CR vs AMA

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Originally Posted by Binar

and it still is the clearest FW ive seen.
havoc isnt even touching AMA banks

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Everything is clear now.

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Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter

Do you know how we can recognize it is being jelly not being defenders of ethics? As i said i fully accept being gbed. But that will not be the end. Next age AMA will again pwn them all in war and they will all come crying out "gb" :).

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Nah. All AMA had to do to avoid being GB'd was have Elit post that this was a private cleaning of the slate with Havoc from the 2v1 a few ages ago, and say that he was going to intra-raze all gained acres after it was done. Then nobody has any reason to go after him. Cleaning all the slates needs to happen. But Elit instead said he wanted to steal the age by dealbreak and swore that anyone who joined GB on him will be interfered with by him forever going forward. So, forever going forward all of us have to now find and squash AMA over and over each age until Elit forswears his vengeance and cleans the slate with everyone.

He brought this on himself. He had a clear option to avoid it and chose not to so that he could cry and play the victim. No tears for elit. It's like Bishop said. We police ourselves. AMA went too far and Elit admitted it was to try and steal age. 'Nuff said.

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Originally Posted by Binar

and it still is the clearest FW ive seen.
havoc isnt even touching AMA banks

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You see the rest of the top fighting this server war?

There can be only one outcome.

#CrownforBinBin

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Originally Posted by Drug

This **** should be solved via diplomacy, not via gb, told it long ago in this thread, too pity Elit is not interested much.

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??? Did you miss out on the last 30 pages of yelling and screaming? There is no way this conflict could have been solved through diplo. ... sadly!

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Originally Posted by faegan

In all honesty, neither PyroManiaCs nor AMA had any chance to crown. I fail to see why you should hold a grudge against PyroManiaCs because of them #utopolice-ing your dealbreak. Seriously, cJ trusted you to intra raze at first and so did NesTa. Only until you yourself wrote a post saying that you'll be keeping the acres did the opinion change.

You (AMA) not only dealbroke, but then also lied about intentions (Cello & Proteus).

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I think same. Both Pyro and AMA had no real chances for win vs Havoc after Simians donate 17k for free, but i was perfect fine with Havoc win age. How i told we had very good relation with zauper and all what i wanted is to get at lest 1 fair war this age with Pyro and prepare proper for ir. Its why we discused extend cf. Problem is he have ppl in his kd not enough confident in his win and decide to take over Zauper and push us in corner with lame demands and its after Havoc keep us believe we will get deal for few days. Its combined with forum disb and Pyro refuse to promise us help if we get 2vs1 totaly killed our chances for any proper play so we did what left. Now with this gb we have reason to do any in future to rage/pyro/simians.
Well simians dont need our help to end farmed :D

Drixx, from all leaders in past and present you have best ratio: arrange GBs per age. Congrats for it.

In short, Havoc and Pyro arranged war to decide winner of the age later. Since Havoc was too small and in hostile with AMA, it was decided to GB AMA, so AMA won't ruin Havoc/Pyro arranged war.

At least, that's the way ic it as of now.

I'd love seeing some formatted news and other info about the war instead of all this QQ.

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Originally Posted by Drixx

Nah. All AMA had to do to avoid being GB'd was have Elit post that this was a private cleaning of the slate with Havoc from the 2v1 a few ages ago, and say that he was going to intra-raze all gained acres after it was done. Then nobody has any reason to go after him. Cleaning all the slates needs to happen. But Elit instead said he wanted to steal the age by dealbreak and swore that anyone who joined GB on him will be interfered with by him forever going forward. So, forever going forward all of us have to now find and squash AMA over and over each age until Elit forswears his vengeance and cleans the slate with everyone.

He brought this on himself. He had a clear option to avoid it and chose not to so that he could cry and play the victim. No tears for elit. It's like Bishop said. We police ourselves. AMA went too far and Elit admitted it was to try and steal age. 'Nuff said.

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Drixx you are such a n00b, boo hoo your ghetto cant beat ama 1v1 so you need to find friends to help you every age...you sound like a coward, abs kds run by real leaders would win fights 1v1 (with exception of havoc) or would atleast go down fighting. But i guess when you get farmed as badly as you did vulturing ama after pumping all age and making cows i guess you have a right to be scared and get a few people to hold your hand. But then again thats why you were never trusted with leading a good kd and only got to lead something after everyone had already quit.

If you're one of the 3 Stooges, be Moe.

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Originally Posted by Elit

I think same. Both Pyro and AMA had no real chances for win vs Havoc after Simians donate 17k for free, but i was perfect fine with Havoc win age. How i told we had very good relation with zauper and all what i wanted is to get at lest 1 fair war this age with Pyro and prepare proper for ir. Its why we discused extend cf. Problem is he have ppl in his kd not enough confident in his win and decide to take over Zauper and push us in corner with lame demands and its after Havoc keep us believe we will get deal for few days. Its combined with forum disb and Pyro refuse to promise us help if we get 2vs1 totaly killed our chances for any proper play so we did what left. Now with this gb we have reason to do any in future to rage/pyro/simians.
Well simians dont need our help to end farmed :D

Drixx, from all leaders in past and present you have best ratio: arrange GBs per age. Congrats for it.

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If this was true you could have asked Havoc to back off and tell them you'd give them 15-20k acres after your war with Pyro so you can 3/3 the alliance (Like simians agreed to do with Havoc... to have a legit equal war, give acres afterwards and not before). Havoc did "tax" simians but it was what they would have gained pre-war via a wave which would of meant simians warred Pyro at a disadvantage. It was NOT Havoc thought all their CFs were to run out at times they could poach others. That is how they played this age.

If you had come to Rage/Pyro/Pew with that and made them terms to Havoc we would of supported you in them most likely if your true intention WAS to war Pyro fairly.

Instead you wanted to war Pyro without having to agree donating anything to Havoc with a shot at warring Havoc after. You talk so much bollocks :P

Also what actually is it? You wanted a fair war vs Pyro or you deal broke to pay back Havoc?

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Originally Posted by Proteus

Drixx you are such a n00b, boo hoo your ghetto cant beat ama 1v1 so you need to find friends to help you every age...you sound like a coward, abs kds run by real leaders would win fights 1v1 (with exception of havoc) or would atleast go down fighting. But i guess when you get farmed as badly as you did vulturing ama after pumping all age and making cows i guess you have a right to be scared and get a few people to hold your hand. But then again thats why you were never trusted with leading a good kd and only got to lead something after everyone had already quit.

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I think there is 4/5 "original" rage members left here atm so it is basically a new kd. Obviously if you bail at a time the old school core left that had been gelled, been led by ASF/Zoot with vast experience and you was using the core they established like you had to win crowns, it would be 10x easier.

Drixx has basically built a whole new kd and this is only its second age.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

If this was true you could have asked Havoc to back off and tell them you'd give them 15-20k acres after your war with Pyro so you can 3/3 the alliance (Like simians agreed to do with Havoc... to have a legit equal war, give acres afterwards and not before).

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Its all true and there is no reason give Havoc free acres. We can simple war after our war with Pyro. Havoc have enough advantages for win it easy. If they cant win they dont deserve age win. Its simple.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

If this was true you could have asked Havoc to back off and tell them you'd give them 15-20k acres after your war with Pyro so you can 3/3 the alliance (Like simians agreed to do with Havoc... to have a legit equal war, give acres afterwards and not before). Havoc did "tax" simians but it was what they would have gained pre-war via a wave which would of meant simians warred Pyro at a disadvantage. It was NOT Havoc thought all their CFs were to run out at times they could poach others. That is how they played this age.

If you had come to Rage/Pyro/Pew with that and made them terms to Havoc we would of supported you in them most likely if your true intention WAS to war Pyro fairly.

Instead you wanted to war Pyro without having to agree donating anything to Havoc with a shot at warring Havoc after. You talk so much bollocks :P

Also what actually is it? You wanted a fair war vs Pyro or you deal broke to pay back Havoc?

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So far there is:
-Wanted fair war with Pyro
-pay back Havoc with razing after
-pay back Havoc and going for crown
-Pyro not helping them in a case of 2v1
-The raze on their cows
-Not accepting lowblow anymore
-CR trash talking them
-Having some Havocs players in CR
-Clearly getting dealbroke by starting this thread
-Not playing how elit wants you to play
... probably missing 1-10 other reasons.

Wash Rinse Repeat

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Originally Posted by Elit

Its all true and there is no reason give Havoc free acres. We can simple war after our war with Pyro. Havoc have enough advantages for win it easy. If they cant win they dont deserve age win. Its simple.

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Again. Havoc played within the rules and did not **** play. You give them acres because if they full waved you like they would of done they would have yielded far greater acres. It all comes back once again that you do not dictate how others play Elit. Havoc caught you in a position whereby they would beat you based on how they played the age. We all start at 400 acres and they got into that position and you got into the position you was in. So Elit you negotiate and lose some acres for an extended CF or you give them AFTER the war as even if you don't like it, they had outplayed you and the server to get to that position.

Simple.

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Originally Posted by RawStuff

So far there is:
-Wanted fair war with Pyro
-pay back Havoc with razing after
-pay back Havoc and going for crown
-Pyro not helping them in a case of 2v1
-The raze on their cows
-Not accepting lowblow anymore
-CR trash talking them
-Having some Havocs players in CR
-Clearly getting dealbroke by starting this thread
... probably missing 1-10 other reasons.

Wash Rinse Repeat

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-Not playing how Elit wants you to play.

I wonder if Elit is so good at chess because he can manipulate the 9 year old girls to move their pieces where he says for them to move them. It all makes sense now why it is always lil girls he plays.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

If this was true you could have asked Havoc to back off and tell them you'd give them 15-20k acres after your war with Pyro so you can 3/3 the alliance (Like simians agreed to do with Havoc... to have a legit equal war, give acres afterwards and not before). Havoc did "tax" simians but it was what they would have gained pre-war via a wave which would of meant simians warred Pyro at a disadvantage. It was NOT Havoc thought all their CFs were to run out at times they could poach others. That is how they played this age.

If you had come to Rage/Pyro/Pew with that and made them terms to Havoc we would of supported you in them most likely if your true intention WAS to war Pyro fairly.

Instead you wanted to war Pyro without having to agree donating anything to Havoc with a shot at warring Havoc after. You talk so much bollocks :P

Also what actually is it? You wanted a fair war vs Pyro or you deal broke to pay back Havoc?



I think there is 4/5 "original" rage members left here atm so it is basically a new kd. Obviously if you bail at a time the old school core left that had been gelled, been led by ASF/Zoot with vast experience and you was using the core they established like you had to win crowns, it would be 10x easier.

Drixx has basically built a whole new kd and this is only its second age.

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Gotta wonder why those players left eh, they didnt wanna play for n00b leaders, and old school rage was over by age 53, had to replaced 2/3 the kd several times going forward and was still top3 every age and winning. Nice try though.

get a life

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Originally Posted by Proteus

Gotta wonder why those players left eh, they didnt wanna play for n00b leaders, and old school rage was over by age 53, had to replaced 2/3 the kd several times going forward and was still top3 every age and winning. Nice try though.

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So the kd left as they didn't want to play for a noob leader you say... and then you just admitted 2/3 left when you came to power as you had to replace them... lol.

What does that say for you?

Elit is like a raven, if he see something that shines he just cant stop himself, he gotta reach for it and try and steal it.
Its in his nature. Thiefs cant be trusted nor reasoned with. They will try to lie themselfs out of every situation they might find themselfs in. They can get caught on camera with thier hands in the cookie-jar and they would still not admit being wrong, despite being caught in the act of stealing. Now, this is just not any cookie, its the crown and it shines so hard that it can blind the most honorable men in this game, so dont expect the most dirty man in the game to not attempt to ****play. Its just that some days, after enough of ****play, the rest gets fed up and wants to make a change vs the likes of Elit, that has been a criminal for many ages and a very dirty little lier.

It comes a time and that time is now, when people want to act against these sorts of play. People seen ****play go down so many times the last couple of ages that they got fed up, this moment was perfect to try and have all top KDs make a change.
No matter if they ****played or have been ****played in the past. We all agreed upon trying to make this a better game and prevent things like this from happening. Thus AMA gets GBed, an example needs to be made out of them, or beat into them until they agree to terms of fair play.

We do this today for the chance of a better game tomorrow

#fairplay

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Originally Posted by American Badass

So the kd left as they didn't want to play for a noob leader you say... and then you just admitted 2/3 left when you came to power as you had to replace them... lol.

What does that say for you?

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Learn to read i said i had to replace 2/3 the kd over ages 51-57 when did i say they all left when I came to power and if that was the case why did we have one of the best warring and chart presence records in the top in a era infinitely more competitive than this one?

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Originally Posted by Anri

Elit is like a raven, if he see something that shines he just cant stop himself, he gotta reach for it and try and steal it.
Its in his nature. Thiefs cant be trusted nor reasoned with. They will try to lie themselfs out of every situation they might find themselfs in. They can get caught on camera with thier hands in the cookie-jar and they would still not admit being wrong, despite being caught in the act of stealing. Now, this is just not any cookie, its the crown and it shines so hard that it can blind the most honorable men in this game, so dont expect the most dirty man in the game to not attempt to ****play. Its just that some days, after enough of ****play, the rest gets fed up and wants to make a change vs the likes of Elit, that has been a criminal for many ages and a very dirty little lier.

It comes a time and that time is now, when people want to act against these sorts of play. People seen ****play go down so many times the last couple of ages that they got fed up, this moment was perfect to try and have all top KDs make a change.
No matter if they ****played or have been ****played in the past. We all agreed upon trying to make this a better game and prevent things like this from happening. Thus AMA gets GBed, an example needs to be made out of them, or beat into them until they agree to terms of fair play.

We do this today for the chance of a better game tomorrow

#fairplay

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Anri earlier this age you were crying when pyro was hitting you in 2v1 anda you join gb with me. All this is is a bunch of kds who cant beat ama 1v1 teaming up nothing more and nothing less.

Simians tagging Fair Play - hahahaahhghahhahahahahahahahaahah :D :D :D Funniest thing EVA!

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Originally Posted by Anri

Elit is like a raven, if he see something that shines he just cant stop himself, he gotta reach for it and try and steal it.
Its in his nature. Thiefs cant be trusted nor reasoned with. They will try to lie themselfs out of every situation they might find themselfs in. They can get caught on camera with thier hands in the cookie-jar and they would still not admit being wrong, despite being caught in the act of stealing. Now, this is just not any cookie, its the crown and it shines so hard that it can blind the most honorable men in this game, so dont expect the most dirty man in the game to not attempt to ****play. Its just that some days, after enough of ****play, the rest gets fed up and wants to make a change vs the likes of Elit, that has been a criminal for many ages and a very dirty little lier.

It comes a time and that time is now, when people want to act against these sorts of play. People seen ****play go down so many times the last couple of ages that they got fed up, this moment was perfect to try and have all top KDs make a change.
No matter if they ****played or have been ****played in the past. We all agreed upon trying to make this a better game and prevent things like this from happening. Thus AMA gets GBed, an example needs to be made out of them, or beat into them until they agree to terms of fair play.

We do this today for the chance of a better game tomorrow

#fairplay

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wtf Anri, Elit mutated from snake to raven?!

Anri, you deal broke us and gbed us 3 ages ago because we didunt double hostile SWEA for help Simians. Its good example for fair play and justice :)

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Originally Posted by Proteus

All this is is a bunch of kds who cant beat ama 1v1 teaming up nothing more and nothing less.

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You realize this is an incorrect statement until you actually beat Pyro right?

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Originally Posted by guard14n

Simians tagging Fair Play - hahahaahhghahhahahahahahahahaahah :D :D :D Funniest thing EVA!

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You just made me chuckle :)

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Originally Posted by wickedfail

You realize this is an incorrect statement until you actually beat Pyro right?

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Well technically AMA already beat Pyro once. 5-6 ages ago we arranged war, wtfpwned them in hostile already and they asked for CF, coz they understood they have zero chances, if they declare. Since we were after wars, we CFed and moved along.

What kd AMA never beat apart from some unknown ghettos is BB.

I keep seeing 'you did this **** play <insert time in past>'.
Its got to stop somewhere, and now is a good of time as any. Age 61 is a clean slate for all, this age has a statement and I think its a positive one for the community as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Spahrep

I keep seeing 'you did this **** play <insert time in past>'.
Its got to stop somewhere, and now is a good of time as any. Age 61 is a clean slate for all, this age has a statement and I think its a positive one for the community as a whole.

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Totally agree!

Sick of these big heads using past excuses to ruin the game for others, like there time alone is worth currency!

Dont worry anri I'll make a new kd eventually and you and I can 2v1 someone together :)

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Originally Posted by Spahrep

I keep seeing 'you did this **** play <insert time in past>'.
Its got to stop somewhere, and now is a good of time as any. Age 61 is a clean slate for all, this age has a statement and I think its a positive one for the community as a whole.

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+1!

I hope you Spahrep are right. But as I stated. I expect the witch hunt to continue next age :)

Even if this ever gets solved, they will just ****play us again whenever they feel like. They should spent some time on making their kingdoms better instead :P

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Originally Posted by Ezzerland

It would make for an interesting Age. I am sure with Elit's vocal thick headed approach that it is surely coming, for AMA at least.

Dang man. I took 3 years off. Quit cold turkey and literally stopped talking to anyone/showing up on IRC. Game still got the better of me and pulled me back in. The lady is doing fine, and so are the kids :) Getting prepped to move another 3k miles this summer. Home sweet home :)

Bandwagoning doesn't make you a cool cat. You were offered help to GB Havoc the age they 2v1'd you, and turned it down. For the last 3 ages, the combo of you and flogger have been the only ones with any real power. You weren't interested in addressing **** play. I'm sure you wont be in the future too.

Rage did the right thing last age, and offered you a diplomatic solution this age to let you claim your "revenge" (which is another bull**** story), and you refused that. You're not interested in ethics anymore, period.

Also, Rage becoming allies with pew seems to have ensured Pew didn't farm out this age or do any ****play. That's more than you were willing to do. In case you forget, you publicly stated you were not interested in fixing these kinds of problems at the core. Now I see why.

If the top is not prepared to handle you with appropriate action, then they had better be prepared for your continued ****play. I will be expecting it.

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+1 Bro.

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 19 (6,115 acres)
-- Traditional march: 19 (6,115 acres)
-- Uniques: 6
Total attacks suffered: 237 (21,246 acres)
-- Traditional march: 78 (21,246 acres)
-- Raze: 137 (2,091 acres)
-- Failed: 22 (9.3% failure)
-- Uniques: 80

** The kingdom of AMA **
Total land exchanged: -15,131 (19/237)
+2,702 An unknown province (8/0)
+210 Im so fluffy (2 [1]/1)
+192 Mar Sara (1 [1]/0)
- not enough for me (0/17)
-50 The Walking Dead (2 [1]/1)
-155 Erza Scarlet (2 [1]/2)
-392 Zyra (2 [1]/2)
-429 Epic fail (0/1)
-443 Captquain Bgrognorbd (2 [1]/4)
-473 Bieber4ever (0/2)
-518 Air 23 Jordan (0/1)
-552 Forlorn Palace (0/1)
-636 Taylor Swift (0/1)
-734 Alonso (0/2)
-6,604 Mattress (0/73)
-9,340 Vashta Nerada (0/129)


** The kingdom of CR **
Total land exchanged: +7,731 (57/19)
+1,342 the rest under his bed (3 [1]/0)
+908 Hes out of sit time (3 [1]/0)
+890 He got struck by lightning (3 [1]/0)
+759 And ways to say he died (3 [1]/4)
+675 His gold turned to lead (1 [1]/0)
+602 Burned by an arsonist (3 [1]/0)
+601 Got run over by a (4 [1]/0)
+562 then QQed on the forum (1 [1]/0)
+526 Help him help him (2 [1]/0)
+513 Fireballed to ten (1 [1]/0)
+475 where you went Im gonna say (4 [1]/0)
+460 and bounced by a soldier ball (3 [1]/0)
+451 He was hit by a meteor (4 [1]/0)
+450 bunch of crappy land hits (2 [1]/0)
+416 A tiny halfling stole (4 [1]/0)
+384 Then drowned in a storm (3 [1]/0)
+364 Fell into a pitfall (1 [1]/0)
+270 his peasants revolted (1 [1]/0)
-174 Thats cool but if they ask (4 [1]/2)
-234 Got caught in a tornado (4 [1]/3)
-568 had a couple nightmares (0/1)
-1,941 made chaste by mystic (3 [1]/9)


** The kingdom of PYRO **
Total land exchanged: +7,397 (38/1)
+4,601 An unknown province (12/0)
+686 08 how tough you are (3 [1]/0)
+671 17 how hard you hit (3 [1]/0)
+664 25 We did it (2 [1]/0)
+473 06 and nasty place (1 [1]/0)
+292 18 Its about how (1 [1]/0)
+87 24 Yo Adrian (1 [1]/0)
+45 07 I dont care (3 [1]/0)
+30 10 to your knees (2 [1]/0)
+30 13 You me or nobody (3 [1]/0)
+30 12 permanently if you let it (2 [1]/0)
+30 09 it will beat you (3 [1]/0)
+15 20 hit and keep moving (1 [1]/0)
+15 11 and keep you there (1 [1]/0)
+15 04 all sunshine and rainbows (1 [1]/0)


** The kingdom of SIMIANS **
Total land exchanged: +3 (59/0)
+77 Blood and Sand (5 [1]/0)
+60 LuckyShot (4 [1]/0)
+60 Cheese Pie (4 [1]/0)
+48 luvulongtime (3 [1]/0)
+45 Interesting Times (4 [1]/0)
+45 Woof bloody woof (4 [1]/0)
+45 The Mentalist (4 [1]/0)
+45 Queen of Blades (3 [1]/0)
+45 Paul Walker (4 [1]/0)
+45 Oh No its HIM (3 [1]/0)
+45 No alarms anymore for me (4 [1]/0)
+45 Friesian (4 [1]/0)
+33 Madara Uchiha (3 [1]/0)
+30 FazeBook (2 [1]/0)
+30 Rosso (2 [1]/0)
+30 Help ME Im defenseless (3 [1]/0)
+15 burundukos (1 [1]/0)
+15 arghh RORO (1 [1]/0)
+15 I eat elves for breakfast (1 [1]/0)


** The kingdom of RBL **
Total land exchanged: NO CHANGE (61/1)
+60 02 OaGSi1YTA-E (4 [1]/0)
+60 01 WXafy1n9cVY (4 [1]/0)
+45 10 GF8aaTu2kg0 (3 [1]/0)
+45 05 HilAVhm3BqI (3 [1]/0)
+45 23 jofNR_WkoCE (4 [1]/0)
+45 22 PSKQ3ZNQ_O8 (4 [1]/0)
+45 21 Fkx8Jyrf6bk (4 [1]/0)
+45 20 J---aiyznGQ (4 [1]/0)
+45 17 Dl96dXxZXvU (4 [1]/0)
+45 16 QKcxhQZxvdw (4 [1]/0)
+45 11 oOlDewpCfZQ (3 [1]/0)
+45 07 uVOn_JXo2Jw (4 [1]/0)
+39 19 gUvROoYft1k (4 [1]/0)
+30 15 D4NubXXg5Rk (3 [1]/0)
+30 09 ImIa_5awDFg (3 [1]/0)
+30 06 26YLehuMydo (2 [1]/0)
+30 03 wB0hg4_JH0I (4 [1]/0)
+15 An unknown province (1/0)


** The kingdom of WHO ARE THESE GHETTOS? **
Total land exchanged: NO CHANGE (14/0)
+77 Drip (5 [1]/0)
+48 Morning Dew (3 [1]/0)
+40 Bugs in the Rug (2 [1]/0)
+34 gma (2 [1]/0)
+15 Scabies (1 [1]/0)
- SyFy (1/0)


** The kingdom of WHO ARE THESE GHETTOS? **
Total land exchanged: NO CHANGE (5/0)
+20 Stonehouse (1 [1]/0)
+20 Sick And Tired (1 [1]/0)
+19 4 juno (1 [1]/0)
+17 Dangerous Asteroid (2 [1]/0)


** The kingdom of REMOTE **
Total land exchanged: NO CHANGE (1/0)
- chart watching prov (1/0)

6v1? This is how fairplay in age 60 looks like ;)

Few posters getting a tad too heated. Keep it reasonable please.

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight

Totally agree!

Sick of these big heads using past excuses to ruin the game for others, like there time alone is worth currency!

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We can move on after get my pay back with pyro for join GB ;)

Turns out the totally random province razing our cows is old Mercy monarch, ex-Havoc player TheRock! Discuss!

Sorry Elit - After age 60 - Its all in the past.
Server wide amnesty for all past actions.

<3 TheRock

y he no post? :(

totally random imo!

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Originally Posted by Cello

Turns out the totally random province razing our cows is old Mercy monarch, ex-Havoc player TheRock! Discuss!

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Its normal if ex Havoc player raze us right before we war. Its called fair play and Godly approve it :P