Suicide Squad VS FReakstyle

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Originally Posted by silverfox

It would seem that in a game where ages are running longer and competition is getting harder to find, players are much more willing to deal with perceived injustices. Top KDs have always relied on their threat of being larger to play the game how they believe should be played, however few ever want to be stuck in a retal war trading or having to raze kill people while other KDs outgrow them and their major weakness is vs. KDs who just don't care (until they themselves have nothing to play for).

FS have played the game they see fit for the last few ages, showing they're willing to ignore CF offers and powerplay KDs for weeks when it suits them, while also showing they're more than willing to ask for outside help when things aren't going their way. I've not been following this age too much and not read the whole thread but there's comments about FS dealbreaking this age and bottom feeding for honour, so for the 3rd age in a row FS find themselves at the centre of a controversy.

If ED waving FS is enough to have the hostile declared "invalid" after a few hours of no hits/ops (only for FS to start them again after Pyro wave) and it being grounds to ask alliance for aid, then I don't see any reason why FS "picking on" a KD much like ED "picked on" FS isn't grounds for other KDs to engage FS. Utopia has a unique way of people remembering KDs previous actions and judging them in kinda, probably the closest thing to karma we're going to get.

Glad to get involved vs. FS, live by your actions.

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I completely agree with this. Few kingdoms get special treatment regardless of their actions. Like fs power play we have seen this age and previous. However if another kd does it then quite possible you'll be dealt with

I wonder if SS and Divinity warred each other, will SS use anon attacks so they won't gain honor, if SS win, what bonus are they going to use?

And FS are still ignoring the db and hitting into hostile that Iampost brought up.

Sitting at the edge of my seat here waiting to hear FS' side of the story which definitely involves how they were treated unfairly because a second kingdom came to help out and interfered in their totally cool hostile. Right after Francis calls it a lie.

C'mon, people want to know :) tell us what really happened.

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Originally Posted by lampost

I'm actually trying to come to terms which what is actually happening here. Difficult to get a clear impartial summary.

Having said that, what is clearly seen is the same old nasty bullies, BB pyro and FS who always seem to band together. And many of us know what their bullying and cheating is about from past ages.

Even THIS age, in my old kd Outsiders, FS clearly dealbroke us. We had a CF deal with them and proceeded to enter an active hostile with another kd and were about to declare (I believe the Force have to check). Then out of the blue we get waved by FS. FS only agreed to pull out after we called in an ally to make a hit or 2 and they realized it was not worth it for them in the bigger scheme of things. It cost us the war and was pretty much the final straw that caused Outsiders to disband.

I have the logs somewhere to prove it.

So push comes to shove, I wont be shedding any tears for FS.

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Originally Posted by Slickdevil

I wonder if SS and Divinity warred each other, will SS use anon attacks so they won't gain honor, if SS win, what bonus are they going to use?

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Obviously we would anon some hits. But no we're not feint. Nice try bud

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

Lost Souls here

No one had to ask us to raze FS. Obviously I was already pointing out before they even waved SS that they should not continue down that path. I also always say, bad things happen to bad people, it's called Karma.
We are not allied with any of the kingdoms hitting FS. We are friends with some, but then we are also friends with some of the people in kingdoms that are razing SS.
Having a different opinion doesn't make me not be someones friend. I do think those kingdoms are making a mistake. Especially after new information about a deal break by FS earlier in the age emerged. And I agree with whiterose, SS did nothing but max the meter, they didn't break any rules.
If you insist on hitting someone as a punishment for something you consider wrong at least punish the ones that committed such acts.
Just because hitting SS is easier and suits your agendas better does not make it right.

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i rmbr goodwitch in the BB VM thread. somehow now we ended up on the same page. haha. i kinda miss uto drama. hope more this would happen next age. hahah

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

And FS are still ignoring the db and hitting into hostile that Iampost brought up.

Sitting at the edge of my seat here waiting to hear FS' side of the story which definitely involves how they were treated unfairly because a second kingdom came to help out and interfered in their totally cool hostile. Right after Francis calls it a lie.

C'mon, people want to know :) tell us what really happened.

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I imagine they need time to work out a consistent theme when they try to twist what happened. Or maybe they think its off topic? ;)

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Originally Posted by Aranfein

Although fs has done some things wrong last couple of ages, which I also discussed with Francis at length as we didn't agree on certain things... I can't see where they are wrong in this hostile with SS?

I'm not saying they don't deserve some karma from earlier age or age before (not that I would know any details this age), but seems a bit harsh what's going on in regards to breaking cfs etc to "teach" them a lesson...As for BB commenting that this should be left a 1on1 because you say it's a hostile is wrong if what I read earlier that it was not a proper hostile... be course then once again you give your double standard ****, as earlier age you claimed a double hostile was only if both kds was hitting (which according to this wasn't the case early on).

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nothing is harsh in uto. :) always expect payback. it's a never ending cycle. if i hand it to you now, i will expect you to retal me sometime in the future and then it repeats itself. it's like getting raped, keeping quiet about it. Then you see the next door girl getting raped by the same rapist and you realise you could actually do something about it.

but truth be told, i have no idea why BB is getting into this. unless they are allied with FS.

i rmbr last time i made a deal which the opponent KD accepted. adhered to the deal but ppl here said that i dealbroke because the deal was **** and cannot be considered a deal and was only agreed upon because we had a gun to their head, i.e notice from 1 side only, if you guys can still remember. we acknowledged it was a **** deal but if it was agreed upon shouldn't it be honoured?

the last time i waved a KD, enemy refuse to come to CF terms, so we waved again and enemy said that we are immoral and we should offer CF up on a plate after we are done with our first wave so as to be moral and after that come to the forums to flame us. Nothing is certain in uto, just a bunch of opinions here and there and people who can find the tiniest of excuses just to wave you and make it sound legit.

i think land drops really should not be allowed in this game. i think it is 1 huge part of the game which is always overlooked. i hope the devs would come up with something to stop this. i.e deletions. the reason is very simple, no 1 will not want a land drop considering it's a win win situation for both sides. thus the only way to stop is for game mechanics to stop it or for the devs to stop it.

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Originally Posted by Zauper

Meep: I don't disagree, FS does a number of things that I find distasteful at times.

That said, the effort to GB FS isn't because of distasteful things they've done (like running less than 25 if they've actually done that), it's because they're 'bullying SS by waving them when SS is out of range'. I don't consider waving a kingdom to be inappropriate (though I do frown on bullying, that is not bullying unless it is accompanied by an unwillingness to do diplo for example), and do consider trying to GB a kingdom for waving you just because you couldn't war them to be unacceptable.

The same way that I consider breaking an EOACF just because you feel like you were pushed into making a deal to be unacceptable.

Ultimately, the GB isn't because of mechanics concerns, the GB is because there are people who believe that this specific act is immoral and worthy of a GB. I would disagree with that stance. There are plenty of other things that could be spun into a justification, but that isn't one. To be frank, it seems from my conversations with Mirana that the concern is over making players quit because they're being hit. Again, I feel like the focus is in the wrong place, though I think that is an appropriate focus. If that is the concern, the focus should be on kingdoms that are still running under 25 provs and baiting ghettos into war -- because that's what is most toxic for new players. Not a random hit, and certainly not a wave on another top 5/10 kingdom.

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i think people do it because they have a previous vendetta with FS, not because they find what they are doing to SS fair or not. stop trying to justify the GB on SS. just say that those are FS's friends and man up to it. if they are not even FS's friends then i do not know why they are participating in a revenge from ghettoland. maybe FS should just get destroyed this age to put some of the ghettoland kingdoms at ease. doing all this would only make the ghettoland hate you more and you can probably expect a similar situation in future ages when the situation is favourable.

of course BB and FS are allies. I thought everyone knew that.

So now I hear rumors that we are going to be waved :) That is somewhat better than razing SS...still a bit of a stretch I am thinking considering FS hasn't even had time to deny charges of a db?

But whatever :) do as you must. But don't cry later because you trusted the wrong people.

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Originally Posted by octobrev

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not."
-Dr. Seuss

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I care a lot and I sincerely hope things get better.

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Originally Posted by Pale

Most of the server thinks your gangbang is unjustified because it lacks the severity needed to go that far.

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that made me laugh. when did you ask the server? seriously please come back down to earth. Maybe the majority of forum dwellers, but only maybe...and every minute there are more and more people that think that FS are getting exactly what they deserve. Just because not everyone is willing to stand up for what they believe to be right, does not mean they don't feel the same way. Even in your boys club there are people telling me they agree but they follow orders of course and I don't blame them. They chose a monarch and they are loyal, which is a great attribute to have.

some cowboy logic for you...when you're leading a herd, turn around ever so often to check they are still behind you ;)

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Originally Posted by pukusam

i rmbr last time i made a deal which the opponent KD accepted. adhered to the deal but ppl here said that i dealbroke because the deal was **** and cannot be considered a deal and was only agreed upon because we had a gun to their head, i.e notice from 1 side only, if you guys can still remember. we acknowledged it was a **** deal but if it was agreed upon shouldn't it be honoured?

the last time i waved a KD, enemy refuse to come to CF terms, so we waved again and enemy said that we are immoral and we should offer CF up on a plate after we are done with our first wave so as to be moral and after that come to the forums to flame us. Nothing is certain in uto, just a bunch of opinions here and there and people who can find the tiniest of excuses just to wave you and make it sound legit.

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I remember that deal on the forums lol although was 1 sided both sides should have had opportunity to make a new deal

Breaking news!

The KDs who are razing or have razed into SS so far are: Pandamonium, Crazies, BB, Pyro, WsK. Perhaps behemoths be bored with their dramaless eoa..

KDs razing into FS: Lost Souls, Ruthless, Birdie

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Originally Posted by Meezeus

Breaking news!

The KDs who are razing or have razed into SS so far are: Pandamonium, Crazies, BB, Pyro, WsK. Perhaps behemoths be bored with their dramaless eoa..

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Yup, I was gonna spell it out, to be expected.

I think (may be wrong) that WSK were angry last age as they were promised the honour crown for joining that alliance. Maybe they'll make good on their promise to them this age.

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Originally Posted by Meezeus

Breaking news!

The KDs who are razing or have razed into SS so far are: Pandamonium, Crazies, BB, Pyro, WsK. Perhaps behemoths be bored with their dramaless eoa..

KDs razing into FS: Lost Souls, Ruthless, Birdie

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I'm actually surprised there are not more kingdom's to be listed.. Tell me news caster will there be more to come?

Well I just took a peek at the action and appears there are more dead provinces to add to the list.

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The KDs who are razing or have razed into SS so far are: Pandamonium, Crazies, BB, Pyro, WsK. Perhaps behemoths be bored with their dramaless eoa..

KDs razing into FS: Lost Souls, Ruthless, Birdie

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You can have the monarchs of ruthless birdie etc post on here as they have that they are taking their actions strictly of their own accord but enough players from SS/ruthless/birdie have made it clear that there was collusion before and after the war with FS commenced. You have your friends raze into an active war to try and influence who crowns and you expected any other result than this? You brought these razes on yourself actions have consequences.

so did you forget Lost Souls in your accusations? or was for once me showing proof that our conflict with FS started before they even waved SS enough for you to leave us out on purpose? As I always see the good potential in people I thank you for respecting us. I do however question your statement. Other than FS, has anyone had anything bad to say about SS this age? Any claims of unfair behavior? cheating? rudeness? I haven't seen any.
But yet you take FS' word over theirs. Why? They have been consistently reported for unfair behavior, they are very rude and they have so much more to gain from this situation than SS.

Not to mention they have yet to respond to the db allegations brought forward by iampost

This isn't really a debate about one side of the story or anither. I read SS's account of how it went down and don't find anything wrong with FS's actions based on SS's own account of things. At least nothing that would've justified deal breaking eoa CFs and gb one kingdom.

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Originally Posted by AlphaQUp

You can have the monarchs of ruthless birdie etc post on here as they have that they are taking their actions strictly of their own accord but enough players from SS/ruthless/birdie have made it clear that there was collusion before and after the war with FS commenced. You have your friends raze into an active war to try and influence who crowns and you expected any other result than this? You brought these razes on yourself actions have consequences.

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From where I'm sitting and watching I don't believe they are that concerned about the crown any longer. They are living just like the name says Yolo EoA. I doubt this war ends this age as neither have anything more to lose.

/passes out popcorn

I don't play in either kingdom (I play in ascension) so I kind of hope it lasts til eoa with both kingdoms destroyed..but have my biased reasons for that.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

Other than FS, has anyone had anything bad to say about SS this age? Any claims of unfair behavior? cheating? rudeness? I haven't seen any.

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I haven't heard anyone speak I'll of SS this age although I really haven't heard of them much before this age either. I have 3 friends all in separate warring kingdoms that fought them. The only thing I gathered from them all is the bring one hell of a fight and destroyed their TM's. Not sure who their war losses are to but I know of 3 war wins.

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Originally Posted by AlphaQUp

This isn't really a debate about one side of the story or anither. I read SS's account of how it went down and don't find anything wrong with FS's actions based on SS's own account of things. At least nothing that would've justified deal breaking eoa CFs and gb one kingdom.

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and who died and made you God? you said you read SS's account of things...they aren't the one razing into a war. Their only "crime" was to actually war FS rather than running. Same thing we did earlier this age btw. So how would SS' account of things show you if it is worth hitting into a war for, if SS isn't the one hitting into war?

just a reminder FS db allegations are still unanswered

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

Their only "crime" was to actually war FS rather than running. Same thing we did earlier this age btw.

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If i remember the chronology of events correctly, and your PM to FS, you didnt decide to war. you were hiding behind declaration range. FS forced you into the war because you were careless with hostile points. So no. not the same thing.

FS db allegations unanswered. Pretty much the summary of this thread.

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Originally Posted by s7ark

If i remember the chronology of events correctly, and your PM to FS, you didnt decide to war. you were hiding behind declaration range. FS forced you into the war because you were careless with hostile points. So no. not the same thing.

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see, that's just one of those lies FS likes to tell. You can't on the one hand wave a kingdom below declaration range and then accuse them of hiding behind declaration range. FS was the one trying to hide behind declaration range.

In my statement I however just meant that we also did not run and warred them.

and how is that statement about db and hitting into hostile coming? figured out a good spin yet?

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Originally Posted by AlphaQUp

You can have the monarchs of ruthless birdie etc post on here as they have that they are taking their actions strictly of their own accord but enough players from SS/ruthless/birdie have made it clear that there was collusion before and after the war with FS commenced. You have your friends raze into an active war to try and influence who crowns and you expected any other result than this? You brought these razes on yourself actions have consequences.

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what is wrong with influencing a crown? this is the first time i heard influencing a crown is against the rules.(not talking about FW or other rule-breaking issues) so if a kingdom is gonna crown others cannot do anything about it? I think we are debating on this issue for nothing. FS wants to crown, hits into SS, SS and co don't like to see FS crowning (and maybe personal reasons), hits into their war. sounds simple

hey guys, so much hate over here. However what I would like to say is it is a very fun real war. What is utopia without dramas? At least we can end the age with one big good bang and topics to talk on. Let us all see this in a while picture rather than pinpoint whom is at fault or whom is honorable or whatsoever. Peaceee guys!!

uh distancing myself from that statement pukusam. Crowning is not our concern. We may not think they deserve something called the honor crown, but we are razing because of bullying and sh1tplay

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

see, that's just one of those lies FS likes to tell. You can't on the one hand wave a kingdom below declaration range and then accuse them of hiding behind declaration range. FS was the one trying to hide behind declaration range.

In my statement I however just meant that we also did not run and warred them.

and how is that statement about db and hitting into hostile coming? figured out a good spin yet?

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you call bully because FS is stronger. Why would a stronger KD hide?

So you see sampuan online? or Loiso? im sure they have other things going on than to dwell here.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

uh distancing myself from that statement pukusam. Crowning is not our concern. We may not think they deserve something called the honor crown, but we are razing because of bullying and sh1tplay

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ofc you're not. i dont think the guys who complains about 'bullying' deserves to be in the running for crown. Especially the honor crown. I agree its BS to call it honor. but treat it as a resource should clear your mind of it.

on a side note. I didnt realize this game has so many wieners. Where are the players of old who compared strats and discuss math. Or am i in the wrong thread? I'm sure most of the old timers are used to all these 'bullying'. Think the new breed are getting soft. the bunch, not the KD, no disrespect.

I have a few suggestions if you venture over to the"suggestions" part of the forums. People should check out that area more often when they believe things need to change. Bishop will tell you the same thing. If you want to see changes or have ideas that's where you go.

Anyways carry on everyone!

Monarch of Birdie here.
I raze FS because Protector told me to.

Next one i be razing will be WSK when they in war with Ascension. I wont explain why.

49hrs before EOA, I will go into war with BB at Max hostile meter. Will WD 10 min before EOA

Simple as that. Protector said: "You nub..it was so easy to get honor crown. And I will show to these GHETTOS"

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Originally Posted by s7ark

you call bully because FS is stronger. Why would a stronger KD hide?

So you see sampuan online? or Loiso? im sure they have other things going on than to dwell here.

on a side note. I didnt realize this game has so many wieners. Where are the players of old who compared strats and discuss math. Or am i in the wrong thread? I'm sure most of the old timers are used to all these 'bullying'. Think the new breed are getting soft. the bunch, not the KD, no disrespect.

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I never called them stronger..they are bigger. Province size says nothing about a players skill or dedication.
You ask a good question there. The scenerios are either a)they have to wave kingdoms below declare range because they can't take that honor from opponents at same size...or b)they wave much smaller kingdoms because they enjoy bullying. Either way doesn't look real good on them.

the only reason I always add that to the end of my posts is because they strategically avoided it for hours. answering every other post except Iampost's. Just don't want it forgotten. In essence I am helping FS out. By repeating it they wont have to go through all posts. They will see it if they go to the end of the thread. I also made the question our kingdom banner :) Just to make sure they see it. Wouldn't want wild accusations floating around behind their backs and all ;)

I was there...were you? math and strategy have their own thread with a witty name "strategy talk", no idea how they came up with something so unique.

p.s. we are Lost Souls and are not competing for any crown.

remember the gb and hits into active hostile allegations against FS

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

you said you read SS's account of things...they aren't the one razing into a war. Their only "crime" was to actually war FS rather than running. Same thing we did earlier this age btw. So how would SS' account of things show you if it is worth hitting into a war for, if SS isn't the one hitting into war?

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The top kds namely (Pyro, BB, Crazies, Pandas) need to find any excuse to justify their actions to side with their allies FS, regardless of what they attempt to deny.

Even though the monarchs of all kds currently hitting FS (Goodwitch, Night, Feint) have already posted and confirmed time and again their actions were on their own accord, mostly due to wanting to revenge against FS due to their previous ****play. But FS appealed to their allies for help, so BB and their core leaders (Protector, Flogger, Palestine) who are conveniently leading 3 of the these kds decide to step in to help their allies FS and in the process breaking EOACF with SS in the process.

Now that they have already started hits, they cannot stop or else be labelled as having ****played themselves by blatantly dealbreaking and razing into war. We have some friends in those kds hitting us who pmed us that they refuse to follow the rest of them blindly razing like sheep because their leaders are still attempting to justify their own ****play. To this I salute you (you know who you are). To the rest of the top who insist on holding hands and bending over to FS's requests, I hope you are proud for what you have accomplished. You really showed us little guys who's boss, how you can use your high standing to keep hitting down those below you, and how you act based on corrupt lies fueled by hatred without analyzing both sides of the story.

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Originally Posted by AlphaQUp

This isn't really a debate about one side of the story or anither. I read SS's account of how it went down and don't find anything wrong with FS's actions based on SS's own account of things. At least nothing that would've justified deal breaking eoa CFs and gb one kingdom.

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Except ss did not ask anyone to deal break and start a gb, we were happy to war 1v1 - now their seems to be some sort of proof going around. Fs says I'm not allowed to see it

[12/22, 9:55 PM] Utopia - Fs: Im not going to share anything with you obviously
[12/22, 9:58 PM] Markers: Ok why are you not willing to share
[12/22, 9:58 PM] Markers: Or work with me
[12/22, 9:59 PM] Markers: I'm trying to be nice here and end this so you can crown still
[12/22, 10:03 PM] Utopia - Fs: I dont need to show you anything to prove myself, you can accept it yourself, or decide not to

Please enlighten me as to how i orcastrated such a huge gb on fs but conveniently left out 2 of my actual allied 25prov kds and instead convinced feint, my mortal enemy, to help + 2 kds with no firepower...I'm waiting

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Originally Posted by Duke_

The top kds namely (Pyro, BB, Crazies, Pandas) need to find any excuse to justify their actions to side with their allies FS, regardless of what they attempt to deny.

Even though the monarchs of all kds currently hitting FS (Goodwitch, Night, Feint) have already posted and confirmed time and again their actions were on their own accord, mostly due to wanting to revenge against FS due to their previous ****play. But FS appealed to their allies for help, so BB and their core leaders (Protector, Flogger, Palestine) who are conveniently leading 3 of the these kds decide to step in to help their allies FS and in the process breaking EOACF with SS in the process.

Now that they have already started hits, they cannot stop or else be labelled as having ****played themselves by blatantly dealbreaking and razing into war. We have some friends in those kds hitting us who pmed us that they refuse to follow the rest of them blindly razing like sheep because their leaders are still attempting to justify their own ****play. To this I salute you (you know who you are). To the rest of the top who insist on holding hands and bending over to FS's requests, I hope you are proud for what you have accomplished. You really showed us little guys who's boss, how you can use your high standing to keep hitting down those below you, and how you act based on corrupt lies fueled by hatred without analyzing both sides of the story.

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Decently said.

Also to the rest, You think SS can ask me do thing for them? My history with Divinity, Pyro, PEw PEw, this age with BB. Come on, what is SS. Further more CJ also not in SS anymore.
Also to Markers, I will still be coming for you. Dont forget. I just waiting for BB to soften you. Ur def kinda high now.

You better watch out, you better watch out....

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Originally Posted by Feint

Monarch of Birdie here.
I raze FS because Protector told me to.

Next one i be razing will be WSK when they in war with Ascension. I wont explain why.

49hrs before EOA, I will go into war with BB at Max hostile meter. Will WD 10 min before EOA

Simple as that. Protector said: "You nub..it was so easy to get honor crown. And I will show to these GHETTOS"

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Protector would never say this. most know that already, but I want to avoid newer people getting the wrong impression.
Protector and me may not always see eye to eye but I have known him for years, that is definitely not something he would say.

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Originally Posted by pukusam

what is wrong with influencing a crown? this is the first time i heard influencing a crown is against the rules.(not talking about FW or other rule-breaking issues) so if a kingdom is gonna crown others cannot do anything about it? I think we are debating on this issue for nothing. FS wants to crown, hits into SS, SS and co don't like to see FS crowning (and maybe personal reasons), hits into their war. sounds simple

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Influencing the crown within the confines of normal game play is expected. Using gangbangs, eocf dealbreaks, and rk into war is an entirely different story...

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

Protector would never say this. most know that already, but I want to avoid newer people getting the wrong impression.
Protector and me may not always see eye to eye but I have known him for years, that is definitely not something he would say.

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I got the logs...wahahah...Guess u didnt know him well enough...

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Originally Posted by Pale

Influencing the crown within the confines of normal game play is expected. Using gangbangs, eocf dealbreaks, and rk into war is an entirely different story...

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all part and parcel of uto. which is what makes it fun imo. we shld learn to embrace chaos in uto. other than having all these kind of EOACFs and what not. backstabbing, deal breaks, rk is what makes utopia a great game.

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Originally Posted by pukusam

all part and parcel of uto. which is what makes it fun imo. we shld learn to embrace chaos in uto. other than having all these kind of EOACFs and what not. backstabbing, deal breaks, rk is what makes utopia a great game.

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Well there you have it ladies and gentlemen :D

Think of it as this: fs is the honorable king and rules the empire. Kds like ss are just your average peasants who need to pay their weekly dues to the king. But not only are ss not willing to give their weekly donation to the king, they are actively try to fight back and demand fair treatment. Meanwhile, the rest of the lowly farmers (lost souls, ruthless, etc) also become tired of being constantly picked on by the king and decide to join in the revolt. This puts Lord Hagen and his empire at jeopardy, but luckily the king has many powerful friends, so he calls in his paladins and his most powerful allies from neighboring kingdoms do put a swift end to any possible rebellion by destroying any resistance from the farmers.

The lesson is: Never oppose those with more power than you, in particular, never oppose the king. Even though you might gain supporters from the peasant class who pity your situation, you are in the wrong by not doing what the king asks and deserve to be killed to set an example to other would be revolters.