Be very interesting if a gb unfolds from this. They definitely deserve it.
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Be very interesting if a gb unfolds from this. They definitely deserve it.
When I read the last portion of Elit's longer post I get the impression he doesn't care one way or another about the outcome of this age.Quote:
Be very interesting if a gb unfolds from this. They definitely deserve it.
If it's my kingdom I'm going to think twice before crossing PB's/AMA I don't think they will be too forgiving to any kingdom participating in a GB in future ages. You know them kids that fight dirty and you think I'm gonna kick that kid in the nuts because that's exactly what he will do to me? Well you go and kick them in the nuts and the next thing you know they're gouging your eyes out, just sayin.
Well if it is to happen...it should be a natural/reasonable action by all kingdoms fed up with **** play from top to bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koodo
However the powers at be sound more like they know the wheels on the bus are coming off but choose to ride it until it crashes and burns just to avoid walking
Continuing with my JSS forum sitting:Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJuan
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By the sounds of it DonJuan Pyro will join in a GB vs AMA. My assumption is how you worded your statement and the fact that I just noticed Pyro is in fortified, same as RBL. RBL has a freshly/fat explored province so that makes sense but why is Pyro fortified? :P GL your gonna need it.
Evul plan of AMA just did well.
This age we'll always be remembered badly for AMA' KD. Too bad everyone knows how lame was it.
Im not PRO CR nor PRO AMA. But what I saw and happened was teh fck! AMA just killed DIPLOMACY! Their should be a legal punishment for dealbreakers. If you cant fight then run. Even the best fall down sometimes but not that way.
P.S.
I love AMA how great they War. Thumbs Up to that.
Everyone wanted to see a fair WAR on no.1 and no.2 KD. Should be a history war turned to an epic fail.
LoL we have been in fortified since right before the deal break...back when we thought we could/would war AMA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koodo
thanks for just noticing tho...you gave conspiracy theorists a run for their money
I will remember this as the age that PB fought their way to the top and CR out diploed the server and just whore/taxed to the top (using a similar whore start as their last age but with the CFs in place this time). Then CR's greatest strength turned into its greatest weakness as the Polar Bears ignored their diplo. The next few days here will determine what the state of diplomacy will be in Utopia. No action from the top means CFs mean nothing and we will make whoring rather difficult (I kind of hope for this). If action is taken, we will have to refer to PB as dealbreakers for the next 2.5 ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaRCoRoXoR
Just 2.5? I think we at least deserve 4, minimum! People need to learn to keep their grudges!Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
Precedence has been set, please do not try to change the rules of DB as well as rules of CF. <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Cello
AMA did something really bad, wonder who till take action against AMA
There's usually a pretty big dealbreak every few ages, I think people are overstating the impact this one of 10,000 dealbreaks will have going forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
I think AMA might regret this. Its fun during the wave but might leave a bitter aftertaste, the good run of warwins will be forgotten and the dealbreak will be remembered. Why did AMA need to point out Elit didnt lead the wave, embarressed?
i couldnt see nesta/cj reaction from this dealbreak, pyro's future crown depends on this outcome.
i would say, if pyro/pew/simians/rage wont do anything on this issue, CF term in utopia wont exist anymore. its a free for all war for the next age!
As it should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathcliff
I think we can all agree this is the funniest dealbreak. I really hope this results in no CFs at the top just constant fear of conflict. This is not a time of peace, this is a time of war.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
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Originally Posted by Band of Horses
Well then, All top KD will just wait when will AMA dealbreaks again when they feel threaten to make sure they'll go ahead no.1. So any other Top KD's who are not thier ALLIES is just waiting when will AMA dealbreaks again. TOP KD needs to work on it now and agree to disagree on whats going on. ALL TOP KD who are not allied with this no.1 KD is hopeless as hell. Wasting time and waiting for AMA to take action:) Should have done something earlier and theres always another time. NEXT AGE, NEXT NEXT AGE. Forever. Sad to say even the best KD cant compete against many. So they'll end up asking for more allies now and get ready for next age because they made another grudge to a complete SKD. Same thing happens when CR dealbreaks AMA, but they choose not to and it was a good choice. People who surrounds utopia dont matter how badly the victim was. Even if it doesnt matter to the dealbreakers on how people say, It does to the community. Respect is something earned.
No offense but was this intentionally Elitish?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaRCoRoXoR
From what I can make of your statements you think AMA is going to need more allies next age to handle the grudge they just made with CR. I don't think this is the case. I think it is more of a situation like Pew vs AMA. And remember everyone starts at 400 acres, on even ground AMA doesn't lose. So if CR gives loc early like they did this age, it is going to happen before anyone can have an edge. CR doesn't have allies to build into the grudge so why does AMA need allies for this.
If AMA and CR both drop from the crown race I don't think this has lasting impact as far as CFs go. I think if AMA stays at the top and no one actions, it might. But people have short memories in this game. So I guess I agree with Flogger, this is getting blown out of proportion as far as lasting impact goes.
Regret for what? Every age we play fair and honorable and every age we get insane ****s. We got double hostile/ deal break/ GB /farm out/razes from ghetto friends past few ages from different kds just to stop us from win. For what need to regret? Look like only way to scare ppl now is to show them we can be lame like them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitram
Im not embarrassed too. Was away for 14 days and 2h late for wave date. Decision for wave was taken after vote pool from kd. Its not my solo decisions.
spot on. This thread can be summarised with this comment. The rest of the comments from AMA are just BSQuote:
Originally Posted by Abscond
Maybe you miss my long post about age overall. There was 4 kds in land chart yr 0 and all was cfed. Pew Pew/Pyro refused to cf us and efective block our kd from explore/pump/random for half age after it rage jumped us after 5 weeks pump. Afterr our war with pew pew pyro cfed us and after our war with rage pyro extend his cf with us beore his war with Simians so there wont be vulture from our side. I dont see any bad diplo from our side. Rage/Pyro/Pew cfed for this long Havc because wanted them to slow us. Basicaly we had all 4 kds going after land chart team up vs 1 kd all age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanoize
After CR state in forum they notice us and we cant war other kd i asked CJ if we get double hostile are pyro going to help us. Didn't get positive answer. Try to imagine how are feel ppl in my kd after age ike this where every one is look for cheap way to hurt us and get acres. Did we get any fair chance all age?
Stop look over your side story only and look objective over all picture.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
I'm hoping that regardless of what happens...it will end with the same result: planting the seed of anarchy in top tier politics!
Ask yourself why 4 KD's did not want to CF you at all. Maybe that might answer your question about not getting a fair shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
What Runefire said.
You reap what you sow.
..and then a non-top kingdom comes along and steals the crown (SWEA) :pQuote:
Originally Posted by MaRCoRoXoR
I just remembered an old quote about utopia, think it was on the login page once?
I find it hilarious that people actually try to pretend that deals made between kingdoms should somehow be higher and more valuable than everything else in the game, including winning. And then go on to call this "good sportsmanship".Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopia Blog
If this kind of thing happens in real sports, clubs making deals to determine the winner of a competition in advance, it's a big scandal and for good reasons. But somehow now in utopia it's not only OK but more and more the only way to go - up to and including an angry mob to destroy everyone threatening the sanctity of making a deal.
Protection for war win, acres for war win, acres for science, ... you name it and it's probably been done a couple of hundred time during the last couple ages.
Deals are fine as they are, as long a both parties get something out of it. So for example in utopia it's often "we'll stop hitting you if you do A,B and C". Basically making a vassal out of a previously independent kingdom. However, this kind of deal only works for as long as the vassal kingdom has to be afraid of retaliation. If you overextend and do this thing to a lot of kingdoms, they might realize that you cannot punish them all at once and you have a revolution on your hands.
This is the nature of deals. They are made between individual kingdoms in a specific situation. If you are the stronger party you can force a **** deal on the other kingdom but they will always look for ways to get around that from then on. Wiser rulers might realize this and offer better deals which are more stable.
In short, I see nothing that would put breaking a deal on the same level as 2vs1 or hitting into another conflict. It's an action between two kingdoms in a war game that could, but doesn't have to, lead to a war between them. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Originally Posted by Band of Horses
I dont think they'll handle things well next age even if they tag late. The whole point is "everyone who is upperhanded will take AMA next round and wont think twice". This kind of situation just wont matter this time, it will take effect forever. BAD KARMA (what goes around comes around). I do love AMA, they beat most of the TOP KD. Was saddened when they did thing like this.
Good luck have fun to all til EoA.
Its not 4 kds didn't want to cf us, its 4 kds used each other for slow/down us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Runefire
We CFed Havoc last age when zauper was in charge and both kds had good relation.
Rage cfed us when its become clear we are going to wave them next 24h if we don't cf.
Pyro Cfed us after we won vs Pew Pew and become danger for them alone block us more.
Havoc decide to not extend cf us and call dibs after Simians farmed out and our cows get razed same time. You can say its "smart" move but its lame move. Same going for what we did in return.
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Originally Posted by TommyB
Say what you can say for now when its not you who is the target. Im not playing at CR but everyone can see it very clearly that it was never good to cheat.
Just like when your gf tells you that after a year she will surely accept you as her husband but in the 11month she already cheated on you with another man. What will you feel? Feel Happy? hahaha thats the easiet way for you to understand. That deals should not be broken, it can be mend but not the other way. Thats why it sucks to wait and lose everything.
Its good to know everybody else are allowed to cf your kingdom and break it whenever they see fit in the future.
GL with that.
love the drama.
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Originally Posted by MaRCoRoXoR
There aren't enough good kds left to upperhand AMA. RBL tried, Pew Pew tried. CR was going to be the first but only because they were that far ahead after the simians farm out. I see both sides to this and only AMA is admitting that both sides were bad mannered.
It would take some time but then I'd feel happy that I didn't make the biggest mistake of my life and marry that b....Quote:
Originally Posted by MaRCoRoXoR
Everybody is already taking that option into consideration and if they decide to keep the deal it's because they see some kind of advantage in that. Either because my kd could still become a threat in the current age or to avoid retaliation in the coming ages. Or maybe because they are afraid that utopia forums QQ would damage their reputation.. regardless it's something my kd would have to deal with on it's own one way or another. Which is why it's so hilarious when the biggest kd on the server for 80% of the age goes "Oh my god we're completely helpless because we had to keep minimum draft and pump build while powerplaying our biggest rival to war us. Now we need the entire server to GB these villans to make up for our mistakes."Quote:
Originally Posted by Folle
All of them actions are due to what you brought upon yourself. Why does this not constantly happen to others all what you mentioned?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
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Originally Posted by Elit
ROFL, how f#%king pathetic are you? At least be a man and admit that what you and your KD did was pure ****play and dont try to whine and somehow claim that you did were even remotely morally justified.
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Originally Posted by Band of Horses
A SKD is not always the same every age. Things change as well as the playstyle. Everyone who tried beating AMA will someday get it :) Champions didnt win it all ^^
She cheated with your father. Dealbreaker! is good? How is it going to be fine? The thing is! Dealbreaking is cheating. Cheaters always lose in the end. Not this round, in the end. Backstabbers wont get any honor, they get something its not worthful. As ive said and ill say it again, I dont have against AMA or any KD, what most people didnt like is they dont need to pretend like nothing wrong happened. They ****ed up everything. There should be a blockbuster war going on now. And they ruin it :(Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyB
Guys do you read what Elit said? He admitted in every post that it is a ****play! Stop the repeat mode and think :).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tedurur
No he didnt, he is still trying to justify it with all his "oh we were bullied, poor us bwawawaw" That is frankly pathetic. AMA were outplayed and decided to take the low road instead of honoring a diplomatic deal with a KD they claimed to have good relations with. Thats all there is to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter
Well he did admit what they did was lame..
Anyhow I don't like Ama, but they are pretty much like any other kd that does things that they can get away with.
Word!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tedurur