Well that's your aspiration, as most of us here. but if they are trying to crown and does things within game mechanics to get it, why complain? if you're looking for an interesting conflict, get within range and rape their honor. Are you sure though they were gunning for honor crown from the start of age?
pff cant login now, plz tell me how many RKs so far?
I would assume they were gunning for war and/or honor from the beginning of the age, both of which are heavily facilitated by ghetto-bashing.Originally Posted by s7ark
And no, I don't think saying 'that's just how mechanics work' excuses anybodies behavior or exempts anybody from decency.
The game mechanics allow this group of warring KDs to all raze FS at once, why isn't anyone just telling FS to just suck it up because 'that's how game mechanics work!' and 'They're just using game mechanics to try and secure a crown!'
If people stuck to fighting people of the same or similar relative skill, as opposed to trying to hide from people of similar skill so as to bully people of lesser skill, more people would be playing the game today.
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Overall, I would say FS declining to come to war terms with SS, stonewalling their attempts for diplomacy, waving the, waving them again while still balking at diplomacy, and then acting surprised when there if some blowback is just exemplary of the outcomes you'll get when you treat people the way FS treats people.
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How much more false propaganda you want to diss out? SS had agreed not to compete for Honor crown and they had an agreed war with divinity, hard for SS to gain much if any honor from that. Whereas FS had the rest of age to continue gaining honor.
Cut the crap, just say you wanted to satisfy the massive void that is your ego. And now calling in your anti-Abs alliance who all had to dealbreak eoacf deals with SS, just to deal with this. Cute. Hope you are feeling proud of yourself.
Only 1 green province on each side last i saw.
Meep: I don't disagree, FS does a number of things that I find distasteful at times.
That said, the effort to GB FS isn't because of distasteful things they've done (like running less than 25 if they've actually done that), it's because they're 'bullying SS by waving them when SS is out of range'. I don't consider waving a kingdom to be inappropriate (though I do frown on bullying, that is not bullying unless it is accompanied by an unwillingness to do diplo for example), and do consider trying to GB a kingdom for waving you just because you couldn't war them to be unacceptable.
The same way that I consider breaking an EOACF just because you feel like you were pushed into making a deal to be unacceptable.
Ultimately, the GB isn't because of mechanics concerns, the GB is because there are people who believe that this specific act is immoral and worthy of a GB. I would disagree with that stance. There are plenty of other things that could be spun into a justification, but that isn't one. To be frank, it seems from my conversations with Mirana that the concern is over making players quit because they're being hit. Again, I feel like the focus is in the wrong place, though I think that is an appropriate focus. If that is the concern, the focus should be on kingdoms that are still running under 25 provs and baiting ghettos into war -- because that's what is most toxic for new players. Not a random hit, and certainly not a wave on another top 5/10 kingdom.
I think that game mechanics allow that a group of disgruntled KDs are able to gangbang you if you manage to leave too many disgruntled KDs in your wake.
I think the risk of gangbang serves as an incentive to not treat everyone around you poorly. This applies to growth KDs, warring KDs, everyone, if you **** on too many people, the risk of a gangbang is there. The more people you've pissed off, the larger the force opposing you is likely to be and the more trouble you're likely to have recruiting people to help you.
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If what SS says about FS ignoring their messages, refusing to work with them, not bothering to talk at all until after the second wave, etc... is true, I'd say that very much qualifies as bullying.
I think that the attempted GB on them is not derived solely from their wave on SS, which on its own looks mostly reasonable. I think that the attempted GB on FS is the product of the way they treat other KDs on the server on a routine basis.
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That said, I think SS was pretty clearly trying to run and end-around on FS to try and get the honor crown in spite of their claims otherwise.
If I'm FS, I just tell SS that if they don't hold to their word w/re to the honor crown, then it will be forcibly taken from them and then let them go on their way to war divinity.
Why bother setting up a big negative to do at the end of an age, put the honor crown at even more risk, and risk even further blowback in future ages?
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Sorry dude, it's you who should stop your propaganda campaign :) It's just not working. You should think about some alternative approach, really.
There were lots of more valid points presented in the last few pages, and although it may be fun to argue about "morality", "principles" and "honorable play", but please stop trying to convince the others that SS doesn't care about the honor crown. Actions speak louder than words. Clearer, too.
and thats where this argument is flawed. you assume. IF FS was gunning for honor, and since they've used the same tactics since the beginning of the age, given their notoriety, don't you think they would all be princes by now? I think they're just looking for a fun conflict and realizes they happen to be in the run for honor crown so they go for it. Isn't that how honor crowns are competed?
Bullying gets boring pretty quickly. As myself, im sure everyone who is still here in this game looks forward to interesting conflicts. This isn't how it is back then where you glorify yourself and/or your alliance by bullying. what do you get from it anyway? bragging rights among the 30 who actually reads the forums?
And what is this alternative scenario that you mention? That SS will beat Divinity and in the process gain more honor even though Divinity starts with 30k less honor? Obviously you are right actions speak louder than words, shows us perfectly why FS ****played on purpose and why FS waves for honor without responding to SS's cf offer. Cool, thanks for clearing that up.
I'm rooting for SS, FS uses dirty tactics and is getting what's coming to them
I mention the scenario of becoming engaged in the process called "logical reasoning". The point stands: in the hypothetical scenario where everyone just hugged each other and went on their own business, and SS just happened to gain enough honor to surpass FS, what would happen next? I assume something along the lines of "oh sure, take it from us, just don't do anything dishonorable like hitting into our eowcf, while we're in it, or into the "active" hostile after we've waved some random KD".
"Honor" crown decided by bullying and other not-so-nice behavior? Yes, that sucks, and it's been like that for a very long time if I'm not mistaken. But I don't see how trying to sneak your way to it is any better.
Obviously being the mighty fs, you always hit first then ask questions later. Why waste time doing diplomacy with ghetto noobs. Need more people to join in and help fs, that'll teach them lowly peasants who try to stand up to superpowers like fs.
^^^^^ so much this
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