Republic of Octobrev - Double Hostile w/ Strippers & ghetto

[Krynn]

The only reason these attacks continue is that we can not move on to war. Knowing we will be razed into. not fair to our team and not fair to the opponent. If we do not continue attacks it will be leaving an advisory at our backs to grow and continue to be an issue, interfering with the 20+ player in Dungeon Dwellers. There has been no real attempt to let us know this can be put behind us from your Kingdom and all attempts made from DD have been denied. So calling us out as "the one griefing " is a bit disingenuous.

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[Sheister]

noobium,

stop being chicken little. OOW raze has been in this game since forever. Honestly, the dumber change was making raze not destroy acres in war. This game used to be a LOT meaner and every change made to make it less mean has been accompanied by a loss of the player base (if not from natural causes). Making the game kinder has not increased the payer base, raze is not broken, stop whining.

[MyNameIsMatija]

noobiums will be noobiums

[DM_Benjamin]

bump

[Krynn]

Then i'll probably take your side, its pointless to negotiate a CF admist hostilities. For all it matters.

Repeat. The only reason these attacks continue is that we can not move on to war. Knowing we will be razed into. not fair to our team and not fair to the opponent. If we do not continue attacks it will be leaving an advisory at our backs to grow and continue to be an issue, interfering with the 20+ player in Dungeon Dwellers. There has been no real attempt to let us know this can be put behind us from your Kingdom and all attempts made from DD have been denied. So calling us out as "the one griefing " is a bit disingenuous.

[Nanka]

@krynn

Don't think you are going to raze them into submission in a browser game, while i think little of their methods, what you are championing here is somewhat the same, just from the perspective of the other side. Literally, you are hitting them oow and limiting their game experience, if they wish to move on they could not, though the thread provides many instances which shows they feel otherwise. Still would prefer if you handle this diplomatically, rather to watch such drama even though i am from the sidelines imo.

[Krynn]

@krynn

Don't think you are going to raze them into submission in a browser game, while i think little of their methods, what you are championing here is somewhat the same, just from the perspective of the other side. Literally, you are hitting them oow and limiting their game experience, if they wish to move on they could not, though the thread provides many instances which shows they feel otherwise. Still would prefer if you handle this diplomatically, rather to watch such drama even though i am from the sidelines imo.

Again, I am willing to take this to the table. They do not want anything but to continue this as I have offered alternatives and was told they would talk it over. Waited an hour for a reply only to log into the forum to see that they were unwilling because of posts in here from some one who was not even in the negotiations. They have a case of the ass about us and refuse to deal. The razing is not to "put them into submission" it is to keep an advisory at our back to become an even larger issue.

[noobium]

raze into war is broken because it creates a huge incentive for outside interference that is not attainable between two kingdoms at war. if raze destroyed a minimum of 15 acres in war it would be less unbalancing, but that doesn't address how easy it is to destroy provinces in war and how destructive war is, allowing a griefer kingdom to sit in fort and quadraze for minimal cost.

with the insane offense levels now, raze functioning as it used to means that no one in their right mind would ever war, since it would guarantee MAD. the last time raze destroyed acres in war, raw offense and defense were roughly even, so it wasn't as absurd.

the simple patch would be to set a floor which can't be razed past, so provinces cannot be outright destroyed by outside interference.

have you considered that people leave because of the asinine behavior that has been a constant presence? or because the game has stagnated and individual skill doesn't count for anything any more? razing as it exists now is definitely broken, and the only thing that keeps the game playable is an agreement that is fragile as ****, because eventually everyone will just use friends and proxies to raze into war if they were playing as non-scrubs.

[Nanka]

Again, I am willing to take this to the table. They do not want anything but to continue this as I have offered alternatives and was told they would talk it over. Waited an hour for a reply only to log into the forum to see that they were unwilling because of posts in here from some one who was not even in the negotiations. They have a case of the ass about us and refuse to deal. The razing is not to "put them into submission" it is to keep an advisory at our back to become an even larger issue.

Aye, i had the impression originally both sides were just dicking out the other for fun. I can see their unwillingness to negotiate as no one has stepped up and outline any means of a compromise, rather than than stick to terms they already your side wont accept and brazenly taunt the fact they can continue indefinitely.

The same methods produces the same results, not only do you have to put in effort to coordinate the attacks when all they do is set up a province, you are the side that perpetuates the actual griefing by doing the actual razing leaving them no room for discourse and suffering the actual consequences. In one way your actions might further justify their claim that oow razing is a legimate way to protect smaller kds from 'bullying' tactics from larger ones, even if they harbor the desire to make good on their threats.

They will not change their ways by such means as it had been proven already, not that i can suggest what you should do, which i may have out of line. Just that thing as it is will just further solidify the rationale for the status quo, which imo is just mutually destructive and a way to further shrink the playerbase.

[Krynn]

Aye, i had the impression originally both sides were just dicking out the other for fun. I can see their unwillingness to negotiate as no one has stepped up and outline any means of a compromise, rather than than stick to terms they already your side wont accept and brazenly taunt the fact they can continue indefinitely.

The same methods produces the same results, not only do you have to put in effort to coordinate the attacks when all they do is set up a province, you are the side that perpetuates the actual griefing by doing the actual razing leaving them no room for discourse and suffering the actual consequences. In one way your actions might further justify their claim that oow razing is a legimate way to protect smaller kds from 'bullying' tactics from larger ones, even if they harbor the desire to make good on their threats.

They will not change their ways by such means as it had been proven already, not that i can suggest what you should do, which i may have out of line. Just that thing as it is will just further solidify the rationale for the status quo, which imo is just mutually destructive and a way to further shrink the playerbase.

I have to agree with your post as far as this kind of thing is terrible for the game. The real issue here is that so few can create so mush BS for the many. We have 3 to 5 players being unwilling to work out reasonable alternatives wreaking game play for 40 players. It will be a shame to see either KD disappear from the game. Specially after near 50 straight ages under the same name for the Dwellers. The only reason I stay playing Utopia in the first place, that and the friends I have in IRC. There is better Utopia style game out there that I already play in and do very well. I will continue to play until the game ends for the dwellers. But I will no longer invest in the credits or take time to recruit knew players into the server. My efforts on that front will be to direct them into the newer game where this kind of thing has not been able to happen and has other outlets to resolve them.

[Kestrel038]

What did I harp on about? He made a game related statement which I quoted directly, omitting the irrelevant portion of his post.

And you have offered nothing. Asking for a CF is not an offer. It's a request. I've likened it to a dream, in fact, because you must be dreaming if you think a blank CF is ever going to materialize from this situation.

We've made several offers. They're all posted here multiple times. Read them some time, will you?

So you dismiss our offer of CF out of hand and yet you expect us to give yours credence. There is a word for that Pillz. It begins with the letter H.

We've read your offers, and we are currently showing them as much consideration as you have shown ours. Reap what you sow sonny jim :)

[Krynn]

So you dismiss our offer of CF out of hand and yet you expect us to give yours credence. There is a word for that Pillz. It begins with the letter H.

We've read your offers, and we are currently showing them as much consideration as you have shown ours. Reap what you sow sonny jim :)

I have not seen an "offer" I have only seen demands so outrageous it teeters on insane. I have never seen an offer where one KD gives land to another KD not even involved in the conflict to help them to strengthen their leadership spot on the charts. is that sh*t even legit? Would a self respecting KD even want that kind of thing? Respect to Fire and Blood for their top spot, but if this is the way it was done then it really takes away the achievement. It is nice to see that you have the top spot with actual war wins. Why dirty yourselves with inflated land from a deal like the one put forth. As you have seen here any resolution from this conflict will have to be hammered out with out the present players. As too much has been said and done between Abi, Pillz and Kope. As long as there is no willingness to compromise between them, there will be no resolution. Kind of goes against the spirit of the game being a war/diplomatic environment.

[Madchess]

hmm not that many green provinces left in that kd did you finally decide to raze to 50 acres and keep them there, maybe it could be an idea to set growth as the goal for a few ages, then there would be no wars to raze into.

I still am not qualified to judge who started it and for whatever silly reasons it escalated, but I don't see a threat about razing into other peoples wars as acceptable and would most likely have responded with force too.

[Bishop]

Again, I am willing to take this to the table. They do not want anything but to continue this as I have offered alternatives and was told they would talk it over. Waited an hour for a reply only to log into the forum to see that they were unwilling because of posts in here from some one who was not even in the negotiations. They have a case of the ass about us and refuse to deal. The razing is not to "put them into submission" it is to keep an advisory at our back to become an even larger issue.

You had plenty of opportunity to end this, you guys refused all diplo because "you are big and we are small". You reap what you sow.

[octobrev]

Acres are always legit!