Spartans Vs Nonpandas

Everyone tries to analyze who did what wrong, who had time to prep etc etc etc. Its all a could have should have would have ....

It pretty much all boils down to the fact that we have been in either conflict or prep for 20 full days. See marves post August 26th, when Jesters DB us. The majority of LS has been sitting a prov during both conflicts. Having to wake up 2 times per night to hit in conflict. Then having to micro manage in eowcf which requires waking up during the night as well. Thats close to 20 RL days without a good nights sleep.

Which is why we asked for a 3 day extension from Bart, so we could actually get some rest. But as we all know, Bart refused that. And there you have it, the main reason for our poor performance.

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Hey now, I just landed my first assignment. Gonna be promoting FIFA17 in a pop-up store. That's what u study for rekt! I got a feeling it's the beginning of something special.

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They never learn:

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Originally Posted by Loons

Everyone tries to analyze who did what wrong, who had time to prep etc etc etc. Its all a could have should have would have ....

It pretty much all boils down to the fact that we have been in either conflict or prep for 20 full days. See marves post August 26th, when Jesters DB us. The majority of LS has been sitting a prov during both conflicts. Having to wake up 2 times per night to hit in conflict. Then having to micro manage in eowcf which requires waking up during the night as well. Thats close to 20 RL days without a good nights sleep.

Which is why we asked for a 3 day extension from Bart, so we could actually get some rest. But as we all know, Bart refused that. And there you have it, the main reason for our poor performance.

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6 days between wd and end of notice is a break. If people need longer breaks then why is the standard cf notice 3 days (after eowcf)? If your waking up in the middle of the night to micro prep, well thats ok I guess but maybe a good nights sleep is better prep for war then waking up to save a couple hours?

meh ... few things ...

theres no such things as vulture, if ur in position to get screwed oow, than gg for other kd for having better setup cf's. And pox on your house for puting yourself in position to be farmed oow. You deserve nothing less.

cut the crap about glorious 6 days prep, thats bs. Anybody with two braincells to rub together understands humongous disadvantage 42 was at.

Last but not least ... sparta cheated. Period.
You are worthless scrubs who consistently cheat. Anything you achieved or achieve in the future is worthless and tainted.

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Originally Posted by Loons

Everyone tries to analyze who did what wrong, who had time to prep etc etc etc. Its all a could have should have would have ....

It pretty much all boils down to the fact that we have been in either conflict or prep for 20 full days. See marves post August 26th, when Jesters DB us. The majority of LS has been sitting a prov during both conflicts. Having to wake up 2 times per night to hit in conflict. Then having to micro manage in eowcf which requires waking up during the night as well. Thats close to 20 RL days without a good nights sleep.

Which is why we asked for a 3 day extension from Bart, so we could actually get some rest. But as we all know, Bart refused that. And there you have it, the main reason for our poor performance.

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Oh? I was approached by any of you with diplo? News to me! The only correspondence I've really had with your KD were your insults on these forums. I hope that in the future I can be worthy of your diplomacy.

Also, why do you think anyone would give you 3 extra to pump on 20-25% more land :D ?

I was fine giving you several weeks extension in exchange for 15K land. Now you lost 22K and 1.5 weeks of pump-time.

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Originally Posted by citadela01

meh ... few things ...

theres no such things as vulture, if ur in position to get screwed oow, than gg for other kd for having better setup cf's. And pox on your house for puting yourself in position to be farmed oow. You deserve nothing less.

cut the crap about glorious 6 days prep, thats bs. Anybody with two braincells to rub together understands humongous disadvantage 42 was at.

Last but not least ... sparta cheated. Period.
You are worthless scrubs who consistently cheat. Anything you achieved or achieve in the future is worthless and tainted.

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Says a player from one of the most notorious ****playing Kingdoms in utopia that hasn't achieved anything but what a GB can bring in recent ages. Let's for the sake of argument say that we did instruct Jesters (which was not so), it still pales in comparison with the ****plays that you have pulled off consistently over the last 10 ages. Give me a break. When I see your posts I think of only one thing: Nirnaeth Arnoediad.

Trololol <3 love youuuuuuu

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

By the time they finished their war gc stocks in Sparta were very low bar banks. We had to force-grow the entire way to keep up with Pandas. They were 62K when conflict with Jesters started, we were 48K. So in the same timespan we had to grow 34K acres and they 20K. We also from the forum arguments expected Jesters to drag to 50% so we hadn't really started stacking yet.

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So you knew when war started with jesters you had a lot of catching up to do? You had to grow 34k acres and you expected jesters to drag to 50% for this to happen? So it was a planned DB and war so you could create banks and prepare to vulture pandas? This whole post seems like you knew exactly what www happening and what you had to do. You have 0 integrity. You are a scrub.

I feel awful for 42 leadership.

I just joined a charming little kingdom that uses pimp, so now I'm not trying to go anywhere.

Left the first kingdom because they required Slack and I don't use external chat unless it's for something special. Still, was in war and got hammered down to 103 acres. Managed to stall the initial chain attempt the day prior, but that's not what I'm here to say. Overpopulated, losing elites, monitoring my peasant count tick by tick, I still cast a failed spell with my last remaining runes. I had zero acres built with everything else in the pipe.

That's what you're supposed to do.

This is to all 42 core who gave up: you're effort is the difference. You can say my effort was in vein in meaningless war in a corner of the game where nothing matters. The fact is, I was ready to step into one of your provinces with a vengeance because I love warring Sparta. Maybe you feel you were at a disadvantage? When my kingdom was waved by Panic Station last age I was the lone retaliator. Do you know why? Because it was a challenge. It's exhilarating for me to see an orc and an undead from a mighty kingdom aimed squarely at me; a fat dwarf cleric with bad science. Worried about my kingdom? Me to. I worry about anyone who lacks the spirit to retaliate the aggressor.

I feel awful for 42's core Strat0. I always blame the Leadership :D

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Originally Posted by maccar86

So you knew when war started with jesters you had a lot of catching up to do? You had to grow 34k acres and you expected jesters to drag to 50% for this to happen? So it was a planned DB and war so you could create banks and prepare to vulture pandas? This whole post seems like you knew exactly what www happening and what you had to do. You have 0 integrity. You are a scrub.

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Can you read?

I expected them to go to 50%, which they didn't do in the end. Due to the fact they surrendered sooner than we expected we were caught without gold stacks.

We grew simply because well... that's what growth KDs do!

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

I feel awful for 42's core Strat0. I always blame the Leadership :D

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Damn you Flash!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5HfDIwNI8w

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Oh? I was approached by any of you with diplo? News to me! The only correspondence I've really had with your KD were your insults on these forums. I hope that in the future I can be worthy of your diplomacy.

Also, why do you think anyone would give you 3 extra to pump on 20-25% more land :D ?

I was fine giving you several weeks extension in exchange for 15K land. Now you lost 22K and 1.5 weeks of pump-time.

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LOL Bart ..... so all the other top kingdoms gave us the CF extension to allow us time to chill a bit. And you are sitting here saying you werent approached by our LS for an extension? I would think that by this time, you would know that everyone talks to eachother, so ur BS is exactly what it is BS.

You flatout refused to give us an extension without us giving u land. ALL the rest of the top gave it to us for free. Yet your not going for crown right??

What is this? You are the 2nd person referencing Flash Gordon in Utopia today. I haven't heard about that movie ever since I've watched it before that.

Hmmm I don't recall receiving an extension while Simians was killing my honor prov(s). Have they ever done anything to deserve such preferential treatment?

I went back into the charts today to count how many crowns were won due to Simians/Pandas farm-outs and literally ran out of fingers. Why do you guys even grow knowing what happens to you every single time? Are you content with your level of success in this game?

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Originally Posted by Loons

LOL Bart ..... so all the other top kingdoms gave us the CF extension to allow us time to chill a bit. And you are sitting here saying you werent approached by our LS for an extension? I would think that by this time, you would know that everyone talks to eachother, so ur BS is exactly what it is BS.

You flatout refused to give us an extension without us giving u land. ALL the rest of the top gave it to us for free. Yet your not going for crown right??

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You just got a free extension from me, be grateful! Your KD has made it a sport to annoy me with your lame diplo always everyone referring me to someone else who supposedly holds authority, which is then put in doubt by others and in the end the guy that does hold authority can barely ever be reached. Even now Hesus wasn't even prepared to meet me for 5 mins on IRC to conclude the diplo. You cannot expect to **** on us 2 ages in a row and then expect a free crown. Octo is also among us, and he didn't forget you razekilled his high honor prov 3 ages ago for no particular reason.

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Originally Posted by citadela01

meh ... few things ...

theres no such things as vulture, if ur in position to get screwed oow, than gg for other kd for having better setup cf's. And pox on your house for puting yourself in position to be farmed oow. You deserve nothing less.

cut the crap about glorious 6 days prep, thats bs. Anybody with two braincells to rub together understands humongous disadvantage 42 was at.

Last but not least ... sparta cheated. Period.
You are worthless scrubs who consistently cheat. Anything you achieved or achieve in the future is worthless and tainted.

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Let me get this straight... The kingdom that has CFs in place and gets their CF deal broken is responsible for the timing of the deal break? Because you're saying they should have timed the first war better so that it didnt end with ability to be noticed. That is some asinine logic you have there mate.

I think citadela01 might've just had a brainfart. Looks like he's mashed two thoughts into one by human accident.

I think I get what he meant so he doesn't have to correct.

I'm sure he'll clarify when he's got the time.

Octobrev i know you are happy to see me but you are obsessing way to much over Simians.
If this is a mancrush i am not interested

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Octo is also among us, and he didn't forget you razekilled his high honor prov 3 ages ago for no particular reason.

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I seen you talk about this many times now as some kind of reason to jump Pandas.
Fact is Octobrevs KD attacked Pandas from what i know, straight into a war. Maybe if he wants to keep highest honor prov on server his KD should not hit into wars and steal Pandas into prep before that war. Its not like Pandas acted out of ill will towards Octo. His KD started it and Pandas ended it. I was not playing at the time but from what i can recall this was the case.

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Originally Posted by Humanoize

It is sad to see so much hatred against sparta, ...... I have no idea what kind of things he did in the past, because this is my first age in sparta. .... In ... sparta lives a general disbelieve that any of our LS had anything to do with Jesters dealbreak.

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If its your first age there then congrats you joined a kd without learning its history. If you learned its history you'd know that your leadership probubly had something to do with the dealbreak. I know i've seen their agreed upon war targets get "randomed" just prior to wars, and thats not even adressing the history being assholes against established kds.

Even now revisionist history like

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Get your facts straight.

"DB" vs Div was 3 ages ago and technically that wasnt even a DB.

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would make we wave into your next war prep/war if i weren't in an established kd and would be accused of helping friends in either bb or emeriti to cheat and win. (your kd got gb'ed, and had all its "allies" and friends turn against it becuase of how obvious just that 1 thing was)


The last kd that did as much stuff "wrong" was strippers/debauchery. And they disbanded instead of recruiting "more" people to help cheat. It boils down to

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Originally Posted by Humanoize

We play fair and everyone in our kingdom puts in a big effort to be able to even compete with the established order.

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Some people in your kd are playing fairly but your kidding yourself if this this conflict was 100% on even footings. Congrats on the win though, it was well played its just sad to see it go so 1 sided because of previous issues.

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Originally Posted by Persain

If its your first age there then congrats you joined a kd without learning its history. If you learned its history you'd know that your leadership probubly had something to do with the dealbreak. I know i've seen their agreed upon war targets get "randomed" just prior to wars, and thats not even adressing the history being assholes against established kds.

Even now revisionist history like

would make we wave into your next war prep/war if i weren't in an established kd and would be accused of helping friends in either bb or emeriti to cheat and win. (your kd got gb'ed, and had all its "allies" and friends turn against it becuase of how obvious just that 1 thing was)


The last kd that did as much stuff "wrong" was strippers/debauchery. And they disbanded instead of recruiting "more" people to help cheat. It boils down to

Some people in your kd are playing fairly but your kidding yourself if this this conflict was 100% on even footings. Congrats on the win though, it was well played its just sad to see it go so 1 sided because of previous issues.

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I said "technically". Doesn't mean I think it was a dickmove (it was) and that I do not agree with my actions back then (I don't) or that the community does see it as a DB (I understand that now).

Secondly, "probably" is nonsense. Get proof or be silent.

Thirdly. Every KD gets randoms. I'm good terms with nearly all KDs on the server. I think you mean "top-KDs" not "established KDs". There are tons of established KDs (old KDs) with which we are on very good terms :)

Didn't you deal break FS? and arrange a gb on fluffy with 3 others end of last age because you felt a player had insulted you being calling you a dick on whatsapp? - Just asking.

Congrat on the war win none the less, doesn't sound as close as the earlier posts in this thread suggested it would be.

I like you Bart <3 but you're as dirty as can be, when it suits your needs ;)

WELL, I guess nonpandas lost because THIS time they could not justify calling in 5 other kingdoms to help them win a war like they did to jesters.

No crown for nonpandas, mission ACCOMPLISHED.

Bart claimed he is friendly with many kingdoms.
Why not let us update the list (updated some based on their old post about bart)?
***Criteria***
Use Utopiaforum nick for identifying purposes
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Only 1 person from 1 kingdom
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you cannot add yourself if you are playing in Spartans

Friends
1. Jester LS
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3.

Foes
1. Arafanein
2. PErsian
3. Justiceleague
4. Citadel01
5.
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Originally Posted by Anri

Just not prepared enough with moral being down and to few people taking responsibility for the KD. I see a few that tried hard but even more that did not try at all and pretty much gave up in hostile.
I expected a much better fight from us and it feels kinda ****ty to perform this badly even under the circumstances. Not a proud moment.

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I support you in your moment of vulnerability and humbleness.

So much salt in this thread. We need tequila stat!

I am not Barts foe, I just think he's better then having to use dealbreaks/gbs etc to archive what he really wants... (a land crown), I read the forum and heard what had happened last age and start of this and wasn't impressed.

Bart a question though, you post like you are playing in this kingdom, yet you told me/everyone earlier in these forums that you played in the other "sparta" as the monarch duo to lack of time? So are you multi'ing/using proxy to run 2 accounts? or do you spend money on being invited back and forward?

Raikon, you got the lemon and body for the shots? :p

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Yea I read it and misinterpreted it on purpose to make a point and make it seem as if you agreed with it.

Anyways, I've tried to reach Pandas all day long since their surrender, messaging Vir, Anri, Loons, Peetah, Cappodocians and Hesus. None is willing to do diplo, so I guess that means B2B! Woohoo!

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Try Chuck?

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Originally Posted by octobrev

Hmmm I don't recall receiving an extension while Simians was killing my honor prov(s). Have they ever done anything to deserve such preferential treatment?

I went back into the charts today to count how many crowns were won due to Simians/Pandas farm-outs and literally ran out of fingers. Why do you guys even grow knowing what happens to you every single time? Are you content with your level of success in this game?

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Hmmm ... you know damn well that that situation did not happen cuz of nonpandas LS. It happened because 1 LS member at the time, ordered u killed due to ur trolling on irc. This player is no longer in LS and havent been for 2 ages. So u gonna keep the grudge then Octo... like Folle does?...

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

You just got a free extension from me, be grateful! Your KD has made it a sport to annoy me with your lame diplo always everyone referring me to someone else who supposedly holds authority, which is then put in doubt by others and in the end the guy that does hold authority can barely ever be reached. Even now Hesus wasn't even prepared to meet me for 5 mins on IRC to conclude the diplo. You cannot expect to **** on us 2 ages in a row and then expect a free crown. Octo is also among us, and he didn't forget you razekilled his high honor prov 3 ages ago for no particular reason.

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nonpandas have never expected a free crown, in fact a crown has never been the priority. As for lame diplo .... bart my dear, i think its pretty obvious that the lame part comes from you. But good luck i guess.... Go try to get that crown.

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Originally Posted by Castille

WELL, I guess nonpandas lost because THIS time they could not justify calling in 5 other kingdoms to help them win a war like they did to jesters.

No crown for nonpandas, mission ACCOMPLISHED.

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Not really. First ur 'mission' was to stop us from crowning, but the tune changed a lot didnt it, when we didnt just back off. Then after ur smashed into the ground u ask nonpandas to prevent emeriti from crowning. Then magically Barts jumps on nonpandas, then nonpandas are no longer in crown race (never was btw) and nonpandas are in no position to stop emeriti from crowning. Im confused really, who did Jesters try to block from crowning? Oh wait, i got it now ... they were just puppeteers for Bart

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Originally Posted by Loons

Hmmm ... you know damn well that that situation did not happen cuz of nonpandas LS. It happened because 1 LS member at the time, ordered u killed due to ur trolling on irc. This player is no longer in LS and havent been for 2 ages. So u gonna keep the grudge then Octo... like Folle does?...

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At least you're aware that I was actively helping you guys to stop the childish razes from B&P's ghetto (until I was randomly killed anyway)! It sure is hard to get the votes needed to send you a cf when your province keeps dying. I would never support such a fruitless razing venture. They didn't have the offense/attackers to do any notable damage so I advised them against it and warned your sad, disoriented kingdom that it was coming.

This war actually satisfies the killing of the second province in my mind while the first one was satisfied by your unintentional farming out to Spartans last round when Em waved in. We are now finally back to neutral territory! However, if you want favors like random cf extensions in the future, passing me a few extra acres right now wouldn't hurt. I never really understood why we couldn't be friends.

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Originally Posted by octobrev

At least you're aware that I was actively helping you guys to stop the childish razes from B&P's ghetto (until I was randomly killed anyway)! It sure is hard to get the votes needed to send you a cf when your province keeps dying. I would never support such a fruitless razing venture. They didn't have the offense/attackers to do any notable damage so I advised them against it and warned your sad, disoriented kingdom that it was coming.

This war actually satisfies the killing of the second province in my mind while the first one was satisfied by your unintentional farming out to Spartans last round when Em waved in. We are now finally back to neutral territory! However, if you want favors like random cf extensions in the future, passing me a few extra acres right now wouldn't hurt. I never really understood why we couldn't be friends.

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Right Octo....We all feel so bad for u .... your poor honor province .... Did u actually count how many times we razed u when u asked us to? At this point though it doesnt really matter. Im fairly certain that both Bart and Octo have sealed their final faith in this game

You actually want a number? Or is that sarcasm of some kind? I'm horrible at deciphering sarcasm.

2x razes from TheMango of CR <3
8x razes from Binar of Divinity <3
15x razes from Pandas (one bounce) <3
67x razes from Attero/Ashenfate of Spoonbills <3
9x razes from various people on IRC who I didn't really know. <3

Octo: you seem to forget when Anri/Simians killed your province when you played in PewPew :/

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

I am lacking in talent, the only thing I am capable of is attracting it!

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Attract me then...pleaseee

@Aranfein. I can apologize a thousand times for that event and it wouldn't be enough, yet I did not orchestrate or organize it. It was more a matter of me saying "Fluffy for no particular reason always being our friends suddenly screwed us, I'm going after them", and then others saying they also got screwed over and wanting a piece of the action. I never came to anyone asking/demanding for their help. That doesn't make it a good thing, although sometimes doing interaction with Zulu gets the worst out of people ^^

Wish you had been there back then and it wouldn't have been thus.

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Originally Posted by Binar

Octo: you seem to forget when Anri/Simians killed your province when you played in PewPew :/

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Ahaaa forgot about that.

Also won two wars over Octo while he played for Realest.

Hes like a lannister thats for sure.

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Originally Posted by Anri

Hes like a lannister thats for sure.

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I wonder if Lannisters die in the end.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

I wonder if Lannisters die in the end.

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Everybody does, that's why you retal. :-)