Republic of Octobrev - Double Hostile w/ Strippers & ghetto

[brickwolfman]

Palem explained to me what griefing is, but it still sounds like a really shady dude trying to score a passed out drunk chick and failing

[Sheister]

Because that's great for the game, yeah? It's always easier to destroy than to create, that's the hard truth.

Oops sorry I forgot, you guys don't care about the game because you only log in every other day and don't have an actual real kingdom. Your inactive fun is more important than the fact that 60 guys are having to waste time razing you out and might well get bored with that and quit? That's DD and the other 2 kingdoms that have been razing you...the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many...

By the way why is it that with 3 kingdoms razing you for griefing/shooting your mouths/whatever, it's only DD that comes in for the super-hate? I'm just curious.

Actually Sweetie pie, I think that eliminating players like the DD leadership from the game is GOOD for the game, long-term. They clearly are irrational actors and removing them will make the game better for new players.

As to the other two (though I only see one other than DD in our news, but I am not paying that close attention), I can only assume that they are griefers themselves because there is no rational reason to believe that a KD that outnumbers the people they are trying to punish needs help (unless they are insulting DD by suggesting that DD is too pathetic to accomplish this on their own.)

Whatever works....

This will all get settled over the comming next few ages I am sure.

[Goodwitch]

oh please none of you guys is nearly as inactive as you say you are.

as far as solution, make a counter offer then if you don't like the offer. In this one case DD may have acted wrong or maybe not, but they have been around for a very long time and as far as I know there haven't been all too many complaints. Everyone that has played this game for a while has gotten into a long no end in sight conflict but all of us eventually ended it. No one says you have to like each other. Agree to disagree and move on, this conflict cannot be won, both parties already lost.

There is nothing cool or honorable about making a kingdom disband. ever. even if it were the most cheating, awful, mean kingdom.

There is nothing cool or honorable about continuously razing someone or a whole kingdom. If you didn't get your point across the first time you razed, continuing to do so is a waste of time.

There is nothing cool or honorable about ruining the fun of 40 people because 2 hotheads can't get along.

And last but not least there is nothing cool or honorable about stirring the pot, especially when you aren't part of the conflict in the first place.

[Pillz]

DD claims to have a fierce reputation. Not something you earn without stepping on toes. The fact they are proud former members of HaJ reinforces the theory that they have a history of being in-game cancer. HaJ frequently and for most of its existence gangbanged solo kingdoms for arbitrary reasons or merely to powerplay for the benefit of their members.

And both sides have not already "lost" this. There is no condition under which this can end in a "loss" for us. How is that not yet clear to you and DD and whoever else is ignorant of the underlying fabric of the situation. Half of us are in this KD because we don't want to play. Half are in it because they're too inactive to play.

Wasting an age or ages or being razed is not a loss for any of us. And even if some rotate out next age I guarantee that whoever joins is going to be happy and willing to continue where we leave off.

And yes, most really are as inactive or even more inactive then we claim. I'm probably the most active person atm but the rest are usually + or on the verge of +.

Sheister is entirely correct in his assessment that DD, or at least their leadership, should be made to quit. And I'm really glad I get to disband yet another ghetto. Their conduct during this affair has been abysmal. From their failure to communicate initially, to their decision to double hostile us, to their decision to gb us, to their show boating and arrogance, to their utter failure to conduct any meaningful diplomacy (always ruin it or reneg after), to their constant lies, to the depravity of their insults.

It's been an experience learning of their existence, but it'll be pretty mundane making them quit.

[marksss]

cant we all just get along? this used to be such a most wonderful game. i really look forward to logging in every day and see what exciting things are going on in utopia today. can we all not be men and women and professionals here? please dont ruin the game for everyone else. shake hands and move on. in all my 65 ages i never witnessed such bad sportsmanship. there is not a game played in the world where someone dose not get up set or frustrated over such a small thing. sportsmanship, honor, loyalty, professionalism all come from within the human heart. it is time to put this to rest. lets get back to playing utopia. all kingdoms and players involved can take a time out for one age and think about it, the rest of us want to keep trying for the crown. dont let the game rule your life, let it go. uall just let it go...

[Pillz]

'Topia is 'topia.

Somethings just have to happen.

[Thunder TA]

Looks like **** just got real

[Korp]

Meh Thunder i thought we been gangbanged :(

You got my hopes up.

[Sheister]

oh please none of you guys is nearly as inactive as you say you are.

Because we are not nearly dead the way the average utopia player is does not mean we are not basically inactive. This is a matter of comparative measures.

as far as solution, make a counter offer then if you don't like the offer.

OK I will say this again. I made multiple CF offers before they razed me, after they razed me, after I razed them the first time, after I razed them back after they RK'd me, etc. Cut the **** that no one offered them anything reasonable. That is just their bull**** crybaby line. Learn to read or stay out of the thread.

In this one case DD may have acted wrong or maybe not, but they have been around for a very long time and as far as I know there haven't been all too many complaints. Everyone that has played this game for a while has gotten into a long no end in sight conflict but all of us eventually ended it. No one says you have to like each other. Agree to disagree and move on, this conflict cannot be won, both parties already lost.

I don't tell you how to play, don't tell me how to.

There is nothing cool or honorable about making a kingdom disband. ever. even if it were the most cheating, awful, mean kingdom.

I disagree

There is nothing cool or honorable about continuously razing someone or a whole kingdom. If you didn't get your point across the first time you razed, continuing to do so is a waste of time.

I disagree

There is nothing cool or honorable about ruining the fun of 40 people because 2 hotheads can't get along.

disagree again...

And last but not least there is nothing cool or honorable about stirring the pot, especially when you aren't part of the conflict in the first place.

Completely disagree.

[khronosschoty]

Small kingdoms of vets and or those able to withstand the consequences should be making life 100% miserable for players and kingdoms who choose to bully. As soon as those bullies stop the bullying they should then be forgiven... if they choose to start the bullying up again they should be made miserable again. The community needs to foster an a atmosphere of respect. It is disrespectful for a prov or a kingdom to hit a small kingdom that has no chance to take it to anything remotely close to a fair war; the bully kingsoms expect them to just suck it up. I am reading here (in this thread and in other places) "they could of chose to just accept the hit on them and move on" (that is what the relatively huge or way bigger kingdom has said or is saying to the relatively small and almost tiny kingdom and or the outright very tiny kingdom -- and that is disrespectful).

[StratOcastle]

Small kingdoms of vets and or those able to withstand the consequences should be making life 100% miserable for players and kingdoms who choose to bully. As soon as those bullies stop the bullying they should then be forgiven... if they choose to start the bullying up again they should be made miserable again. The community needs to foster an a atmosphere of respect. It is disrespectful for a prov or a kingdom to hit a small kingdom that has no chance to take it to anything remotely close to a fair war; the bully kingsoms expect them to just suck it up. I am reading here (in this thread and in other places) "they could of chose to just accept the hit on them and move on" (that is what the relatively huge or way bigger kingdom has said or is saying to the relatively small and almost tiny kingdom and or the outright very tiny kingdom -- and that is disrespectful).

I agree and I think we can do this with a cheery disposition. Bullying comes naturally, even with intended respect. My enjoyment comes from the fight that ensues. Many see the game as natural order of the stronger dominating the weak. My endeavor is to play against this idiom. I've faced honorable competition that came from the dominant position. It's not what I'd call bullying. Simply, it is rare for them to encounter resistance based in enthusiasm rather than anger and fear. It's that they've come to play and I welcome them to the game.

[octobrev]

sportsmanship, honor, loyalty, professionalism all come from within the human heart.

Part of what makes utopia great are the variety of different kd cultures that exist under the umbrella. There are plenty who are interested in being respectful and winning wars but to assume that it is or should be universally true is delusional. Even the real world has murderers and rapists. In this particular case we have 2 of the more nefarious bloodlines intertwined:




Culturally, neither of these kingdoms were interested in winning wars or crowns. They feed on negative energy and forum posts. They're both known for cheating, not as a means of being successful but as a means of causing misery for those who subscribe to the more typical goals of the game. In fact, if you were to go into their private channels at the time you wouldn't even recognize them as kingdoms. Their players flamed and maimed one another just as they did the rest of the community. They liked it that way.

In addition to these two, you also have Korp and Sheister. The keystone kingdom in Korp's resume was lead by a self-proclaimed terrorist so I'm not surprised you don't receive love from him. Sheister is probably the only person there who can remotely relate to your way of thinking/playing since his background is more traditional. That's probably why he's the only player who has feigned a heart-to-heart conversation with DD.

There is no avenue open to you guys in DD to resolve this except through extortion or self-destruction. Let's get back to talking about those 5k acres.

[Thunder TA]

Kds now jump hostiles for free land,hit tagged kds who are about to war ( yes alot abuse that which causes alot of it ) easy to get a CE to see if its legit. Years ago that brought quick responses from allied kingdoms.It does now to a extent.Now tho with the game as small as it is there isnt the type of reaction there used to be.

The fear of screwing over other kingdoms isnt like it used to be.This covers kingdoms small and large.I have more issue with smaller kingdoms mostly doing stuff than the top 10.Most of them it takes a simple message and they move on. Not all of them as a few there still cant grasp the full idea of respect goes both ways.

[khronosschoty]

Kds now jump hostiles for free land,hit tagged kds who are about to war ( yes alot abuse that which causes alot of it ) easy to get a CE to see if its legit. Years ago that brought quick responses from allied kingdoms.It does now to a extent.Now tho with the game as small as it is there isnt the type of reaction there used to be.

The fear of screwing over other kingdoms isnt like it used to be.This covers kingdoms small and large.I have more issue with smaller kingdoms mostly doing stuff than the top 10.Most of them it takes a simple message and they move on. Not all of them as a few there still cant grasp the full idea of respect goes both ways.

I states somewhere else in here that the worst kingdoms in rspect to their actions towards kingdoms much smaller than their self is land rank 80 and lower.

[Band of Horses]

I states somewhere else in here that the worst kingdoms in rspect to their actions towards kingdoms much smaller than their self is land rank 80 and lower.

**** rolls downhill, they learned from the tier above them, that learned from the tier above them, that learned from the top, that learned from Octo.