Republic of Octobrev - Double Hostile w/ Strippers & ghetto

[Bishop]

Sheister yes it takes two to tango but it also takes two to let things go and move on

We offered several chances to move on. All rejected.

[Kestrel038]

Never said that.

Really?? You sure??

Sender Knight Ho Ho Ho the Hero of Now I Have A Machine Gun (X:X)
Recipient Queen Abigail the Blessed of Dungeon Diva (X:X)
Subject Re:Hi

No problem. Enjoy not warring all age.



Still sure?

[Palem]

Rekt

[Bishop]

Damn. Nice win though.

[Sheister]

I am pretty sure that he was assuming that you would not be dumb enough to go to war with a kingdom out there waiting to raze into you. He was wrong Abi, you are that dumb.

Congrats!

[Pillz]

I am pretty sure that he was assuming that you would not be dumb enough to go to war with a kingdom out there waiting to raze into you. He was wrong Abi, you are that dumb.

Congrats!

Basically came here to post that! But since you beat me to it have this

<Abi> hmm.. hostility meter with RoO mysteriusly resets to 0 after they push it well past hostile
<Abi> that's not at all suspicious
<Sjet> post pictures!
<Abi> Wars Won / Concluded Wars 0 / 0 Average Opponent Relative Size 100%
<Abi> Them
<Abi> Normal
<Abi> Unfriendly
<Abi> Hostile
<Abi> War
<Abi> Us
<Abi> Their Attitude To Us Normal (0 points) Our Attitude To Them Normal (0 points)
<Abi> Taunt into battle Hostility meter for all
<Abi> ** The kingdom of RoO **
<Abi> Total land exchanged: -14 (87/132)
<Abi> I guess the meter was getting real close to being maxed on both sides
<Abi> and someone in the kingdom with the ability to reset it, didn't want things escalting into war lol
<EvilEndures> You are in a war?
<Abi> oh **** yeah.. it cacels

[Band of Horses]

Laugh out loud! No.

I was on my phone with the text expanded and not reading names......

Now I feel silly.

I figured you would lol. But that may have been the first time someone called me "horses".

Basically came here to post that! But since you beat me to it have this

Love the bonus content.

[Papa Legba]

We offered several chances to move on. All rejected.

Incorrect. The negotiation between you and Krynn was never rejected by us. Plus you are just as guilty for refusing to move on.

To get some facts straight -

1. 6 free hits by RoO (REJECTED by DD)
2. No-term CF (REJECTED by RoO)
3. 5k acres to octobrev (REJECTED by DD with a counteroffer)
4. 2.5k acres to octobrev (REJECTED by RoO with a "counteroffer")

The last counteroffer from you was the 7500 acres that was obviously suggested for vindictive purpose only, knowing that we would reject it. So we don't see it as a legitimate negotiation term. The essence of negotiation is compromising - BOTH SIDES should be able to give in a portion of what they value to reach an agreement. When you throw out a term that further deviates from the middle, we have every reason to believe that you are the one that is unwilling to move on from this.

[Pillz]

Incorrect. The negotiation between you and Krynn was never rejected by us. Plus you are just as guilty for refusing to move on.

To get some facts straight -

1. 6 free hits by RoO (REJECTED by DD)
2. No-term CF (REJECTED by RoO)
3. 5k acres to octobrev (REJECTED by DD with a counteroffer)
4. 2.5k acres to octobrev (REJECTED by RoO with a "counteroffer")

The last counteroffer from you was the 7500 acres that was obviously suggested for vindictive purpose only, knowing that we would reject it. So we don't see it as a legitimate negotiation term. The essence of negotiation is compromising - BOTH SIDES should be able to give in a portion of what they value to reach an agreement. When you throw a term out that further deviates from the middle, we have every reason to believe that you are not willing to move on from this.

1) You're omitting the offer to CF if Abi deletes her province
2) You're omitting the offer to CF if Abi issues a sweeping apology (to be approved by Bishop)

And there was nothing vindictive about that offer. New offer is indicated below.

DD (summary)

own_tm 440 (15)
own_raze 1,314 (86)
own_fail 0 (4)
own_bush 38 (2)
enemy_tm 792 (30)
enemy_raze 15,033 (946)
enemy_plunder 0 (8)
enemy_learn 0 (4)
enemy_fail 0 (28)

TOTAL -15347

[Bishop]

Incorrect. The negotiation between you and Krynn was never rejected by us.

What exactly does not accepting a proposal and continuing razing mean then if it's not a rejection?

Where is your compromise? I requested an apology. Too much?

[Papa Legba]

1) You're omitting the offer to CF if Abi deletes her province
2) You're omitting the offer to CF if Abi issues a sweeping apology (to be approved by Bishop)

And there was nothing vindictive about that offer. New offer is indicated below.

DD (summary)

own_tm 440 (15)
own_raze 1,314 (86)
own_fail 0 (4)
own_bush 38 (2)
enemy_tm 792 (30)
enemy_raze 15,033 (946)
enemy_plunder 0 (8)
enemy_learn 0 (4)
enemy_fail 0 (28)

TOTAL -15347

I deliberately omitted those offers. Accepting either of those actions forces us to acknowledge that the fault is on us while you lose nothing. The whole "you razed us 1000x" is a null point since you have clearly indicated that your kd had no clear goal this age except to FSU so having your kingdom razed down will be perceived as having had a minimal effect on your overall (almost) non-existing goal.

This whole fiasco started because neither side was willing to acknowledge each side's fault. Now a fairer term would be for Abi to apology if RoO is willing to do the same (approved by us), shake hands and move on. Both sides' ego gets hurt.

Of course, RoO will never accept such term because that will force them to move on from this, which was never their intent since the beginning.

[Krynn]

What exactly does not accepting a proposal and continuing razing mean then if it's not a rejection?

Where is your compromise? I requested an apology. Too much?

You did. But that was after holding me off for over 24 hours and after Abi replied to the nub. Everything blew up then and I could no longer deal. Too bad it took too long. This would be done with.

[TommyB]

Accepting either of those actions forces us to acknowledge that the fault is on us..

I feel like some progress has just been made.

[Pillz]

I deliberately omitted those offers. Accepting either of those actions forces us to acknowledge that the fault is on us while you lose nothing. The whole "you razed us 1000x" is a null point since you have clearly indicated that your kd had no clear goal this age except to FSU so having your kingdom razed down will be perceived as having had a minimal effect on your overall (almost) non-existing goal.

This whole fiasco started because neither side was willing to acknowledge each side's fault. Now a fairer term would be for Abi to apology if RoO is willing to do the same (approved by us), shake hands and move on. Both sides' ego gets hurt.

Of course, RoO will never accept such term because that will force them to move on from this, which was never their intent since the beginning.

But you are at fault... all the way through. How you guys still can't realize or admit that is beyond me. Especially since most of the apologies due are for Abi's personal actions since this began, rather then the situation itself.

Our goals are not really to FSU, we just have none. FSU just crops up whenever a kingdom, any kingdom, picks a fight with us. In previous ages this included Simians/Pandas, CR, and BB. This age it was you and 'Strippers' who stirred ****.

There is no fault for us to apologize for. You waved into an active hostile, you acted like pricks, and you are paying the price. We said we'd raze into your future wars, we did. Sheister and I at least have vowed to disband you, and we will. And that promise only came after Abi so deftly tried to have us permakilled from our own KD.

We would be happy to move on for 15k acres, the deletion of abi's province, or an apology. Else you can enjoy what time you have left before I make you all quit.

[Bishop]

You did. But that was after holding me off for over 24 hours and after Abi replied to the nub. Everything blew up then and I could no longer deal. Too bad it took too long. This would be done with.

Stop using the delay as an excuse. It's irrelevant as there was no time limit put on negotiations and I had allowed allowed you delays as you had to work.

Abi went behind your back and negated all discussions. We offered a very fair compromise which was still on the table until you guys pulled it.