why is The U involved. U is working with Emeriti then sparta is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
seems more like greedy people riding the wave.
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why is The U involved. U is working with Emeriti then sparta is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
seems more like greedy people riding the wave.
What a s*** sandwich. Why did you drag your kingdom into this mess Chrystal? Couldn't resist getting on the bandwagon and playing white knight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
Chrystal <3 binbinQuote:
Originally Posted by jo.t.reid
(you are clearly in the wrong here Spartans, and the community is taking a stand against it)
War agreements are **** anyway. Why do you NEED to declare at a given time? Start fighting at a given time and whoever gets the button can choose what to do with it and when to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by beans
War declare and surrender should be picked by either of the kingdoms themselves rather than pre-agreed.
Should pick setups that works both ways and not only benefit a quick mintime war and then complain that others do not want to mintime war you.
Go infront of the mirror and keep repeating.. WHAT A S*** SANDWICH!Quote:
Originally Posted by jo.t.reid
Then go in the bathroom, shake your leg a bit and keep repeating that. Then retire to bed and wake up next day and everything will be fine!
There are a few kingdoms that I feel play the game the right way. They come across a new kingdom or monarch and they take the time to teach them how to play the game, and help them to understand the unwritten rules a little better. Sure, it would be far easier to just take advantage of them, steal their sciences and honor, or PK multiple provinces just to get a war win, but they know the key to this games survival is people playing it. When people are constantly getting beat down, bullied, or taken advantage of and never learn how to stop it, then they feel that this game is full of jerks they will never be able to compete with and so they quit. Net result is the game suffers. However when a player runs into a Monarch that is forgiving of his mistakes, and friendly and friendly or helpful, then they not only keep playing, but they try to recruit more friends and family to play the game. Net result is the game gets better.
We have run into both sides this age. One kingdom wanted to war us, and told us they were newbies like us and it would be a fair war. I told them I would ask my kingdom but before I could get back to them they had already grown 2k acres bigger than us without me noticing. They proceeded to smoke us in war, killed 3 of our provinces, laughed at us and called us newbs, and got 3 of my guys to quit the game. Then I ran into Spartans. First he taught me how I messed up negotiating with that shady kingdom by not putting in an acre cap or no PK term(I thought it was just a given since no one else had done it since I came back to game). Then he offered us a sweet deal for war, no PK, no AW or Massacre, no deep chains, AND after war was over we help shave the provinces that grew to big. Plus, he would give us the advice we needed to get better as a kingdom. This was a SWEET deal that I immediately agreed to, then took it back to my kingdom. Now, unfortunately after dealing with that lying kingdom that killed off three of our guys, my kingdom wanted no part of Spartans so I had to back out of the war at the last minute. Spartans was forgiving and understanding and their Monarch is still helping me to this day. It is kingdoms like the Spartans that keep me playing the game, and are helping me get better at it. My kingdom is plenty active, we just lack knowledge and experience, and we will gain that by dealing with kingdoms like Spartans.
Now, I know their are hardcore kingdoms out there that use deception to gain the advantage before war. You cannot fight fair, you have to have EVERYTHING in your favor in order for you to push the button. Spartans is not one of those kingdoms, but of course they are also not dumb enough to fall for your deceptive tricks. You see, when you run off all the "newbs" you love to bully, take advantage of and laugh at in the forums, soon you will only be left with hardcore players like yourself. Then you will have to make the hard choice. 1) Learn to play straight up and with honor, or 2) Find another game where you and your buddies can bully and laugh at newbs. Here's hoping you pick #2 so this game can get better again.
It's not greed. If it was greed we would be taking acres not razing them. We will not take 1 acre of land while they are in war or out of war. This is not about greed at all. It's about deal breaking. If someone ever deal breaks us I would hope we would have someone to step in and help us.
Uncle Ed I am glad your experience with Spartans was a good one. Not all kingdoms are that lucky.
There is no doubt that Heaven/Bart knows how to play the game and could and sometimes is an asset to the game.
The problem is that he wants to win no matter the cost. Everyone wants to win. But there is a line you shouldn't cross.
Your kingdom was a sure win for him, it's easy to be nice in a situation like that. If then after getting a war win and honor you also get rewarded with extra acres that you can stick on the provinces you need it on, that's even better. If in this case it was a win/win for both kingdoms that is awesome.
If then however he goes and offers a fake war to a kingdom asking them to give him a loss on their record without actually fighting or losing anything just to get other less skilled kingdoms to war them, then that is not so awesome.
When he words agreements purposely so that he can at any time get out of them, that is not so awesome.
When he is in a tight or losing war and gets outside help, that is not so awesome.
And it isn't just "elite" kingdoms he played dirty, it's any kingdom that doesn't give him what he wants when he wants it.
Wow. So this is how Spartans gets so many wars, by buttering up ghettoes and making them think they're doing right by them. It might as well be a fake war... If this is how Spartans plays then they really don't deserve any respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ed
Goodwitch, there are a couple of things I need to correct you on. First of all, my kingdom is not a sure win for anyone. When we fight a kingdom on an equal basis, we usually win which is why we are ranked high every age. So in other words, I suck at negotiating, and that usually costs us wars. Most kingdoms want to wait 2-3 days for hostilities to begin, and use that time to grow and train and have their friends come in and wave us and all sorts of BS that usually cost us the war. Spartans offered us war in 12 hours, and offered us the button as long as we declared within a 4 hour period. They were the same size as us, and agreed not to grow. Personally, I think we could have beat them, but my kingdom was still smarting from the dirty war with a dirty kingdom and a dirty monarch. Second off, I did not give him what he wanted, and he is still cool with me. When I cancelled war at the last minute I seriously expected to get waved by them, but he didn't do it. Instead, he scolded me, told me I sucked at negotiations, and that I should be more of a dictator with my kingdom.
All I am saying, is we have dealt with you "Elite" kingdoms for a few ages now. Most of you have no honor. You go in and wave a kingdom, raping them of honor and science points KNOWING they are too small and weak to fight back. When someone agrees to war you, you will pull every dirty trick in the book to get an advantage before war even starts, then pull every dirty trick in the book to win the war. This is why I really have no desire to be an "Elite" kingdom, and will be content with being somewhere between ghetto and elite. We will always try to take on an Elite kingdom, and sometimes we will even win a war against them, but we definitely do not want to partake in all the dishonorable BS you guys play. It just does not seem fun to me at all.
Like I said, I am happy there are kingdoms like Spartans, Divinity, Seagulls and all the others that have cool monarchs willing to point out our weaknesses and teach us how to get stronger. I consider Bart one of the "good guys" and since they are so few of them, I felt it important for me to come on and defend him. Hopefully some day my kingdom will be strong enough to help defend him against you dishonorable bottomfeeders in this game.
So Uncle ED thinks cheaters are the good guys.
By the community ofcourse he means the top eliete kds. Havent you noticed any time someone new pipes in to the conversation the same people who have been whining in this threat the whole time shoot them down with the whole "oh so you side with bad guys" lol that guy who said "stop whining and move on" was the most correct guy in the whole post. I should have done that a while a go and he was replied to with more qq. Lol oh and inb4 "I thought that last post would be your last" "look at this noob still contributing" "leave this thread already".Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Uncle ed if that is how you see this then more power to you buddy. Dont let any of those top kd or eliete players put you down or say you are just in some stupid ghetto. I appreciate your contribution to the conversation.
Forum dealbreakQuote:
Originally Posted by Aces
BoH what shall we do with this one?
You actually just explained why there are kingdoms standing up. Everyone knows Divinity plays straight. That's where Bart messed up, he tried to first corrupt Divinity into getting into a fake war with him and then when that didn't work he played them dirty.
No one is saying you have to dislike Spartans. Just know there are more sides to every story.
and again :) we are far from an elite kingdom. And we don't aim to be. This is not about "the top vs the bottom".
Lol ill probably be gb irl....... I dont....I dont want that... ._.Quote:
Originally Posted by jwuzi
i wouldnt worry about it aces, jwuzi has a girlish figure, nothing to fear here
hes also a world class frisbee golden retriever
My titties are extremely proportional to my race
Lol probably the best/wierdest thing I'll read today.Quote:
Originally Posted by jwuzi
Emeriti will find a way to drop the acres taken too. Policing a dealbreak isn't done for profit, it's done to punish and discourage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aces
But but but but but
This isnt a top vs Bottom thing at all.
You dealbroke and you are now getting punished for it. Thats whats happening here, nothing else
This is why, even though i think sparta messed up, I call all these white knights hypocrites. Me and every other player in ghetto/war tier has to deal with **** play diplo from the top (and from ghetto/war tier, not like like they are all saints either) and if the KD that gets **** played in diplo is a ghetto/war tier then it's always "to bad, so sorry, learn to diplo better." But if the KD that gets **** played is top or friends with the top then it's "clear DB, you must honour the intent of a deal."Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ed
Pretty clear to me that the intent of your war deal was NOT that one KD would drain its explore pool and war you with at a larger size then when the deal was made. Technically nothing in the deal forbade it though. But what really matters is that the KD that pulled that has supporters and your KD did not.
Of course people are saying that your good experience with sparta doesn't matter because it would have been an easy win for sparta so blah blah blah. Well it was a pretty easy win for the KD that **** played them, obviously they could have won with out the **** play but they did it any way. They pulled a tricky deal and PKd a KD that was both way below their skill level and had never done any wrong by them. Yet they still have their cheerleader squad cheering them on and using them as an example of how wars should be done.
Sparta's mistake? We thought we could pull tricky diplo on a KD that forced us to offer an EOA CF after waving under threat of endless more waves. We had no choice but to offer the CF or have this bigger KD ruin our age. However they clearly did not meet one of the WRITTEN requirements of the EOA CF so we *thought* we had justification for being able to get revenge. This was a mistake because A) **** play is never justified, even in response to **** play from others and B) We didn't have the strength/supporters to back a **** play against the KD that had wronged us.
Another LOL at the idea that sparta should be judged and crucified bc how we treat stronger kds. Of course we should be judged by that to a degree, but I think a better understanding of the true nature of a KD is how they deal with those that are weaker than them. Mid tier KDS know they will get **** played at the top, but they should also know that the **** play is only allowed to go one direction or they will get GBd and flamed.
I would like to share an experience I had with Bart and Spartans in September 2014, which I feel demonstrates that he is an honest and honourable man.
This is a copy of an email I sent to support at that time.
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I am Dracaena Cinnabari of TOG, one of its council members. Our monarch, Saraca (Shrinky)is caught up with exams and interviews in RL so I write in his stead.
Sometime ago we gave an invite to The Heretics ( then of x:xx who we warred having been given the button by some idiots in that kingdom)
Following our last war we lost 4 of our players 3 of whom abandoned their provinces to the kingdom.
The Heretics introduced us to a friend of his who took over Devine Trees province by invite
Saraca was approached by ingame message by someone calling himself Alexander who apparently was known to The heretics and vouched for by him, and was given Old Tjikiko province by invite.
On 24th January yr 8, we were not prepared for war and indeed had just sustained a wave from another kingdom and were about to go into fort.
In the space of 10 minutes over the tick into 1st Feb Yr 8 there were 9 Trad marches done by unknown provinces into xx:xx Spartans giving them the button.
No one took responsibility but subsequent soms showed that
The Heretics hit once for 76 acres
Old Tjikiko hit five times for 0 acres
Devine tree hit three times for 0 acres
The Heretics claims that he hit a different kingdom
Old Tjikiko claims his account must have been hacked into and that he has contacted you
Devine Tree claims he was sure that he didnt hit into anybody, but he was at his brothers wedding and was drunk.
It appears that there has been some collusion here between the three provinces in our kingdom and although I find it difficult to believe that Spartans were also involved - the speed at which they attacked ie. 11 attacks from 10 provinces on Feb 1st could suggest this. (although possibly they use whatsapp)
I know its probably stupid to ask whether the explanations from our three provinces could have any credence, but in the spirit of fair play thought you might look into the problem, and give us your opinion. I did wonder whether they might all be the same person. They had not given any indication that they were unhappy about anything.
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This is a shortened copy of a further email to support sent by me concerning their collusion with 3 of our provinces after Bart had referred himself and Spartans to support
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I sent this in game msg to monarch of xx;xx
Game Date February 22 of YR8
Real Date Tue, 2 Sep at 15:44 GMT+00:00
Sender The Wise King Bart of Spartan of Heaven
Recipient Viscountess Dragon the Rogue of Dracaena Cinnabari
Subject Re:Hi
Do you have IRC? Come to channel #Spartans
> Baroness Dragon the Rogue of Dracaena Cinnabari said: > > Following an email to support this am concerning the possible collusion of 3 of our provinces in starting an unwanted war the said provinces have been deleted by support.
I did stress that I didnt think that your kingdom was also involved, although it is difficult to understand why they did this, since there seemed no advantage to them.
February 20 of YR8The Lords of Utopia have swept down upon the province The Heretics (4:40) and crushed it.
February 20 of YR8The Lords of Utopia have swept down upon the province Divine Tree (4:40) and crushed it.
February 20 of YR8The Lords of Utopia have swept down upon the province Old Tjikko (4:40) and crushed it.
Let the battle continue
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I duly went as requested in his reply above to their irc channel, where Bart freely admitted that Heretics had been to see them several hours before war started and told them that the majority of the players in xx:xx were unhappy with the leadership of our kingdom and asked for their help in removing the said leadership.
He admitted that when the three provinces hit giving them, the button he thought it was a win win situation - they got free acres, honour, science and our kingdom got rid of a bad leadership. He duly ordered hits on the leaders and possible leaders.
To his credit following a post in the war forum he began to doubt the story he had been by Heretic
February 10 of YR8 #6
Baron Gaunthor the Rogue of
Venus Fly Trap in
Roots of Utopia
Courtier
Well I predict a fast 2 day win for you and some provinces being razed after the war on our side.
I guess the rebuilding time isn't over. Kind of like in WW2, we get to really hate the new recruits. It's just an endless stream of new recruits that keeps dying
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He did then order a few hits on Heretic to his credit.
He was very apologetic and gifted me 20 credits which I have since returned.
He spoke of giving us back our acres etc but I pointed out that was against the rules of war and could be classed as a fake war - so we left it that we would continue warring.
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Today, both monarchs talked and fell out in irc channel - I dont know what about, except our monarch asked me to write to you again re collusion with Heretics, even though I did not have any copy of the conversation of the admission on irc.
Bart sent request to me to come on irc this is the correspondence that followed.
Game Date March 15 of YR8
Real Date Wed, 3 Sep at 08:39 GMT+00:00
Sender The Wise King Bart of Spartan of Heaven
Recipient Viscountess Dragon the Rogue of Dracaena Cinnabari
Subject Re:Hey
I hope you can believe in my sincerity at least. I will accept any consequences. And I'm sad that it had to go like this.
If I get deleted I will most likely just quit the game, have seen enough and it only gives me stress. Spending hours and hours arranging things for this group of people and they can't even follow simple directives.
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I believe he is an honourable man who has made a mistake and the only punishment, I would want is for their win to be disallowed if possible.
I dont want ppl deleted or their kingdom suspended. Im sure that Saraca aka Shrinky , our monarch will also feel the same when he has calmed down
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At minimum time Bart sent us a mutual peace which we accepted.
I have had no contact with Bart since this episode, but Spartans is one of the very few kingdoms I would like to play in because I believe it is an honourable kingdom.
Any honourable person/kingdom can make errors of judgement.
I dont think these witch hunts that have happened in the last two ages do anything to encourage people to stay in the game.
The people who jump on the bandwagon and keep saying the same things over and over are acting like 6 year olds in a playground.
This is not about Spartans history, this is simply them dealbreaking and getting punished for it.
nothing more, nothing less
Very good timing on this post. After all the posts saying specifically that sparta deserves this because of our history (doing hardball diplo with bigger/stronger kds). Now that people are in here saying we have treated kds that we could safely **** play with honour and kindness you swoop in to clarify the mistake with "this is not about spartan's history"Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
score another point for the hypocrites, bc your right this is not about history. This is just about the mistake we made trying to **** play a strong kd that had wronged us instead of following the white knight example and **** play the weak.
I dont think we should have **** played (not a DB, I will never accept that something that would be allowed vs a weak kd is a DB vs a strong one). I dont think its wrong for the kd/alliance involved to respond with force. I do think it's wrong to turn this into a flame war or for people to pretend this is about justice, when it is really about strength. We did something that is commonly accepted in UTO, but we did it in the wrong direction.
Correction
Bullies in a playground
You guys also are not helping your "cause" with all the BS OOW hits and now even more top kds getting in on razing down a KD at war and much smaller. Talking to other KDs and my own KD mates my point of "we should not have **** played bc it was a ****ty thing to do even other ppl do it to us" is hard to get across when we have 4-5 kds oow razing. You are just proving that Bart was right to **** play and hard ball in his diplo with the top. Other mid tier KDs have suffered from top kd **** play, ppl in my kd have suffered from top **** play. None of these KDs or ppl want to listen to my advice "don't **** play at all, even if you've been wronged" two wrongs dont make a right, etc etc, when they see a massive OOW GB that would never happen if it was a top kd **** playing a mid tier. You might have proven a point when sparta got hit by emerati, after all emerati and divinity are allies. The point is getting unproven though as mid tier watches the top band together to OOW raze a single kd that is smaller than any of them.
Again:Quote:
Originally Posted by beans
This has NOTHING to do with:
#1 midtier vs top tier kds
#2 Spartans history (eventhough it doesnt help your case)
#3 What your kingdom members feel/think
#4 What other mid-tier kds feel/think
What this is about:
#1 Dealbreaking
#2 Dealbreaking
#3 Bad diplo and dealbreaking
You can't just dealbreak and then cry about how the consequences are unfair.
You were free to dealbreak.
They're free to do whatever the hell they want in response.
In the end, you still started it.
You know what I don't understand? Why people that are so good at being dicks find it necessary to explain why they are being dicks? I mean, have some pride fellas! Don't say, "we are being dicks because Bart broke a deal, and called my mom fat, and he deserves to be punished!!" Just say, "I am a dick and proud, and Bart is just gonna have to take it because there is nothing he can do about it." I just don't get it. My kingdom has come across quite a few dicks this age, and they all have to explain why they are being dicks like their is some kind of valid excuse or exception. I will admit I have done it. We were dicks to warlords this age. We made their whole kingdom pay for something one person said and did. I know it was a dick move, and I apologized for it because it really bothered me. You guys want to continue to give ur excuses for being dicks to the Spartans when there are people coming in here saying what cool guys they are and how well Bart treated us, then just admit that you are dicks and enjoy being dicks, because quite frankly I do not see an action here that warrants the gangbanging you have done to his kingdom, or the flaming you have done in these forums.
You don't seem to be getting this so let me use a real life example to you. Person A Agrees to a verbal deal with person B, Person A then breaks this verbal contract and People C,D and E get upset and start to fight with person A about this. See there is nothing against the in game rules the same as person a didn't break the law, but what he did do was break rules between people, so yes spartans are getting everything they deserve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ed
Gangland mentality - I guess for all that they are such good players they are acting like a typical group of bullies, who have little insight.
Ohhhh I get it now. Person A and Person B have a disagreement, and this gives person C, D, and E an excuse to be dicks, right? You guys crack me up, I am seriously laughing my ass off here. Spartans are in war, and 2 kingdoms are razing into this war because Bart broke an agreement with someone else. That is fricken hilarious. There is no bigger dick move in the game then razing into someone elses war, and why? Dealbreaking, Dealbreaking, Bad diplo and dealbreaking (did I get that right Binar?) hahaha
I have only been back in the game a few ages but I have to admit this is the most gutless thing I have seen. 2 HUGE kingdoms razing a kingdom 1/3 their size while they are in war. Tell me why again? oh yeah, they broke a deal. hahaha I have to log off now, my stomach hurts from laughing so hard.
No not at all person C,D and E have the right to disagree and do what they believe is right and in this case what is right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ed
Very good timing of your post as well when you have been shouting your technicalities out here on the forums and when technically you deal broke Emeriti you say its not fair!!Quote:
Originally Posted by beans
MOMMA HELP ME!!!
everyone is nice sometimes, and really when bart/heaven was first learning he pmed me a decent amount asking for advise. I offered it i was nice, he seemed friendly i had no clue what kd he even played in because i didnt care. I even had ZERO idea bart/heaven were the same people untill AFTER we waved them for offering a fake war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Ed
As for the gangbang its really simple. We want an apology and to take something from his kd as "punishment". He could have eaten the damage from a few massacres and gotten a war from us which he might win and would of garenteed him the honor crown. He could of offered us even 5k honor, or something else as a token as a yea i shouldn't of lied, broke our word when we cf'ed intially. Instead he demanded 15k honor and when i got upset and asked another kd to deal the diplomacy with him he lowered the demand to 10k all the while threatening both kds to call in "his friends" in CR, BB. Ultimately every top kd looked at what happen sided with us (which only matters because he threaten to use them to help him) and still wont even apologize. I dont care if he single handled grew this game from 3k->30k people and is the nicest guy in the game, he deal broke us and has subsequently treated us like ****. How does that not deserve a gangbang?
It makes it all the harder because when i talk to him i get
[Thursday 19/11/2015][10:20] <Heaven> and please, can you for once not save your logs and throw everything on the utoforums?
[Thursday 19/11/2015][10:20] <Heaven> its starting t annoy me
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[Thursday 19/11/2015][10:37] <Heaven> u are free to post all of this on the utoforums
which one do should i listen too... how about
[Thursday 19/11/2015][10:45] <Heaven> ok my offer
[Thursday 19/11/2015][10:45] <Heaven> 1. We publicly apologize for dealbreaking
[Thursday 19/11/2015][10:45] <Heaven> 2. The top will in a joint effort formulate concrete RULES OF NEGOTIATIONs, including templates. which will be shared to all parties involved in this game
[Thursday 19/11/2015][10:46] <Heaven> which also means informing ghettos of these rules. And enforcement of these rules
You deal-break us, and now i have to get 10+ other kds to agree to something like that and then enforce it? thats not even addressing the fact that our relations 1v1 need to be solved. We aren't addressing world hunger here. When the conversation actually reaches a 'what were you thinking" i get
[Thursday 19/11/2015][11:17] <Heaven> a KD that has not been nice to me --> better make sure u cover every angle of an agreement and have it watertight, because if not I will come after you
[Thursday 19/11/2015][11:17] <Heaven> so yea, we would'v estuck to our terms
[Thursday 19/11/2015][11:18] <PersainCAT> so basically...
[Thursday 19/11/2015][11:18] <PersainCAT> if i dont like u or feel slighted by you in anyway, i will lie to u and try to convince u of something thats not true till im in a stronger position then i'll hurt them
[Thursday 19/11/2015][11:18] <Heaven> yes
His flat out PLAN is to lie and manipulate and dealbreak people and bash them down unless they instantly agree to war him in a way hes likely to win.
Look, while i have strong feelings about that stuff and it makes me want to closely monitor his kd so he cant do this to someone that isn't in a postion to fight back, all he has to/had to do to not get gang-banged was be reasonable, open, honest and willing to acccept punishment for making a mistake here. Future or past issues with his kd can come into play if something else arises in the future.
I will freely admit that sparta pulled a ****ty move. Bart even admits that, and I'd bet that he'd apologize for the ****ty move if he thought any one would care or listen.
We will never admit that it was a DB though. Bart, I, the rest of the KD, and many other KDs have had enough dealings with powerful KDs to see the double standard. When we clearly stated that our deal could be accepted no later then a certain date, and divinity accepted after that date because they were greedy and wanted to squeeze in extra hits... That throws the whole deal into question.
Having had to deal with some rather complicated contracts irl I can 100% guarantee that that kind of breach would not be ignored in a contract dispute. Does that make sparta right? No, but it does mean that we have good reason to see this as not a DB. There is examples irl and in uto that show that voiding a deal based for similar date or other technical issues does happen.
Was it a ****ty move? yes
Do I think that emerati had some justification to retal the ****ty move? yes
was it a DB? No
Maybe if we get like 10 more OOW waves then we will suddenly realize that despite divinity missing the deadline it was actually a DB? oh wait no, just realized that is stupid. Punish away but no amount of razes will get sparta to agree we did any thing more then a ****ty a move. Our requirements for the EOA CF we were forced to offer were clearly not met and we will never ever see divinity stalling for more hits and taking the CF a tick late as anything but a break in diplo.
No spartan has been in here crying about our punishment. Refusing to lay down and be silent while others flame us is not the same as crying. We did not bring this to the forums. We have only responded to what others brought to the forums. If our efforts to show our perspective offend you then feel free to discuss your hatred for sparta in a private IRC with your friends.
read the post above, if we give in to a ton of terms he'd admit to it. But then again im sure alot of kds will admit to something if they are given enough other stuffQuote:
Originally Posted by beans
How is divinity a top kd? From our prospective its mid tier versus mid tier. Yeah persain just had the sense to ask for help. Everyone keeps going on about all these kingdoms getting **** played every day. Really? We haven't gotten one message asking for help. Only divinity. And it was a clear deal break because divinity even stated in your diplo they had one azn that might hit on the 8th. They never agreed to all hits being finished on the 7th. Deal break is a deal break.
It's funny, I told u earlier how a kingdom lied and manipulated us into a war, killed 3 of my guys, taunted us with banners, insulted us and no one banded together to GB that kingdom. I mean you did say you look out for people that are not in a position to fight back, right? Where was your gangland justice then? Instead you are GB'ing someone that could have smashed us for backing out of a war but chose to help us instead, and you say you are GB'ing them because they will "bash down anyone unless they agree to war him in a way hes likely to win". The evidence shows you are wrong sir. Two people have come in here saying that Bart was fair and reasonable with us when he could have been a dick. 2 Kingdoms are smashing Spartans while they are in a war, and you want me to believe its because you are looking out for us mid-tier guys? You are making sure Spartans do not bully us? OMG, there goes my stomach again. hahaha
I leave it to someone less nub than me to verify the following. :p
Since game admins leaves it to the player to deal with these sort of matters, this is generally how justice is maintained:
- The dealbroken kd usually files a complaint to a larger kd and asks them for help. The supposed dealbreaking kd does the same, I guess.
- That larger kd contacts other (by the community) respected leaders, asking their opinion and stance in the matter.
- If no resolve is found and a majority of the community agreed that it is in fact a dealbreak, policing starts and ends when the dealbreaking kd agrees to the terms offered, or it keeps taking damage until there isn't much left to lose.
It's common that the policing kds razes whatever acres gained so as not to profit from the incident. They can be seen as an instrument of the community to make sure deals can be trusted and foul play not rewarded.
If you feel mistreated you can appeal in the forum, but whining and repeating old arguments won't help.
At least that's how I like to see it. As good as it gets. Sometimes its more complicated than in this case though :P