:
    Top10 exploded in a huge gb and farmfest. The allies pewpew, BB, AMA and Simians parted ways and SWEA won the crown because of how ****ty we all handled the situation.
    #?

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    that was a lot of forum pages condensed into two sentences Anri.


    I feel somehow that time was wasted....
    "having fun warring when you have whoring and number 1 as a goal is totally pointless..." - Korp
    "while I heart shiester when we both play serious and are in the same kingdom, I hate shiester on the forums and pretty much disagree with everything he says. Even he knows this." - Flogger asking me out on a date

    The devs have made a decision to kill competitive utopia and have thereby killed my interest with it.

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    That seems a potentially very profitable situation should history repeat itself. What are you guys waiting for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta View Post
    Nope, wasn't around then. Tell me :P
    Here you go...
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    Mod warning: do not quote this monster in your reply.

    Narrated by Morgan Freeman

    This tale will start with a quote that inspired SWEA at the beginning of this age.The scene is between Sir Varys and Lord Baelish from the Game of Thrones:

    "Varys: But what do we have left, once we abandon the lie (truth)? Chaos? A gaping pit waiting to swallow us all.

    Baelish: Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, given a chance to climb, they refuse. They cling to the realm, or the gods, or love. Illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is."



    SWEA:s main goal this age was Chaos and within 3 ages make Absalom disband, that was our mission, SWEA wanted to go FSU but saw early that SWEA could be in the top if SWEA played our cards right. SWEA were going to climb the ladder. But before I reveal everything about SWEA, the dealbreaks, Anri forgetting End of Age CF, fooling Elit and rest of the community, I want to start from the beginning. Welcome to the fantastic tale of the climb to the Crown ? The SWEA story!


    The making of SWEA:

    Age 58, freeze time, Nagul had just quit because of Petrified bad attitude and zero people skills. Mansoor felt that the game wasn?t fun anymore, he wanted to create something new, something that would be tough to achieve, so he decided to leave Pew Pew in freeze time to creat a new kingdom, a kingdom full of swedes. But it was tough, finding a kingdom who you would need to kill off and start from the scratch. Mansoor wasn?t sure about this idea as he wasn?t the most active one, did he have the time for it? Was it going to be a failure? He decided to think about it and after one week into age 57 he decided to make a kingdom. He talked to his old friend Fizzloges who were monarch in a ghetto. Mansoor persuaded him to invite him and make a kingdom with only swedes. They killed off all the infidels in the kingdom except some big faeries which were hard to kill so they kept them. They invite Nagul right away and the work had begun. Marcus and Folle joined and the kingdom was growing nicely.

    They managed to get Stinger at absnet thanks to Folle and Marcus and decided on a kingdom name suggested by Nagul. Swedish Warlords Epic Alliance ? SWEA. One by one they joined, and the age was just about to get a full kd age 58 which would be first real age for SWEA. Surprisingly SWEA grew fast and was top 5 at one point before being in a famous Raze retalwar against HoH at the end of the age. Before this SWEA had waved Sanctuary of Absalom when they were #1, at that time SWEA had 8 people in the kd. At age end SWEA had almost a full kd and the rooster for Age 58 was following:

    Mansoor - A legend to the utopian community.

    Nagul - Real life hunter who kills at least one animal per week. Nagul was an experienced player which had played with Mansoor in PewPew and they became good friends fast.

    Fizzloges - Old timer that has crazy ideas and always want to find loop holes and surprisingly find many of this. Never listens, always go high off, zero defense or tpa.

    Filip - Monarch of infamous kingdom of Zenobias Zealots. Made a comeback in pewpew where he went MIA because of an accident in Thailand and joined SWEA. Annoying player who always complains but is correct 99% of the time.

    T0bias - Brother to filip and old ZZ player. He also can?t stand his brother complains. A family man with kids who goes to sleep early but still manages to play properly. Really surprised me with his activity despite busy family life.

    Ploy - Joined end of age 57, very skillful player who hits 24/7. Was unknown to Mansoor but a great recruitment for SWEA. Played in many good warring kingdoms before. Orc king this age congrats!

    Kekotaliban - Was recruited after he attacked Mansoor, then castied greed, storms for free. Attacking crazy and land horny player. Always want to start a fight. Possible ADHD victim!

    Korp - Old timer, who is the most annoying player in utopia. SPGC disbanded and Mansoor knew Korp for long time. Korp is the most inactive player who still manages to grow. No logic. Will handle diplomacy for SWEA in Age 59.

    Oden - Penis loving joker who always makes people laugh. Totally unknown player who was recruited when Mansoor sent random messages to kingdoms. Oden replied and joined the kingdom of SWEA. Will handle diplomacy for SWEA in age 59.

    Daddio - Came from Warring kd, very skilled player who is also a family man but still managed to play at top level. Part of SWEA leadership and good strategist in wars.

    Benny - Recruited by Daddio, he stole him from his old kd. Benny has been a great asset to SWEA and came in late last age but blended in perfectly. Active player with a mind to FSU.

    Splongen - Came in very late, recruited by Daddio. Beginning of the time Mansoor thought he was complete noob but he grew slowly and proved Mansoor totally wrong. Skillful player who has a busy real life but always come online when messaged.

    Justin Sane - Leadership in SWEA. History unknown. Skills unknown. Who was this guy? He took charge in Rage war and was big part SWEA won. Handled lots of diplomacy and aggressive player. He always knew what to do in difficult situation. One of the best in the game.

    Beck - Early recruitment from Mansoor, had to push him to leave his kd and beginning of age 58 he left the kd and joined SWEA. Very skilled player who is very active and skilled. Took long time to recruit but Mansoor was very pleased.

    Kneten - Best whorer that has ever played this game. Doesn?t matter what age, he plays he will be in top. Mansoor persuaded him to start playing again, wasn?t too hard. Old school player.

    Suntzu - Totally unknown player that Mansoor took in, knew nothing about him. First two weeks Mansoor thought he was Absalom spy. Not much on irc but always kept army in army out which pleased Mansoor more and more as the age went by.

    Kaosarn - Recruited by Nagul, old timer who works in a cave in north Sweden. Sadly not any reception in the cave but Kaosarn still managed to time his hits and played very good.

    Hassel - Mansoor said no to recruit him as he was totally newbie an old timer that forgotten the game. Never played for a top kingdom. Beck said he would take responsibility and that SWEA should let him join. Mansoor thought he was Absalom spy for almost 2 weeks before he relized that Hassel was one of the best players in the kingdom. Mansoors paranoia almost made him loose a great player.

    Lews - Legend from SPGC, got recruited along with Korp. Experienced player who knows what to do and knows the game. Top class material.

    Anacreon - Mansoors mentor from a decade ago. Anacreon messaged Mansoor and said hi, Mansoor almost started crying and started mission make Anacreon join SWEA. He acted all hard to get in the beginning but joined SWEA. Anacreon is the found of Attacking Vikings, only old school players from the end of 90:s will remember him. Big name for SWEA.

    Mike - Awesome player who knew how to grow. Always came online to hit and never missed a wave. A treat to have him in the kd. Sadly leaving SWEA, he will be missed.

    Maddog aka Madde - Great addition to the SWEA family, very active and aggressive. Sacrificed his province several times for the kd. True kd player and very active.

    Nikke - Nikke was recruited by Nagul and basically a newbie who never played in a good kingdom. Nagul thought him the game and took responsibility to teach him. Nikke is one of the main reason why this game still has hopes. He tried and learned the game and the way in the top very fast and now is a solid SWEA player. Not much on irc but talking regularly on whatsapp. Got a daughter that takes lots of his time.

    Thor2 - A Swede living in Korea. Just like Lews he has a thing for Korean women. Was recruited when he asked to join the kd through ingame. Totally unknown but solid player who despite got bad wave times cause of his time shift still managed to attend most waves.

    Martin - The most dedicated player Mansoor ever played with. Was head hunted personally by Mansoor to join SWEA. Best target finder in the game, you need a target? He will find you three! SWEA leadership. Sadly Martin is quitting the game after Province Crowning. A good end for a great dedicated player who spent lots of time to help his kingdom mates. Have a great retirement Martin, you earned it. SWEA will pray for your return.


    Age 58 The Age of SWEA

    During freeze time the kingdom setup was discussed and SWEA together went with 9 Orc Merchants, 6 Human Mystics, 3 Faery Mystic, 2 Faery Rogues and 5 Halfling Rogues. A longlasting retalwar hostile setup, which would also do good for warring and whoring. End of age CF was in place with BB, and old friend of Mansoor, Protector was one of the leaders in Beastblood age 58. As SWEA seemed like a ghetto who could only act to slow down Absalom Beastblood gave the end of age CF. Pewpew gave the end of age CF in age 57 as SWEA helped Pewpew with giving gangbangprotection. Absalom kingdoms were the main goal.

    Age started with SWEA emptying the whole pool and whored for a week. Amazingly this semi active kingdom who had a rule that you do not have to wake up in the middle of the night to attack was growing very fast. Pewpew warring Sanc left Rage and Havoc in top. HoH was now a ghetto ruled by some mediocre player so they were out of the picture. SWEA waved RAGE of Absalom as they were going to FSU. A complete new gang who never had a real war together waved one of the better kingdoms. A lot of diplomacy was made and after SWEA wave, SWEA demanded 5 free hits for halflers. Mansoor wanted to CF and grow some more and he didn?t know the potential of his crew. JustinSane and lots of people wanted to fully wave and when Rage said that SWEA should dare to give button and not be cowards and declined our 5 free halflers hits they fully waved. The utopian community expected a total Simian style farm out. Anti abs were very mad as they thought auto win for Rage. JustinSane was smart and explored two faeries and doubled them up before war. UB faeries with good income. War started and Rage made an amazing first wave, their activity was flawless. But SWEA hanged in the and after 36 hours SWEA had 11 unbreakables, mostly halflers and human mystics packed with WT:s. Rage tried to take them down but were failing. SWEA knew they had the upper hand but RAGE were cocky and Mansoor starting his deceiving play.

    Midwar Mansoor talked to Rage and told them they could end war now, they get free warwin. Mansoor knew Bishop would delete both kd:s if this happened so he tried to fool Coss and Proteus (who were doing diplo but not playing??). Coss wasn?t that easy to fool as he knew Bishop wouldn?t approve so the war continued. Now Mansoor knew Rage would get cocky and think they won the war. Mansoor kept congratulating Rage and begged them not to deep chain and spare his kingdom and in the same time in private channel SWEA activity was rising and people felt confident of winning long war against human sages. Rage had 0 unbreakables. Mansoor kept messaging Coss and 30 minutes before minimum time he ordered t0bias to keep hitting as SWEA didn?t want to keep t0bias army at home, after t0bias hit Mansoor messaged Coss again and begged for mercy as his "noob" hit despite orders of no more hits. Coss said it was my problem and not his, Coss semi suicide with his halflers and did max gain wave. 10 minutes before SWEA could withdraw Mansoor congratulated Coss for the victory and hoped for end of war CF. Coss was so cocky that he told his kd to raze buildings so that they would free buildcredits. Coss razed all his WT:s on his faery and after the tick, SWEA waved down the halflers.


    Coss relising he been played

    Coss relised he had been played and deceived by SWEA. Coss contacted Mansoor and threatened him that he will now take it personal against me and will war all age and crush SWEA. Proteus then messaged Mansoor saying, good you didn?t surrender, we want long age, the longer the better. SWEA went on and raped Rage of Absalom. Coss faery was AW:ed, halflers were chained down. They had nothing, no mystics with wpa, no rogues in range to make damage for our ub and SWEA was gaining more and more. Rage of Absalom, flagship of Absalom surrendered to SWEA, a newly formed kingdom that had a rule that no one has to wake up at night to hit. SWEA was top of the table after the win. SWEA was euphoric and happy to have beaten Rage and it was obvious Rage was not going to get back. Coss and his gang left Rage after the humiliating defeat, leaving Rage in pieces, fallen. Proteus was missing and not doing diplo and claiming he isn?t playing and doesn?t care. That Rage wasn?t Rage, they didn?t care and so on. A lot of excuses but the community knew, the new ghetto Swede kingdom had beaten one of the best kingdoms in Utopia. It was a fact! SWEA was top of the table, climbing the ladder.

    Top of the table

    As SWEA was top of the table, they started doing good diplo, got end of age CF with RAGE, end of age cf with other kds in the top. And the only kd they didn?t have end of age CF was with Havoc, Haswell and AMA. Haswell felt like the easiest kd to fight against so SWEA put effort to fight Haswell and their CF went out Year 3. But Haswell got a farm war against Old HoH. Haswell became big and SWEA was still in top so SWEA felt better to Whore and offered Haswell another CF. Haswell turned it down and said they are going to war SWEA. SWEA said that Pewpew is also waiting for Haswell to come out. That they will be in a 2vs1 if they do not CF. Haswell again said no problem we will war SWEA. SWEA said ok, no matter what, this will make SWEA pump and nothing will stop SWEA from hitting Haswell, not even if they try to run into a war with someone else. Haswell yet again said no problem we will war SWEA.

    SWEA now pumped up and as SWEA has some old Pewpew players they knew Petrified would hit the instant Haswell came out. SWEA was in fortified waiting for Haswell to either wave or get waved by pewpew. And as SWEA said nothing will stop them from attacking Haswell, SWEA knew that there was a possibility where we would 2vs1. But as this was confirmed by Haswells monarch Silva he should have been smart and waved. Instead he came out fortified and got waved by Pewpew. Haswell ordered SWEA to give them button but why would SWEA do that? Also Petrified in pewpew knew that SWEA would hit into war if Haswell ran from SWEA, Petrified said ok, he didn?t think SWEA would actually do it. As Haswell didn?t want to give SWEA button and vice versa, Haswell went into war with Pewpew. SWEA went aggressive stance and raped 15k acres, as promised to both parties that it would have happened. As SWEA knew Haswell were dealbreakers and none would give a rats ass about this hitting into the war SWEA did it knowingly that the community would not punish them. SWEA was once again top of the table, climbing the ladder.


    SWEA and AMA deal behing Simians Back

    SWEA tried getting end of age CF with AMA but Elit knew Absalom was beaten and that they would need war targets later on as this age would determine the winner by winning wars as pool was so limited. AMA and SWEA had year 7 CF with them. They had come out of a war with Havoc and won it and didn?t want to give a long CF but SWEA knew that if HAVOC beat Beastblood AMA need to go round two with HAVOC. So SWEA pushed for long CF and Elit said no, SWEA said fine we war, calling Elits bluff. A day later Elit came back and said ok, year 9 CF with 24 hours notice, SWEA declined and said 72 hours notice. Elit had to bend over and accept it. Now SWEA had 2 weeks were they could finally sci pumped as whole top was CF:ed. They pumped science and continued to do deals with random provinces, hitting them for end of age CF which SWEA never intended to uphold. SWEA hate deals and CF and wanted to cause CHAOS.

    Year 9 was coming closer and SWEA dodged AMA for so long but now that time had come were SWEA had end of age CF:ed everyone in top except AMA. SWEA would have to war them. But out of the blue, from nowhere a possibility rose. Anri, king of Simians contacted Mansoor and said he wanted a CF in written. Mansoor was very confused as he was certain they signed an end of age deal with Simians in week 1. Mansoor went to check his in-game messages and as he expected there was a message from Anri and Simians about confirming end of age CF with Simians. SWEA of course saw an easier war target then AMA and told Anri that ok, let us do a CF with notice. As SWEA had 72 hours notice with AMA, Anri tried to get 72 hours. SWEA gave him 48 hours max as they needed time to wave Simians instead of warring AMA. Simians begged for 72 hours CF and SWEA agreed to do 60 hours as 12 hours is enough time. SWEA was laughing like mad at this strange possibility and that they had an end of age deal that Anri forgot about. Once year 9 hit SWEA noticed Simians and they got all pissed as they now understood how SWEA played them. AMA noticed SWEA a couple of hours after this.

    Now we all know the drama where Simians threatened to hit Haswell into eowcf to dodge SWEA but they didn?t and got waved and later declared and lost the war. During end of war CF SWEA now knew they had to go round 2 with Simians as they had suicidied and did a WD with land. But SWEA knew AMA would come so Mansoor made a deal with AMA behind Simians back knowing Simians will get pissed. SWEA also knew AMA was in trouble as they waved Haswell into their war with Pewpew. SWEA used this and told AMA that they can get one free bank hit asap and then SWEA will promise not to finish #1 and farm out to AMA if needed in case PewPew farmed out to Beastblood. Elit couldn?t say no to this offer and betrayed his ally. Simians came out of end of war CF in normal and Elit wanted SWEA to get land as that land would be Elits later on. So poor Simians was sitting there not retalling as their orcs were really fat and then explored their humans that SWEA conquested down. And the farming began. Later on Simians started to raze. At the same time Mansoor talked to Simians telling them what a douchebag Elit was who dealbroke them and also pushed Pewpew to make a move against AMA.

    Game of Thrones
    Also while trying to push Haswell, Simians and Pewpew to act against AMA and what they have done, SWEA talked nice to AMA, acting like they were their ally, providing intel that pewpew and the other are going to GB or farm out. Elit asked Mansoor what he would have done if he was AMA and Pewpew talked about GB and so on, is it a valid reason to dealbreak. Mansoor answered, look at what we are doing to Simians cause they threatened us. Elit did a smiley and said good to know you feel the same. AMA then dealbroke Pewpew and hit them, exactly what SWEA wanted. SWEA was never going to honor their agreement of giving AMA #1, once AMA would have waved with +4 SWEA would have declared and waved twice in war before AMA troops home. But now as AMA dealbroke Pewpew SWEA had to just sit and watch as they climbed the ladder.

    Pewpew didn?t want AMA to crown so they waved SWEA and were going to war SWEA. Mansoor messaged Elit and said Pewpew suicided so SWEA declared. Mansoor asked Elit to help him or pewpew will rape him as he wanted Elit to hit into the war. Because Mansoor know PewPew, you do not mess with them or they will not care about anything just to mess you up. Elit fell for it and attacked. PewPew got pissed again and waved AMA instead of SWEA.


    The AMA deal

    Mansoor never told his kd about the deal he made with Elit about not crowning. So SWEA people never knew as Mansoor never intended to keep the deal. After strangly being put in vacation mode at least SWEA got time to pump in eowcf. Yet again SWEA was never going to keep the deal but in the deal it was written that Elit would talk to Mansoor before doing anything. He messaged 02.00 am and Mansoor saw that message and knew that if he would answer it Elit would claim the acres. SWEA had just pumped their bank and needed to get a couple of hours to get army in it. Instead Elit didn?t even write he was going to wave, he didn?t care and just waved. He dealbroke, perfect for SWEA. Now they had a reason to not dealbreak themselves. Mansoor meanwhile talked to pewpew, simians and haswell telling them that only way for SWEA to crown is to raze the infidels in AMA.

    A funny note here is that SWEA basically ruined Haswells age by hitting into their war, took pewpews 15k acres as they couldn?t take them from Haswell and ruined Simians chances of crowning. Still these are the three kingdoms that were helping SWEA crown. Hilarious! SWEA then dealbroke AMA as AMA were gaining and well, it is better to act than react. SWEA climbed the ladder and now sits on the Iron Throne with the Crown.


    Epic Win

    Mansoor want to congratulate Martin who has played alongside me for many ages and today he province crowed. Mansoor also want to thank the faeries in the kd that had to sacrifice a lot of growth, Nagul, JustinSane, Benny and Oden. Halflers that were a pain in the rectum, Anacreon, Splongen, Lews, kekotaliban and daddio. SWEA Human that played very strategically, Beck, Mike, Korp, Kneten, Martin and filip. And the lovely Orcs in SWEA. Ploy, Hassel, Fizzloges, Suntzu, Kaosarn, Nikke, Maddog, thor2 and t0bias, without you guys SWEA would never had crown. These are the new Lords of Utopia. Bow for them peasants! Also want to thank Simians, Pewpew and Haswell for keeping AMA busy and BB for not dealbreaking. SWEA is now listening to Kung I Baren by Magnus Uggla. BBQ AT NAGULS!!!!!!!

    SWEA also want to thank Elit, for being so ignorant and believed a snake, never trust a snake. SWEA had so much fun when Elit was crying and how he believed everything Mansoor posted to him. Elit also believed Mansoor when he said he had a spy in his kd. Poor Aos got the blame. There was never a spy Elit so you can relax. SWEA just played you all age, so hard it is almost embarrassing. But SWEA had lots of fun reading all your QQ. Keep it up, one day you might crown with AMA but for now SWEA got the crown!


    Did SWEA deserve it?

    People say SWEA are not worth to crown as they dealbroke, didn?t keep their word and played dishonorably. SWEA were solo kd with a gang of Swedish players not waking up during the night and had a 6-7 hours period were all were asleep. Still they managed to outplay everyone. With hard work, lots of patience and good diplomacy this was fulfilled. The Age of SWEA is a fact. Pre-age it was only one who said SWEA would crown and it was Petrified, he said: Mansoors Ghetto will crown. I don?t think he was serious. This game is a strategic game and nowhere in the rules it says you have to be honorable or keep your deals. SWEA played everyone this age and this age shows that you do not need numbers or the most active player. You need to deceive and adapt. Next age SWEA will CF no one, no notices no deals, don?t even bother asking even if you thought you were best friend of SWEA. Chaos is what is needed.

    "Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, given a chance to climb, they refuse. They cling to the realm, or the gods, or love. Illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is."

    SWEA climbed the ladder, SWEA are the new Lords of Utopia.



    SWEA:
    #1 Kingdom Land
    #1 Kingdom Networth
    #1 Province Land
    #1 Human Land
    #1 Halfling Land & Networth
    #1 Faery Land and Networth
    #1 Orc Land and Networth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta View Post
    From changes. There is your reason for the taxing system this age. I remember my "no notice into notice" terms were laughed away on the forum. As it stands, these deals are the only thing that keeps you save from vulturing. Another option would be to include terms such as "if notice expires during conflict, the KD in conflict will get EOW CF + 3 days to prepare for conflict".

    That and an unwillingness of individual KDs to sacrifice themselves to make the game competitive. Your KD Matija claims it plays without goals. So if it has no goals, why didn't you just FSU Emeriti when they asked to tax you? Look at Greeks v Pyro. Due to no WW bonus for OOR wars it's so easy to royally screw over a KD way bigger due to bottom chain advantage. Sure, said KD will get some top-land but if you target the right provs you can really wreck a KD. This is what happens when all KDs do what's best for themselves, rather than what's best for the competitiveness at the top.
    +1 to the second paragraph

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palem View Post
    What exactly would the suggestion be?
    The defender is favored.

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    I'm thinking that the FP alliance might ape Greek Gods technique to only surrender acres to cows/top provinces and starve Emeriti in war while tapping wondering war kingdoms between NAPs. Might result in a db, as I'm not sure what you guys are doing up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proteus View Post

    @flogger - I do not really understand the concept of giving a kingdom more time after war. The only time I have seen it work is when a much weaker kingdom grows and to lure them in / entice them a superior kingdom gives them plenty time to pump knowing full well war would probably win the age for them and harvesting those acres in war is much better for taking a little bit of acres for cf. personally I have never been given time to pump after winning a war, the kingdoms sitting OOW would just use that time to pump and vulture us.

    I remember specifically when AMA and BB were allied and Rage had picked a sage setup and warred BB (a war that Bb had sought out) and Rage ended up winning after 4 days or something along those lines. Immediately after AMA who had been sitting oow the whole time and building unbreakable cows had given Rage notice with the intent of either vukturing or asking for 10k acres to extend cf (this was y4 so 10k acres is massive at that time). I also remember a few ages later AMA warring Pewpew and RBL making massive cows oow and vulturing AMA right after instead of giving them prep time. Direct competitors do not really give themselves extra time. It's really a cat and mouse concept when a strong unbeatable kingdom gives a weak kingdom extra time in exchange for the promise of war knowing full well it will be a guaranteed farm out. It's really difficult for me to be asked for free stuff when no one has ever given any of the kingdoms I was in time to pump after winning a war, they all went in for the kill.
    On the second paragraph: A friend that age vulturing after me and you fought is different than me vulturing someone after someone fought my friend. I disagree how pretty much all utopians approach things, even my friends. Name the situation in the past say 20 ages where I was #1, someone else warred someone, and I vultured them to win a crown. If I can go 20 some odd ages with no one finding an example, the rest of you can go 1 age without doing so.

    I can recall an age where me and CR were #1/#2, we warred, spent all war with banks fully turtled, we beat CR and we gained like 1k bank acres in the win. Pyro then got 10k free bank land out of CR because they were the loser, we gave pyro extra time to prep and pyro ended up 5-10% larger than us by the time we had our 1/2 fight evenough we just won the previous 1/2 fight. We didn't feel the need to tax #3-10 land to keep some huge edge on pyro.

    No matter what ya say, my general history is I aim to make #1/#2 fights, and I don't try to get some massive huge edge prior to them, and am comfortable winning and comfortable losing, as I've both won and lost plenty in that spot. I do observe few others are as comfortable with opening themselves up to losing if they can avoid it.

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