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Yes, you can claim hostile with a kingdom 50% your size that's in another war. However, if the kingdom that noticed you refuses to recognize it as a hostile and still waves, you have to spite that kingdom by farming out to the kingdom that waved you while weakening the opposition that kingdom has left.
I really think abs rules made more sense than these ama rules.
PYRO will WIN! sorry BB losers!
MaRCo, Kaertoplay wants to talk to you....Quote:
Originally Posted by MaRCoRoXoR
growing 30k acres without using pool in 10 days is as close to farming as anything that can be done out of war :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Meep
Summary!
Pyro eating ruby, and BB eating sapphire after Pyro swapped out gold drake 26h ago.
Next drake both sapphires at each other.
** Kingdom news report **
For the time from March 24 of YR9 till May 2 of YR9 - 27 hours
** Summary **
Total attacks made: 7 (4,212 acres)
-- Traditional march: 3 (2,300 acres)
-- Ambush: 1 (756 acres)
-- Conquest: 1 (1,156 acres)
-- Failed: 2 (28.6% failure)
-- Uniques: 3
Total attacks suffered: 3 (4,144 acres)
-- Traditional march: 3 (4,144 acres)
-- Uniques: 1
** The kingdom of PyroManiaCs **
Total land exchanged: +68 (7/3)
+2,125 An unknown province (3/0)
+615 Colt 45 (1/0)
+316 Dogfish 120 (1/0)
- Schmaltz Albino Python (1/0)
-224 Sink the Bismark (1/1)
-1,251 Canadian (0/1)
-1,513 Aphrodisiac (0/1)
** The kingdom of BB **
Total land exchanged: -68 (3/7)
+2,631 An unknown province (2/0)
+757 What you got (1/2)
-316 Better go to fort (0/1)
-615 What you want (0/2)
-1,156 go to alert (0/1)
-1,369 What it is (0/1)
Oooooooooh a nice 1k conquest on a BB bank :)
But they answer right back with a hard break on Pyro Banks...the suspense must be too much to bear!!
Actually, Pyro hit a faery before daychange while we made a bankhit.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJuan
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April 24 of YR9 Schmaltz Albino Python (##:##) attempted to invade What you want (##:##).
April 24 of YR9 Colt 45 (##:##) invaded What you want (##:##) and captured 615 acres of land.
April 24 of YR9 What you got (##:##) captured 1,513 acres of land from Aphrodisiac (##:##).
May 1 of YR9 An unknown province from Judgement Day (##:##) ambushed armies from What you got (##:##) and took 756 acres of land.
May 1 of YR9 An unknown province from Cage has Beastblood (##:##) captured 1,380 acres of land from Sink the Bismark (##:##).
May 1 of YR9 An unknown province from Cage has Beastblood (##:##) captured 1,251 acres of land from Canadian (##:##).
May 1 of YR9 An unknown province from Judgement Day (##:##) invaded What it is (##:##) and captured 1,369 acres of land.
May 2 of YR9 An unknown province from Judgement Day (##:##) attempted to invade What you got (##:##).
May 2 of YR9 Sink the Bismark (##:##) invaded go to alert (##:##) and captured 1,156 acres of land.
Ahh I see it was more like a opening jab by Pyro followed by a straight cross to the face by BB :P
Interesting top conflict...a few bounces from Pyro makes me wonder if those will cost them in the long run unless they were intentional.
I'm sure some of those banks wish they had WS :P
We were testing for Fog.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJuan
I presume it has not been reimplemented? ;)
I think the bounces were all intentional to remove anonQuote:
Originally Posted by DonJuan
so sloooow dis thread! it will never lead to warar with so little posting. i mean, page 4? O.o
They removed anon and removed AD (tbh, AD being removed by a 1soldier bounce killing 0 troops shouldn't be possible, it's just lame)Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJuan
Smart stuff...so basically its still the first to blink is the first to fall...cant wait till it all goes down!!
Where would the distinction be? Couldn't they just do 2 soldiers, or 1 spec etc. Seems like smart play for removing AD.
Smart or not, I just don't think the game intends to make AD get removed by a 1 soldier/spec/elite fail hit ;p
Maybe AD should just be active until x troops are revived as soldiers where x is say 2% of total population?
Anyway, we sent our sapphire earlier so no longer have a one way saph!
Yea, I agree that it'd probably not the way the developers wanted the mechanic to work. However this age that is how it works :P
Equal saph = fun times with fools gold until all stocks are depleted. Then war begins! :D
You assume ops...there's still only 4 points on the meter.Quote:
Originally Posted by jwuzi
can we get some strat talk? So that I can be the next one to steal flogger's tricks
i assume the ruby is in tandem with higher than usual forts on BB cows?
No, ruby is gone now and reason (i assume) was that they were still holding 30% homes on all provinces.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetley
Further strategy can be summed up by: starvation
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this **** is so boring, srsly -- can you please both just agree on a war date or smt cos this is becoming ridiculous ...
If you people are bored you can just not follow the conflict or check back in 2 days orso! :P
It seems BB doesn't want to war. Cutest thing is that it's being called a hostile and such, but the meter hasn't even gone above 4 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by munk
Whats gonna be different in two days!? :P Rather than just giving ops and FG'ing / robbing gc you instead it has to go to wages :PQuote:
Originally Posted by protector
We both know what will happen upon giving a button right now :) Thats why neither has done it sofar.Quote:
Originally Posted by faegan
You know better than that ;pQuote:
Originally Posted by munk
I'm happy with this pace. It's like watching strategy in slow motion. I can see how this methodical progression may expose enemy weaknesses that'd be ignored otherwise.
~ Brubaker slow clap ~
I don't understand why BB isn't in more of a hurry to farm out Pyro!Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
This is going slower than slow mo
Also, this way I can slack and be lazy before some action could happen. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by StratOcastle
I honestly don't know what will happen. Or wait, maybe after thinking hard for another 5 minutes, I think I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
I think what's gonna happen is if you give a button, we have a war.
If I give a button, I farmout. Now which sounds more reasonable and logical to proceed?
At what point should this be no longer considered hostile?
It's been over 36 hours of non-hits. That's 3 times the benchmark you claim that voids a hostile, I quote you. So can I issue my own notice to another kd and prepare for them now since the most aggressive thing BB is interested to do to us for the last 36 hours was to try and use their superior TPA and thievery sci and catch some of my dwarves starving. What is this indefinite dibs thing? Different situation and new rule this time round?Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
I cant recall the last time the aggressive KD served the notice, and yet after 114 hours of notice expiry not having given 1 second of UF to the defending KD, much less a button. And I'm not even in fort anymore. I've been out and waiting to play for almost 60 hours now.
You're wasting 48 other people's time and spoiling their gameplay experience for at least 25 of them, if not more. Pure joke, if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by Darkie89
How wars go in top?
the modern way - you stock gold for 3 weeks, get pumped to no peasants, give notice, sit in fort 2 days after notice expires, sit further and pay the army to for nothing ... lose couple mil gold per tick on all kd, wait for all gold to go away ... after 2 weeks war starts and lasts 48 hours, the winner is 20% bigger, the loser is 10% smaller, both kds have 15k land in explore pool. What both kds lost? both lost land, land they could have taken elsewhere.
the old school way, notice someone, in 48 hours you wave the **** out of them, they declare, you war for 48 hours and gain 20% land, the enemy loses 10% land, Both kds have 10k explore pool to play with.
Wich one is the better? Guess the old school one, even the loser gains:D
http://i740.photobucket.com/albums/x...uyclapping.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by coss
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Originally Posted by 13nesta13
I disagree that because you 'noticed' you have to give meter points. The 'old' idea is that if you notice it's because you're gonna fight, eg not 'just' to force the other KD to train up while you then do something else (eg stalling). That isn't what is happening here. If BB were allied to another kingdom that was benefiting from this stare contest, then you might have a valid point. To the contrary -- BB aren't benefiting from the fight being dragged out.
While I appreciate that you 'want' relations I think everyone involved can accept that this is an active hostile with some staring involved due to strategical reasons. It is a shame that mechanics and the two kingdoms' setup involved lead to this strategy but sadly that's where you are. Either you play the full staring contest till one side is out of GC or you try and make an agreement to both give UF or something. Short of that -- continue this epic, but long, fight.
You cannot 'force' BB to not play their best -- especially when they aren't being dirty about anything nor abusing some obscure mechanism. They're playing the game much like any one else would -- maybe a bit better even because they have the patience needed.
I'm not forcing BB to not play their best. Please don't get me wrong. I want them to play their best, within the reasonable boundaries set up by the etiquette code of the top KDs. It seems unreasonable to claim dibs on us indefinitely right?Quote:
Originally Posted by munk
You didn't answer my question. I asked at what point does this not constitute an active hostile then? Another 24 hours of staring? or 48, or 100?
You said this was an active hostile with some staring involved. I was in agreement with this statement for the last 110 hours up till now. At a certain point this has to be too much, no?
lemme guess, your gc stocks will deplete before them & that point is not far after that 110 hours :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 13nesta13
You, like munk, are not answering my question either. I asked how long should this non-exchange of hits equate to a non-hostile situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN
From your reply, I seem to understand it can be deemed hostile for as long as one party likes to call it? Is your logic being, say my gc stock will deplete in X hours time, then BB reserves the right to take X hours as a benchmark to how long this staring contest should be? Isn't this calling "dibs" then?
Simple List - gc - Kingdom: x:x [ 25 of 25 provs have data ] - Descending - Total: 280.62m ( 11.225m Avg )
Simple List - gc - Kingdom: x:x [ 25 of 25 provs have data ] - Descending - Total: 308.32m ( 12.333m Avg )
Both sides actually have similar gc and their stock is probably less current(ie lower than what's stated above) since they're on aggressive and we have to refresh full SOT run to get an updated one. Sure, there are some strategic placement issues of the gc stock, but that hardly seems reason enough to wait out another 100 hours. For example, their 5 banks are more evenly spread with gc, whereas we are more gc heavy on 2 banks and lighter on 2.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps79dd5c60.jpg
I guess if you notice another kd, you will run the gauntlet of being in two hostiles?
I dunno, it does suck waiting though I imagine
I was posting a hypothetical situation. I'm still here and fighting/waiting. I quoted what BB thinks is and isn't a hostile, and at what point should it cease to count as a hostile.Quote:
Originally Posted by DM_Benjamin
What about someone sees news now then and notice me? Is it any different? If someone snatches my news now, they'll see previous hits were on 1st May ie, 40 hours ago. 2 hits and nothing else. If they take it in another 8 hours time (assuming nothing changes in this 8 hours), then they see a clean slate of paper with only aid shipments exchanged. Can they send me a notice then?
I'd say the hostile lasts as long as you guys haven't CF'ed. "topkds" can't make black on white rules and agreements what constitutes active hostiles or not -- it's always going to get abused then -- so rather ask yourself -- does this seem like a hostile and if your gut tells you yes, then it probably is. If this lasts 100hrs more without any form of diplo agreement and no other kds hitting in -- then yes, I'd still call it a hostile.
What's more interesting to discuss is how to try and make "deals" in the future where kingdoms somehow agree to give eachother relations somehow -- I'd prefer a mechanics change, but it should would help. I remember some deals that stated that neither kingdom could be fort and stuff. Shrug -- Let's just hope Bishop fixes relations ;)