Republic of Octobrev - Double Hostile w/ Strippers & ghetto

[Krynn]

Tactics has too many people popping off. Private room with a number of witnesses TBD. With the understanding that the log could/will be posted.
and we still need an acceptable Diplo from your side.

[Krynn]

Then why did your leadership bring it up?

Not sure Bishop, I may have Missed that. But there has been a lot, in fact way too much Cock Crowing in all of this to even think any of it has any substance.

[Sweetiepie]

raze into war is broken because it creates a huge incentive for outside interference that is not attainable between two kingdoms at war. if raze destroyed a minimum of 15 acres in war it would be less unbalancing, but that doesn't address how easy it is to destroy provinces in war and how destructive war is, allowing a griefer kingdom to sit in fort and quadraze for minimal cost.

with the insane offense levels now, raze functioning as it used to means that no one in their right mind would ever war, since it would guarantee MAD. the last time raze destroyed acres in war, raw offense and defense were roughly even, so it wasn't as absurd.

the simple patch would be to set a floor which can't be razed past, so provinces cannot be outright destroyed by outside interference.

have you considered that people leave because of the asinine behavior that has been a constant presence? or because the game has stagnated and individual skill doesn't count for anything any more? razing as it exists now is definitely broken, and the only thing that keeps the game playable is an agreement that is fragile as ****, because eventually everyone will just use friends and proxies to raze into war if they were playing as non-scrubs.

This +1

DD are not the only kingdom the equivalent of Sheister's griefing has happened to. The only reason this has made it to the forums is because the playerz involved used to be good and are well known on the forums, hence they thought they would be starting a Lol Sneer Fest with a lot of support - which hasn't happened.

Don't forget Sheister was invited into this kd of semi inactives and thought that the people he griefed previously were going to walk away - and the kingdom he was invited into may have already been griefing (though that can't be determined as the other kingdom they are getting razed by hasn't posted on here) Then Korp and co were willing to keep the griefing going with DD.

This situation is only exceptional because these are once-talented players who have a forum name attracting attention to it.

Solo players who dont' give a **** about the game, their kingdom or their provinces are a curse to mid range or ghetto kds with aspirations and have been for a while. However I daresay the griefers pretending to be a genuine ghetto are not actually aware of that from their lofty heights of friendship networks.

Maybe I'll start a multi (seeing as Pillz says they are good for the game) and start razing into Sparta's next war, or other top wars just for giggles. Maybe something would be done about it then, in fact you can bet your bottom dollar it will be seen as a genuine problem only when that happens.

[Korp]

You have the wrong approach to it, what you refuse to see Sweetiepie is that DD action had a counter action. As a solo province you have not many options to defend yourself you chose the ones you can use to cause harm. And its pretty naive that you think the top kingdom never have to deal with griefers and annoying ghetto players.

[brickwolfman]

whats a griefer? never heard this word before

[Sweetiepie]

You have the wrong approach to it, what you refuse to see Sweetiepie is that DD action had a counter action. As a solo province you have not many options to defend yourself you chose the ones you can use to cause harm. And its pretty naive that you think the top kingdom never have to deal with griefers and annoying ghetto players.

Genuinely interested question for anyone who knows the answer - do top 10 kingdoms often get threats of having their chained provs razed in war by an aggrieved random? Or is that rarer than hen's teeth?

(If nobody answers I'll assume nobody's experienced that.)

[Bart of Sparta]

Genuinely interested question for anyone who knows the answer - do top 10 kingdoms often get threats of having their chained provs razed in war by an aggrieved random? Or is that rarer than hen's teeth?

(If nobody answers I'll assume nobody's experienced that.)

It's usaully not the bottom provs that are threatened. Generally it's the top :)

[Band of Horses]

Genuinely interested question for anyone who knows the answer - do top 10 kingdoms often get threats of having their chained provs razed in war by an aggrieved random? Or is that rarer than hen's teeth?

(If nobody answers I'll assume nobody's experienced that.)

Extremely common. If you go into a war and expect no outside razes then you are either foolish or are BB (because how can you not love BB?).

[Pillz]

Pretty sure we razed BB last age actually....

[Band of Horses]

Pretty sure we razed BB last age actually....

We all know you're an awful person Steel, you don't need to make a point of it.

(Joking ofc! The world needs people like Steel to balance things out)

[Papa Legba]

As a solo province you have not many options to defend yourself you chose the ones you can use to cause harm.

Well the first line of defense for a solo province is not to give a kingdom a reason to harm you.

[Palem]

whats a griefer? never heard this word before

People whose sole reason for playing is ruining other people's fun

[khronosschoty]

If you bully a small kingdom and make any and all reasonable goals impossible, then what else does that small kingdom have left? So most of these small kingdoms who get bullied by others just quit the game, some of them however not wanting the bully to get the better of them take in hand the few options open to them.

What I am trying to say is, bully kingdoms create the "griefer".

[Sheister]

Genuinely interested question for anyone who knows the answer - do top 10 kingdoms often get threats of having their chained provs razed in war by an aggrieved random? Or is that rarer than hen's teeth?

(If nobody answers I'll assume nobody's experienced that.)

Yes. All the time. Monarchs get pissed off at the nubs that make it happen too. Had Tigress been a player in a top kingdom, my CF offer would have been accepted instantly and she would have had some harsh words from her monarch.

If you bully a small kingdom and make any and all reasonable goals impossible, then what else does that small kingdom have left? So most of these small kingdoms who get bullied by others just quit the game, some of them however not wanting the bully to get the better of them take in hand the few options open to them.

What I am trying to say is, bully kingdoms create the "griefer".

Which is what happened here. STupid hits, I blustered. Rather than laugh at me and move on, they 3X razed me. They made it happen. RAWR. No, they won't admit it, but that is what happened.

[Sweetiepie]

If you bully a small kingdom and make any and all reasonable goals impossible, then what else does that small kingdom have left? So most of these small kingdoms who get bullied by others just quit the game, some of them however not wanting the bully to get the better of them take in hand the few options open to them.

What I am trying to say is, bully kingdoms create the "griefer".

So you have never randomed a smaller kingdom then? You random into bigger ones? Or explore?

I have to say I have never experienced this 'bullying' you're talking about. OK you get randomed, maybe get a couple from the same kd... ask for CF and the bigger kd takes it and moves on.
That's generally been my experience over the last umpteen years, I don't know other's experiences ofc.

Edit - Sheister, if someone tells you they are going to raze into your wars for revenge, you either have the choice of a permanent CF with them or you raze them down to 50 acres and keep them there. What else are you going to do?