Republic of Octobrev - Double Hostile w/ Strippers & ghetto

[Pillz]

Pillz I don't mean to be rude but the way you talk just smack of elitism.

1) The only people benefiting from multies are the ones multing themselves. If you can provide some examples of how others have benefited from it to refute my point I will be genuinely interested in hearing about it.

2) Also while his suggestion for larger kd size might not result in fewer multies, the fact is there is a drought of candidates that are both able and willing to run for monarch. Instead of having many smaller kds that are poorly-run, having fewer stronger kds might be better for the game in the long run.

3) Lastly call it ghetto/warring top/whoring or whatever you want. At this point the philosophy and mindset of the 2 groups are so disparate that they might as well be playing 2 completely different game on the same server, with the only interactions been the constant presence of bottom feeding and the occasional threat of war razing. You can no more fault the ghettos for not respecting the "rules of diplomacy" as you can blame the aboriginals for not appreciating the dollar. For both its simply a concept that they have little understanding of and little use for.

1) Everybody benefits from multies. New provinces are able to feed off of them to grow since they do not retaliate and do not train much if at all. Their gold can be stolen by anybody, as can their food and runes. When multies (and we are using this word loosely, since its nigh impossible to differentiate multies from inactives and I would argue all inactives are likely multies) comprise a large portion of a single kingdom (A), the kingdoms which attack (A) benefit from the inflated KD NW and the additional targets. In cases that reach war they benefit again because of declaration size constraints and the fact that multies and inactives take up province slots otherwise useable by actual provinces.

Whether or not this is "good" for the game is debatable, but the fact that everybody can and does benefit from them is not. And it is only the less organized kingdoms that suffer explicitly, and even they can make use of multies for acres, resources, and opportunities offered by inflated NW. And to combat this an ineffective province-placement formula is in place and The Wall has been introduced.

Forcibly increasing the minimum KD size will only mean more multies in fewer kingdoms and it will make it impossible for the legitimate, active players in said kingdoms to effectively kill them or avoid their appearance in the kingdom altogether.

This has been discussed ad infinitum before in other threads and in suggestions and was a driving force in the adoption of The Wall.

Unless you can devise a way to eliminate multies and inactive entirely, your idea of increasing KD size is only going to make life harder for less motivated and active players and easier for brain-dead good-for-nothing talentless ghettos like you doubtlessly play in (re: your other thread which is also nothing but complaining about how bad you are).

2) There is no lack of candidates for monarch. There is a shortage of players worthy of being led.

3) The dichotomy of top/bottom play and how disparate they are has been present since the very beginning of Utopia. The problem is only aggravated by the shrinking player base and the fact that the skill gap is now entirely insurmountable. Which is sad because even modern top kingdoms are on a downwards slope and have been for many ages. Nothing you suggest will resolve the issue of disparate skill levels, activity, goals, and the shrinking player base.

Bishop has done everything in his power to implement changes that level the playing field for ghettos. From weakening bottom feeding to eliminating proper banks to decreasing the importance of hyper activity. Nothing satisfies you lot because you're too bad to even notice these changes, let alone make use of them. You are all blind, deaf and dumb and hurting yourselves bumping into sharp objects in a dark room and you can't call for or hear calls for help. Which is to say, you're incapable of helping yourselves or each other. And I would argue you blinded, deafened, and removed your tongues yourselves by refusing to improve. At every opportunity. Over many years.