BIO vs ghettocats

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Originally Posted by baka

Relax and enjoy yourself Snega! Thought this is what you wanted?

Stop your whinery and take what's coming!

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Whats coming another WW thanks to INSO being specialy abled?

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Originally Posted by Snega

* SPGC waves Inso, who has armies out.

* BiO gives Inso money to a dragon.

* Inso declares war with SPGC and looses.

* OS waves SPGC

* SPGC has to hit back to make OS smaller to even be able to press the button

* OS looses the war, even when BiO steps in and tries to lead them.

* BiO Waves SPGC right oow, because SPGC has stolen money of them (even thou BiO earlier this age bragged about that they stolen more gc from SPGC then SPGC stolen from them)

* Inso sends dragon and waves SPGC , while SPGC is in hostile with BiO

It's a lot of work behind trying to teach SPGC a lesson. Who knows, maybe this last try with a GB will give Inso a WW from us. But the lesion I learned is that robbing a bigger KD gives you action and that?s what a warring KD likes. Meanwhile I cant see the benefit for the ?enemies?. BiO, OS and Inso has lost more than we have done in these exchanges, maybe Inso will get a WW in the end, but that's all =)

Most surprised am I about how BiO, Inso and Simians try to justify all this. OS seams nice, so they I have nothing against. I would have respect them more if they just said that a warring KD in the top interferes to much in their game plans that they have to get rid of that factor. Now they in a weird way tries to make it look like we deserves it, because we are mean. But we are not :(

However I enjoy every minute. Love dancing with these guys :)

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I mentioned this back on page 7, but there's absolutely nothing against fighting multiple kingdoms at once. Early on in the game, when I first started, there was no button, and two kingdoms could up and declare on one at the same time at any moment.

The reason its not done now is because its deemed that its not fun for the kingdom getting hit 2 on 1.

Likewise, rarely do kingdoms rob other kingdoms for 2 months straight and never ceasefire. The reason? It's not fun for the kingdoms being robbed and generally frowned upon. Usually kingdoms would rob for a day or two, then say "enough is enough" and ceasefire. Last age ghettocats seemed to enjoy not recognizing when enough was enough.

I see no problem responding to someone abusing the KDNW mechanics via a 2 on 1.

The devs could easily solve this problem by making ops cause hostilities and allowing kingdoms to ceasefire in hostiles if it gets to the "throttling" point. But instead of making this suggestion which was made, they turned it around the other way and made the declare range even tighter and gave the smaller kingdoms even more of an advantage.

The devs aren't policing the abuse, in fact they're making it worse, so its up to the players to police the abuse, as it often is.

Why there's this great need to protect smaller kingdoms and in fact make them stronger when everyone starts at the same size and resources is a completely foreign concept to me. To the winner goes the spoils, everywhere but utopia I suppose.

It seems smaller kingdoms don't like that larger kingdoms stock resources and make science. Why? I have no earthly idea. Under the new rules you rarely even see larger kingdoms bottomfeeding smaller kingdoms anymore, so why should it concern anyone if Rage and BIO and Simians are all stocking resources to fight one another.

The main culprit is the broken science system, which requires a province to get good sciences to run almost no troops. To then be ready to fight another kingdom a very very large amount of gold needs to be stocked to go from being as fat as you need to be to make science to as pumped as you need to be to fight.

When kingdoms rob this gold, and do it time and time again as top kingdoms give eachother notice, it completely ruins the top kingdoms fun that they have fighting eachother. Last age, not only were we robbed right as we were about to fight on numerous occassions, the robbing was not even done on the provinces with the most gold or with the least TPA. The robbings were all concentrated on one province, which hurts significantly more than spreading the robbings around to the entire kingdom. The only reason to rob one province completely is to damage the person you're robbing, not to benefit yourself. The goal is clearly to ruin the other players/kingdoms fun.

If the #1 and #2 kingdoms have given eachother notice and are preparing to fight eachother in a day, and you're a kingdom 1/4th of the size and you're using all of your stealth to rob them right before this fight begins, you're interfering in their conflict. I don't care if its called a hostile yet, a war yet, you're clearly and directly interfering in their conflict.
After being damaged like this before 3 or 4 fights, and the devs not doing anything to curb against it, the only available options are

1) Just eat it and have your fun ruined
2) Do whatever you can to ruin their fun to stop the behavior.

As Elhurin points out, KDNW and a 75% NW cap for war declaration mades it impossible to do #2 by fighting 1 on 1, so the only option is to bring back the old school rules of "if you annoy someone enough, you get hit by alot of people."

You can have plenty of silly pink fun ghetto wars without ruining the fun of the 200 people who play in top kingdoms.

must be fun reflecting meteors and land lust on yourself

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Originally Posted by flogger

I mentioned this back on page 7, but there's absolutely nothing against fighting multiple kingdoms at once. Early on in the game, when I first started, there was no button, and two kingdoms could up and declare on one at the same time at any moment.

The reason its not done now is because its deemed that its not fun for the kingdom getting hit 2 on 1.

Likewise, rarely do kingdoms rob other kingdoms for 2 months straight and never ceasefire. The reason? It's not fun for the kingdoms being robbed and generally frowned upon. Usually kingdoms would rob for a day or two, then say "enough is enough" and ceasefire. Last age ghettocats seemed to enjoy not recognizing when enough was enough.

I see no problem responding to someone abusing the KDNW mechanics via a 2 on 1.

The devs could easily solve this problem by making ops cause hostilities and allowing kingdoms to ceasefire in hostiles if it gets to the "throttling" point. But instead of making this suggestion which was made, they turned it around the other way and made the declare range even tighter and gave the smaller kingdoms even more of an advantage.

The devs aren't policing the abuse, in fact they're making it worse, so its up to the players to police the abuse, as it often is.

Why there's this great need to protect smaller kingdoms and in fact make them stronger when everyone starts at the same size and resources is a completely foreign concept to me. To the winner goes the spoils, everywhere but utopia I suppose.

It seems smaller kingdoms don't like that larger kingdoms stock resources and make science. Why? I have no earthly idea. Under the new rules you rarely even see larger kingdoms bottomfeeding smaller kingdoms anymore, so why should it concern anyone if Rage and BIO and Simians are all stocking resources to fight one another.

The main culprit is the broken science system, which requires a province to get good sciences to run almost no troops. To then be ready to fight another kingdom a very very large amount of gold needs to be stocked to go from being as fat as you need to be to make science to as pumped as you need to be to fight.

When kingdoms rob this gold, and do it time and time again as top kingdoms give eachother notice, it completely ruins the top kingdoms fun that they have fighting eachother. Last age, not only were we robbed right as we were about to fight on numerous occassions, the robbing was not even done on the provinces with the most gold or with the least TPA. The robbings were all concentrated on one province, which hurts significantly more than spreading the robbings around to the entire kingdom. The only reason to rob one province completely is to damage the person you're robbing, not to benefit yourself. The goal is clearly to ruin the other players/kingdoms fun.

After being damaged like this before 3 or 4 fights, and the devs not doing anything to curb against it, the only available options are

1) Just eat it and have your fun ruined
2) Do whatever you can to ruin their fun to stop the behavior.

As Elhurin points out, KDNW and a 75% NW cap for war declaration mades it impossible to do #2 by fighting 1 on 1, so the only option is to bring back the old school rules of "if you annoy someone enough, you get hit by alot of people."

You can have plenty of silly pink fun ghetto wars without ruining the fun of the 200 people who play in top kingdoms.

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Very good post. Provinces/Kds should fight to his range. If a lot smaller kd think he can rob big kd for free because cant be declared there is other ways to pay back and you are doing it well.

Feeding us Acres and Science was effective? If that's what you mean BIO was very pro.

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Originally Posted by Mephyistoo

Feeding us Acres and Science was effective? If that's what you mean BIO was very pro.

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What good are acres or sciences if you can't keep either of them? In our last war our open war wave had 90+ uniques. That was on provinces with 50 DPA to start and 3 raw WPA and +90% science. Its not hard to do 100 uniques per war wave and make 20 of them learns on provinces with 20 DPA to start and .7 raw WPA with 30% science. We'd do something like 100 uniques per war wave sending out something like 10-15k offense per hit and remaining largely turtled. That's why killing wizards is the focus and nothing else really matters.

By the end of the war we'd have all the acres, all the science and all the honor, since you'd be reduced to 1x'ing with anon since we're largely turtled.

HoH gained significantly on us in hostile as well since we couldn't utilize nightmare. Things turned around significantly once nightmare was used.

If you do well vs insolence since we have a button I'd be more than happy to show you ;p

so much whinery from cats... :(

Your thinking too much of yourselves if you think AW'n acouple of our UD's is enough to cripple our KD. rofl

lol I wish you could read our IRC. BIO started this whine thread not us, and we are happy INSO waved us and INSO waving us was expected since you first started the Hits. The TOP whining about us is 90% of the posts in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Mephyistoo

Your thinking too much of yourselves if you think AW'n acouple of our UD's is enough to cripple our KD. rofl

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We AW'd the larger undeads you had. The smaller undeads you had grew, resulting in your entire kingdom having terrible WPA. If you don't know how 100 nightmares with 90% success rate affect a province that starts on 80k defense looks then I'd suggest doing some math. Or just ask HoH for a copy of their provinces news once war hit.

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Originally Posted by Mephyistoo

lol I wish you could read our IRC. BIO started this whine thread not us, and we are happy INSO waved us and INSO waving us was expected since you first started the Hits. The TOP whining about us is 90% of the posts in this thread.

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Enough with the whinery!!!

HAVE FUN TIME!

flogger seems to be talking more than anything else, less talk more action.

Plus you should easily beat inso since they did you the favor of waving you with armies out, which apparantly is a great advantage.

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Originally Posted by Korp

flogger seems to be talking more than anything else, less talk more action.

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I hear there is action but none post details. Inso waved cats not just dragon. I'm wonder if they waved cats with army out....and if they did this "mistake" how cats plan to use his advantage now. Wont be bad if they post his deep analyze so we can learn from it too.

these kind of threads is getting old and lame, boohoo we got robbed, boohoo we got bottomfeed on, boohoo we get topfeedining on, boohoo we getting eoa oped by tfc.

just stfu or quit already.