Republic of Octobrev - Double Hostile w/ Strippers & ghetto

[StratOcastle]

@ hoolio. Yes, saw this a mile away.

I recall your avatar and coolness from old posts along with a couple of the others. I'm pretty much aware of this kind of thing, but what surprised me was the players in DD. I guess the forum is considered the forbidden zone so we don't see a lot of the old players.

I'm familiar with the personalities involved and find this an odd exchange. Since I'm a kingdom hopper the community griefing rarely affects me. It's apparent how harmful it can be to the old kingdoms. In this I have concerns.

[protector]

Who are these ghetto's?

ps. RIP Bishop.

[Krynn]

Hoolio: Thank you for the kind words. I agree with your vision of the game. Hope you come back. And if you do please keep us in mind. I would love to have you on our team.

[Sheister]

*mind (Krynn)

meh, I think the folks DD for the most part have discovered this is nothing personal (at least not from me) and everyone is pretty reconciled to things now.

FWIW, if use of terms like I used was truly offensive to anyone, I am sorry about that. I don't really go around trying to offend people. I just call things like I see it and I was shocked to find out people were offended at all. That said, other than that, I would not have changed a thing I have done. This is a game and we all play it how we play it to have fun. So we all just enjoy. Yay.

[Pillz]

Interesting.. accusing me of being insulting and an immature **** (whatever that was meant to be). All this from the guy who sat in IRC calling me a "removed". There is only one person in this who needs to resort to insults and racism to try and make their point.

Considering that you've now resorted to the same insult with both Korp and myself, I think I called things pretty accurately in that post. If internet trash talk were ranked you wouldn't appear on the chart.

I should also point out that when Octo gave you ops. you went on a ban spree against DD players.

Because you have all demonstrated a complete lack of decorum. 'Oh I did it but then you did it TOO' is a pretty poor defence. You should have exercised restraint. Shown us that you aren't just a barely coherent, almost-literate walking temper tantrum.

One tip for ya steel. don't draw attention to your own failings in this way.. it just makes you look silly.

Pretty at ease with my faults, thank you.

[Pillz]

Pillz I don't mean to be rude but the way you talk just smack of elitism.

1) The only people benefiting from multies are the ones multing themselves. If you can provide some examples of how others have benefited from it to refute my point I will be genuinely interested in hearing about it.

2) Also while his suggestion for larger kd size might not result in fewer multies, the fact is there is a drought of candidates that are both able and willing to run for monarch. Instead of having many smaller kds that are poorly-run, having fewer stronger kds might be better for the game in the long run.

3) Lastly call it ghetto/warring top/whoring or whatever you want. At this point the philosophy and mindset of the 2 groups are so disparate that they might as well be playing 2 completely different game on the same server, with the only interactions been the constant presence of bottom feeding and the occasional threat of war razing. You can no more fault the ghettos for not respecting the "rules of diplomacy" as you can blame the aboriginals for not appreciating the dollar. For both its simply a concept that they have little understanding of and little use for.

1) Everybody benefits from multies. New provinces are able to feed off of them to grow since they do not retaliate and do not train much if at all. Their gold can be stolen by anybody, as can their food and runes. When multies (and we are using this word loosely, since its nigh impossible to differentiate multies from inactives and I would argue all inactives are likely multies) comprise a large portion of a single kingdom (A), the kingdoms which attack (A) benefit from the inflated KD NW and the additional targets. In cases that reach war they benefit again because of declaration size constraints and the fact that multies and inactives take up province slots otherwise useable by actual provinces.

Whether or not this is "good" for the game is debatable, but the fact that everybody can and does benefit from them is not. And it is only the less organized kingdoms that suffer explicitly, and even they can make use of multies for acres, resources, and opportunities offered by inflated NW. And to combat this an ineffective province-placement formula is in place and The Wall has been introduced.

Forcibly increasing the minimum KD size will only mean more multies in fewer kingdoms and it will make it impossible for the legitimate, active players in said kingdoms to effectively kill them or avoid their appearance in the kingdom altogether.

This has been discussed ad infinitum before in other threads and in suggestions and was a driving force in the adoption of The Wall.

Unless you can devise a way to eliminate multies and inactive entirely, your idea of increasing KD size is only going to make life harder for less motivated and active players and easier for brain-dead good-for-nothing talentless ghettos like you doubtlessly play in (re: your other thread which is also nothing but complaining about how bad you are).

2) There is no lack of candidates for monarch. There is a shortage of players worthy of being led.

3) The dichotomy of top/bottom play and how disparate they are has been present since the very beginning of Utopia. The problem is only aggravated by the shrinking player base and the fact that the skill gap is now entirely insurmountable. Which is sad because even modern top kingdoms are on a downwards slope and have been for many ages. Nothing you suggest will resolve the issue of disparate skill levels, activity, goals, and the shrinking player base.

Bishop has done everything in his power to implement changes that level the playing field for ghettos. From weakening bottom feeding to eliminating proper banks to decreasing the importance of hyper activity. Nothing satisfies you lot because you're too bad to even notice these changes, let alone make use of them. You are all blind, deaf and dumb and hurting yourselves bumping into sharp objects in a dark room and you can't call for or hear calls for help. Which is to say, you're incapable of helping yourselves or each other. And I would argue you blinded, deafened, and removed your tongues yourselves by refusing to improve. At every opportunity. Over many years.

[drkzeraga]

Wow Pillz that's quite the response you got there.
Between the terrible reasoning, ridiculous elitism and thinly veiled insults, I can honestly say I completely disagree with everything you said and I don't even know where to even start replying from.

Ok fine there is something I can agree with you with on and that is the gap between the top and bottom kds is currently too wide. But I believe that the combination of bottom players rage quitting and top players bored leaving will eventually equalized the playing field leaving the remaining player base having more or less the same skill level.

The game is dying but then again it has been dying for many years already and with any luck will remain dying for many more to come. I myself will unfortunately probably not be around when the game does end because I don't usually play games past the point of being "unfun". Then again I'm playing more for the community than the actual gameplay these days so who knows?

Sorry for the rant Pillz but I think I know where you're coming from. Safe to say let's just agree to disagree for now because honestly I doubt we will ever reach a common consensuses you ****head.

[Pillz]

Wow Pillz that's quite the response you got there.
Between the terrible reasoning, ridiculous elitism and thinly veiled insults, I can honestly say I completely disagree with everything you said and I don't even know where to even start replying from.

Facts are not elitism.

Ok fine there is something I can agree with you with on and that is the gap between the top and bottom kds is currently too wide. But I believe that the combination of bottom players rage quitting and top players bored leaving will eventually equalized the playing field leaving the remaining player base having more or less the same skill level.

Yes, I am sure when the game is shuttered the playing field will finally be equal. Until that day though, I assure you that your prediction will not be realized. Like it hasn't been realized to date. Lower tier kingdoms get continuously worse just like 'top' kingdoms do. The problem is that top kingdoms get worse at a slower rate and mostly as a result of having to recruit from ghettos.

The knowledge, experience, and general atmosphere of 'top' kingdoms guarantee that the disparity will never really lessen.

[HerpNDerp]

You can tell by the ignorant drivel that pillz either woke up on the wrong side of the bed today, or is just actually that retarded IRL. Any time you have to justify multi-accounts as 'good for the game' you know you've stooped to an all-time low. The elitism and general disdain for everyone who isn't listed on pillz's 'Good Player' list is pathetic and insulting. You act like this game is hard. It isn't. It takes coordination and activity, that is all. Get off your high horse kid.

[Bishop]

Did I stutter? Next insult I see is a 3 day ban, I don't want to even see a hint of it.

[Pillz]

You can tell by the ignorant drivel that pillz either woke up on the wrong side of the bed today, or is just actually that retarded IRL. Any time you have to justify multi-accounts as 'good for the game' you know you've stooped to an all-time low. The elitism and general disdain for everyone who isn't listed on pillz's 'Good Player' list is pathetic and insulting. You act like this game is hard. It isn't. It takes coordination and activity, that is all. Get off your high horse kid.

You can't sit there straight faced and tell me you and your kingdom have not abused other people's multies before, because everybody has. It's even MORE prevalent in that regard nowadays then in the past because there are just so few targets in general.

They may not be 'good' for the game, but they've always been there and always will be. The changes proposed in the previous thread specifically make the problem WORSE for disorganized small groups, not better.
I can't see how you people can even pretend to have a more nuianced opinion of this then I do, since I've played like 8 of my last 12 ages in just such a kingdom(s) on purpose...

And lol @ these claims of elitism. Calling people who are bad at the game bad at the game is not elitism. You're shortsighted and inexperienced and have absolutely no valuable opinions to offer here, obviously. When I or anybody else disagrees you just collapse and fall back on 'waaah elitism'. Try harder and you might get better, at least on the forums.

EDIT: And no, the game is not hard. So why can't you people get good without crying about how unfair it is?

[Palem]

Highlights of this thread for anyone like 'tldr..'

Octo's occasional interjections
Korp getting out-trolled
Lily's 'my dick is bigger than yours' observation.
Bishop's ban hammer.

Hey now. I banned a couple people!

[Sweetiepie]

How can you be surprised that someone who is playing as a griefer supports multis? That's probably the only way to get hold of enough accounts not to be squashed off the server. Personally I do doubt Pillz's skill in the game as it is now, looks to me like he is pining for the days gone past and he can't wait to see Uto dead. Personally I'm positive that he invited Sheister into his kingdom when he did simply because he wanted to be involved in that situation.


Imagine a new player coming across this. Do you think they'd stay around? Yes, there are still real people coming in who have never played before, they pop up regularly in the kingdom I'm in, and we nurture them and proactively encourage them to stay and play.

I say again, if a kd of 22 people quit the game because it's not fun anymore, to satisfy the egos of griefers, how is that good for the game? But griefers don't care, because they don't care about the game, just about how Uto can be a vehicle for their egos and spite. I'm not saying that this has been DD's finest hour, but I'm not interested in Pillz and Korp and co. pretending to be a little ghetto standing for the little guy against a bigger and better ghetto bullying them.

I've actually been heartened by how little support they have gathered in this thread, given that it was started in order to gain admiration....

The real scandal in this for me is that Bishop plays in that kingdom, no matter how inactive or active he is. I cannot understand how he is unable to see that even if he cannot stop griefing (it could be stopped, but it would take a different kind of person to do it) he should not have his name associated with it under any circumstances. You really need to wake up about this, Bishop.

[Pillz]

How can you be surprised that someone who is playing as a griefer supports multis? That's probably the only way to get hold of enough accounts not to be squashed off the server. Personally I do doubt Pillz's skill in the game as it is now, looks to me like he is pining for the days gone past and he can't wait to see Uto dead. Personally I'm positive that he invited Sheister into his kingdom when he did simply because he wanted to be involved in that situation.

Imagine a new player coming across this. Do you think they'd stay around? Yes, there are still real people coming in who have never played before, they pop up regularly in the kingdom I'm in, and we nurture them and proactively encourage them to stay and play.

I say again, if a kd of 22 people quit the game because it's not fun anymore, to satisfy the egos of griefers, how is that good for the game? But griefers don't care, because they don't care about the game, just about how Uto can be a vehicle for their egos and spite. I'm not saying that this has been DD's finest hour, but I'm not interested in Pillz and Korp and co. pretending to be a little ghetto standing for the little guy against a bigger and better ghetto bullying them.

I've actually been heartened by how little support they have gathered in this thread, given that it was started in order to gain admiration....

The real scandal in this for me is that Bishop plays in that kingdom, no matter how inactive or active he is. I cannot understand how he is unable to see that even if he cannot stop griefing (it could be stopped, but it would take a different kind of person to do it) he should not have his name associated with it under any circumstances. You really need to wake up about this, Bishop.

Big mean 2mil ghetto gonna ruin the game for everybody.
We finish in the bottom ten every age or something. How much grief can we really cause? And if we can cause that much, I guess it means at least a couple of us are suited for the game as it is now.

EDIT: And lol @ the idea anybody in this kingdom uses multies. Yes that is all that is preventing us from finishing dead last, our dozens of multies.

[Bishop]

Sweetiepie, your bias is showing.

Our attitude to them: 0 points. Their attitude to us: 150 points. I am not the one griefing. I am not the one telling smaller kingdoms they must suck up hits because they are small. I am not the one razing new provinces. I am not the one getting personal.

Steel is wrong anyway, they are not multies. They are just creating and quitting because we have no tutorial and they don't know what to do.