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War wins have never and will never matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Handsome one
How do you even begin to quantify the worth of a war win? Is a KD at 1 mill NW and 10 players getting a win vs. a similar sized KD with half it's activity worth the same as 2 top 10 KDs fighting it out with equal activity of 25 provs?
It's a chart that is insignificant and there just to give the masses who have no chance at ever charting for land/nw something "fun" to aim for, would actually rank Honour charts as almost being as worthless but atleast that requires some semblance of planning and ability vs. other honour charting KDs.
As for the war vs. Stoners, think I logged in around 8 times over the whole thing so can't really comment.
and yet Stoners not only got the WW but farmed you...Quote:
Originally Posted by silverfox
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make is.Quote:
Originally Posted by alan03
What relevance does ED vs. Stoners war have with the worth of War Wins or the WW chart?
That WW's matter; you get to farm ghettos, in-turn giving you land and honour. Also shows which KDs have the balls, will-power, and activity to jump into many wars over the course of 3 months. Wars are actually the ONLY thing that makes Utopia worthwhile, so, why would you not want a WW chart?
Cause the warwin chart as it is now is totally crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sig
Typical constructive post, keep up the good work.
agree with sig warring is what makes this game fun...to play for land/nw equals an entire age of dicing/exploring and making naps with other large kingdoms that is totally boring if you ask me...however the WW chart could be tweaked a bit i liked the idea that was mentioned somewhere about getting a bonus/penalty on your record that is determined by how well your opponents do throughout the age ie for every war your opponent wins gets you an extra 10% of a win and every loss they suffer gets you -10%
so if you war a kingdom that was exact same size and win...at end of age they are 4/5 war record then instead of counting as 1ww it would count as 1.3...or somthing like that
Growth kds make more attacks than you do. You'd know this if you tried it once and had some knowledge behind your claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utopiannoob1
The war win chart is garbage because it does nothing to measure how well a kd wars and doesn't account for the quality of the opponent. Beating some ghetto that's gone 0/5 in wars this age is worth the same as beating the ghetto cats. That's idiotic.
No they dont. You would know if you had ever topped the chartsQuote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Your argument stems from emotion rather than rational thinking, likely because you see it as an attack against your own KDs worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sig
Nothing which you mentioned has a single plus point towards a war win chart being anything other than garbage. Again I'll ask you, how do you quantify what a war win is other than a simple number on a KD page?
Are you seriously telling me that every war win is of equal value, so some KD with 20 active players destroying a KD with 10 active players should hold the same worth as a KD's win where it was 25 vs. 25? Simple common sense should allow you to come to the conclusion that war wins mean sweet FA as they are in no way comparable to each other while other rankings can be, an acre is always an acre and NW points are always NW points.
Wars might be the only thing worthwhile in utopia, that's an opinion however which has no relevance to war wins.
You seriously think the top NW KD with 0-3 wars per age makes more attacks than a KD who wars 9+ times? + all the waves in between looking for someone to press the button?Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Silverfox, it is my opinion, thank you for restating it for me. I was never arguing about the quality of a war win, just stated the mere fact that warring more often, per age, is also challenging and adds value and diversity to Utopia.
EDIT: Since you read my retort and had nothing else to say I thought I would expand a bit, just for you, since you seem to care oh so much about my opinion. Some KDs aim for NW, we however aim for wars. We ask any kingdom in range if they want to war. Why should we care if the almighty Utopian Gods deem them as a scrub ghetto? A war is a war and we are glad to have fun and fight. It seems funny how you keep bringing up a "war's worth" and how a mere number on the WW chart does not represent anything of substance. Maybe your previous statement applies more to yourself than me. "likely because you see it as an attack against your own KDs worth." We do not care who we war, we play this game to WAR, as much as possible, rather than pumping our e-peens and creating threads here, about our KDs sense of worth and past accomplishments. Our goal is to accumulate as many wars and hopefully wins per age, as possible. We find this to be the most enjoyable way to play Utopia. Finally, the fact that you, yourself, created this disgustingly long, unnecessary thread in an attempt to boost your KDs (already massive for unknown reasons) sense of self-worth, while simultaneous knocking ours, further points out the fact that you seem to have some self-esteem issues.
Thanks for your time, quote me further if you please, I care about you too.
I like wars too, but not to the point of as many as possible and no matter who we war. Challenging and fun wars are always good but I don't see the point of ghetto bashing just to get more wars. And no, I'm not one of those that think that fun wars can only be found at the top. You can always war a bigger kd for a more challenging war no matter what size you are and there are some good kd in the middle range as well. I noticed debauchery's latest war is 25v21 and 7/7 vs 0/2. I don't see the fun in that seriously. With the number and honor advantage, there's not much strategy needed and not much fun at all.
You stated that "war wins matter" and then went on to try and justify that position with reasoning which does nothing to support the concept that war wins matter. I had nothing to say as arguing with people over their opinions is always a fruitless task; you're taking a defensive position as an attack against you and your KD, seem incapable of using logical though processes and ultimately will never change your view through either being stubborn or your inability to grasp what I'm actually arguing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sig
You shouldn't care what people think of the KDs you war, you should however be intelligent enough to know that there is a huge difference in getting a war win (speaking as if it were hypothetically possible) the "best" warring KD in the game and the "worst" warring KD in the game. While the reality is that the war win chart does nothing to differentiate this, ergo as a tool to compare the waring worth of KD's it is garbage and be extension war wins themselves are also useless.
The rest of your post is just a tirade of dribble, butt-hurt and crass hypocrisy bordering on the idiotic. If you'd like to actually construct a post which gives reasonable cause for people to think war wins mean anything then feel free to do so, if you're just going to post about how you enjoy waring then save yourself the time typing; as I think by now people get that point, aren't disputing that point and in general don't need the irrelevant comments.
We have beaten numerous ghettos since we formed as well, if you have been keeping tabs. You've missed my point, though. We ask ANYONE in range. If they are 25, or 20, we send a PM asking terms, regardless. If they accept, then its war..and war is fun. We never claimed to be the top warring KD, we understand how the war-rankings work..and we play to win the crown.
And Silverfox, thanks for the advice, I will save myself some typing now.. as I have said all that needs to be said already. Looking forward to round 3 next age! Cheers!
Palem you know little about me to make such assumptions...I actually spent about 4 ages of my 30 or so in the game playing for kingdom attemptiing to maintain top nw/land and as we did attack orders were to basically only attack ghettos who can't retal anyone in kingdom got so bored left the game for a bit...and we warred like maybe 3 times an age if lucky..and had hostililities that lasted upto a week....I'm sure some like to play that way but I myself didn't
also in many of the kingdoms I've known who play at top land\nw provs are micromanaged so much its basically the same as a few members running all provs not a whole lot of fun but maybe worth it to some so at end of age they can be like wow look at us were huge...
So to say that land/nw only thing that matters is obsurd because not everyone wants to play that way and their are many great players who don't want to focus on getting huge
War wins do not matter yet you get FARMED Land/nw-wise by Stoners. How is that accomplishing any other goals....Quote:
Originally Posted by silverfox
What does crowning have to do with knowing that growth kds are more active?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamersen11
But that aside, let me rephrase. They SHOULD pump out more attacks than war kds, depending on how screwed up the explore formula happens to be that age.
Warring 9+ times is hardly standard for a "warring kd". The top war chart finish was 7.93, which will be topped by you guys. A good war kd can get it say 5-6 wars an age on average. For most kds that's the only time their activity is really on high gear. For a growth kd who is trying to crown their activity should be on high gear for the entire age and that includes making hits. They wouldn't even need to be army in-out the whole age to send out more attacks, just consistently active and attacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sig
So what you're saying you tried to whore, failed, then quit. You ever think maybe pumping more attacks and gaining more acres would be a good way of growing faster than the other kds if they aren't attacking as much? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Utopiannoob1
I didn't say land/nw is the only thing that matters. I explained why the war win chart isn't useful.Quote:
So to say that land/nw only thing that matters is obsurd because not everyone wants to play that way and their are many great players who don't want to focus on getting huge
What I WILL say is that land/nw is the only current tool available that can reliably display skill for those who are attempting get to #1 in those charts, something you can't say the same about with the war win chart.
Is Debauchery a better war kd than BoB because they're higher on the war win chart? No. (I'm not BoB is the better war kd, I'm just saying that Debauchary>BoB isn't a reasonable conclusion from the chart)
Is HoH having a better whoring age than Rage? Yes.
See the difference? There are good ways to measure how well a kd can war, and the war win chart doesn't represent it.
There are lots of ways to measure how well a kingdom can war, but sometimes it takes someone who's knowledgeable to be able to see it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by flutterby
ED should go back to there super kingdom in farm ville.
Seriously? That's the best you've got? Farmville? Go home little boy... let the big people do that talking here. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by AlienLimb
if you want the war win crown to mean something then the following age whoever tops the war win chart should vs the top of land/nw chart. and go down the list from both charts and if any of the people get a war win vs a kingdom from the top 10 they become the champions of war from the previous age, since i doubt more then 1 ww kingdom would beat a land/nw kingdom. and since spgc are on both list in the top 10 they can have a bye and face any winner for ultimate champion of war.
They would just pick beastblood again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brilliant
It's not accomplishing any other goals of gaining land/nw/honour, the downfall in your post is that you don't seem to be intelligent enough to grasp a very simple concept that one random war has zero correlation with how you can compare individual war wins which KDs have.Quote:
Originally Posted by alan03
Here I'll give you an example, Debaucherys win vs. ED should be worth a lot more than Stoners win vs. ED. Why? Because I think half our KD logged in once a day vs. Stoners, I barely used IRC and our activity due to RL matters was in general none existent, while vs. Debauchery we were playing with pretty much all of our KD either being sat or on high activity. Yet both KDs gained one war win.
If you can't understand that then it's your loss.
we have been really lucky that not a single KD has meant to war us the last 4 ages. It confuses me that they always seem to wave in to us even when we have hostilities with other KD's. But once everything is said and done "we never meant to war" and "none of our provinces were able to log in" all seem to have been part of the plan. I guess i'm just not much of a strategy guy. Maybe sometime soon we will get to war someone who actually is looking for war.
What's the point of this post? Since it's in the ED thread I'm going to guess it's aimed at us, however I'm kinda unsure as to who has said ED didn't mean to war Stoners? Maybe I missed something from the war forums as I've not been in there all war, or maybe you're just making random crap up and having a ramble.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishHangover
Actually debated putting my comment about comparing Debauchery and Stoners wars for ED as I was pretty sure someone from Stoners would get butthurt because I said we were better in a totally unrelated war, simple fact is we were.
If you want to take comments about our KDs relative activity as having anything to do with you to the point that you need to post about it then unlucky. but the world doesn't revolve around you and facts don't change just because your internet ego see's it as somehow randomly insulting you.
We warred you, you won, end.
Another thing that surprise me is how does those kingdoms that win so many wars constantly be able to stay so small.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishHangover
Because winning wars isn't always about a net gain in land..
You are doomed to get some land either way, even if you dont break even the acrre spread in your kingdom will be messed up.
Stoner is just unhappy that they didn't get as much credit from ED for defeating ED compared to Dechauery. ED discredited stoner by saying that their kingdom activity is only half of what should be expected. Best solution: Stoner vs Dechauery
He reacted in that way cause you indirectly attributed their WW to your poor activity and performance rather than just admitting they were better, shaking hand and moving on.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverfox
It may or may not be truth, and if its truth its hard to say which one is cause and which one is consequence, either way bad sportmanship on your part.
I completely agree on the WW crown topic btw, i wouldnt mind seeing it removed from the game. Ever since KD pages started displaying war record its been causing nothing but problems.
Chose honor for war win bonus instead of acre? Anyway, for my kingdom with 5 ww, we are at 58k acres. Didn't landdrop and we even explore during cf to keep up with unchain tm and attackers. Who are you referring to in particular?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
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Originally Posted by citadela01
How exactly would you suggest I phrased the fact we were semi-active vs. Stoners, so as to keep them all happy? Should I just lie and say I spent 10 hours a day infront of my PC like the rest of the KD and we got outplayed by a far superior KD?
If you re-read my post you'd see that I never once gave any excuses as to why we lost vs. Stoners, they could be the best KD in the game and it would be irrelevant as I only commented on our individual activity not their skill.
All that's happened is you've read a piece of information about our activity and decided to interpret it as slagging Stoners off, when if anything it's slagging off ED.
Stoners have an open war invitation from us. They can war us any time they likeQuote:
Originally Posted by Feint
That would be epic. Heard that stoner got ex stripper players too.Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
cool..can they post news update here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feint
i want to follow!
something to look for in the future, though i think our next dance may already be spoken for.Quote:
Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
i think we parted ways on a pretty friendly and decent note, or am i wrong? your kd setup didnt benefit from the activity you guys were pulling off during the war with us, as you pointed out aswell. and altough we didnt like the fact that you waved us while we were going to war with FS, we could see your perspective even if we didnt agree with it. there is no need for bad blood, i personally am looking forward to warring you again next age maybe. but i expect you to bring your A game then ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by silverfox
regarding the strippers invitation: that sounds interresting :D. cant wait to discuss things over with kd :D