AMA vs sanct round 2

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Originally Posted by Crazy Pete

Let's clear this up right now for u guyz not so good at math Absalom has 3 kingdoms and 75 players. Don't lump HoH into it cause we have a NAP.......Heard this stuff to many times and it's been said 100 players lots in this thread (4 kd's).

Anyways we haven't done anything to Elit this age, and neither has he done anything to us. GL in your war

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HoH isn't Abs, yet when I approach Abs for diplo, they include HoH?

<maximouse> what am I suposed to tell havoc, rage and hoh

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Originally Posted by goodz

Sanc sent a CF. They should not be opping etc.

I noticed. You tried to run by waving a KD way out of your declare range. I waved.

You have treated us like dirt all age. It comes back to you. I tried to get you to negotiate with sanc and offered to reset notice but your only terms were 1 week nap with havoc, 20k acres, 100m gc. This wasn't a realistic attempt at diplo. I said balance out lost GC and acres and reset notice. You didn't like that and demanded 30k free I believe then later changed it to 20k + 1 week.

I told you ~YR6 when you interfered in us bringing down a province unbreakable to you that I would notice you YR8. I told you when you loc leaked us that I would notice you. Can spin things whichever way but I am happy enough with my actions and will live with them. If we both burn I do not mind. You should have just given me my 50m gc and 1.5k acres I asked for as reperations for you interfering in our business earlier in age and the intel leaking. Instead you told me to wave you in YR8.

Finally I am not going to sit around well you explore people and claim hostile with a KD out of declare range. :)

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There is no declare range once the button is maxed. You've double hostiled AMA, and had no justification to do so beyond the fact that you dislike them.

Unite and kill

Wtf this is all super lame..

to goodz

They should not be oping... that's something I agree with. Unfortunately it differs from reality :). Still you don't answer the questions:

- why are we accused of trying to run away when actions from their kd started it all (again if there were no robberies there wouldn't have been any excuses for us to run away)
- why our actions are treated as running, while theirs not (they also got noticed).
- and can you give us a reason to run away from you having land advantage and collected gold, and run into a situation where we get our cows hit and fbed and our gold robbed?

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Originally Posted by goodz

Sanc sent a CF. They should not be opping etc.

I noticed. You tried to run by waving a KD way out of your declare range. I waved.

You have treated us like dirt all age. It comes back to you. I tried to get you to negotiate with sanc and offered to reset notice but your only terms were 1 week nap with havoc, 20k acres, 100m gc. This wasn't a realistic attempt at diplo. I said balance out lost GC and acres and reset notice. You didn't like that and demanded 30k free I believe then later changed it to 20k + 1 week.

I told you ~YR6 when you interfered in us bringing down a province unbreakable to you that I would notice you YR8. I told you when you loc leaked us that I would notice you. Can spin things whichever way but I am happy enough with my actions and will live with them. If we both burn I do not mind. You should have just given me my 50m gc and 1.5k acres I asked for as reperations for you interfering in our business earlier in age and the intel leaking. Instead you told me to wave you in YR8.

Finally I am not going to sit around well you explore people and claim hostile with a KD out of declare range. :)

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Nuff said..

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Originally Posted by DHaran

There is no declare range once the button is maxed. You've double hostiled AMA, and had no justification to do so beyond the fact that you dislike them.

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Nuff said !

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Sanc sent a CF. They should not be opping etc.

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You shouldnt hit into a hostile either but hey, apparently you took the right to decide what is a hostile and whats not so suddenly thats okey.

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I noticed. You tried to run by waving a KD way out of your declare range. I waved.

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I guess you would just there and watch while somebody stole all your gold?

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Finally I am not going to sit around well you explore people and claim hostile with a KD out of declare range. :)

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You would think that someone that played this game for so long would know what is possible in the game, DHaran already pointed it for you thou but letst make it really obvious and maybe you realize it.

"or if the maximum hostility level is reached by both kingdoms."

So there isnt any out of declare range, its sad that you dont even know the basics of relations at least :(

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Originally Posted by Elitbg

Offer CF don't mean we will accept it. Sanctuary are in positive land gains.

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Originally Posted by goodz

Finally I am not going to sit around well you explore people and claim hostile with a KD out of declare range. :)

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Goodz translation: welcome back to top play, this just in you lose.

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Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter

To Zauper
- The so called "target sharing" of Havoc's cows has nothing to do with the current situation. Otherwise that can be treated as a revenge from Absalom alliance or whatever u call it. Also I didn't say robberies=hostile. I simply said the obvious - the whole current hostile started because of them. And for some reason you are twisting the words in a way to avoid that fact.

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It has to do with whether robberies are accepted and acceptable or not. It has to do with whether Sanc initiated or if you initiated. Elit has said that he considers robbing to be a hostile act, that Sanc initiated hostilities. By that argument, by targetsharing Havoc, you got a number of different kds to hostile them. That's not twisting words.

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Also MA didn't offer cf but Sanctuary didn't as well. Is it double standard? We didnt offer cf=we planned to wave them, but they didnt offer cf is not equal to they planned to double us?

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There's no evidence either way, I didn't say that there was. But not offering them a CF did allow them to rob 100M gc from you.

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Can you explain the difference? And since when coming oow with a 100% sure incoming war in 48 hours and full of gold is saying "we wont war u!". Have you heared of fortified? Maybe explore and train in 48 hours? Is that so hard for you to grasp as a possibility?

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I aint never heared o nothin', cuz it ain't a word :). Sure, you could go into fortified, but you would have spent most of your cash reserves on exploring, and thus not been as trained up.

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- as for the preparation and gold. Not sure how you prepare for wars. But on that land level exploring is not just for the sake of exploration but also to prepare for war.

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Would your ~130 nwa calves have been substantially more pumped? I doubt it...

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- and how exactly it is safe to explore+prepare for Havoc when we are hostile with Sanctuary? By losing couple of hundred millions? By losing army hitting them? By staying in aggressive instead of fortified for 2 days?

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Because Sanc can't hit your calves, which gives you time to secure them in a world in which Havoc isn't hitting you? Do you not think that that would be a huge advantage, as opposed to fighting a Havoc that can hit your calves?

edit: Korp, didn't they sit and watch while you stole their gold? Should they have broken CF and immediately waved Elit for targetsharing their 0 thief cow?

Zauper, keep your arguments for you. Havoc double hostile us. Its all.

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Korp, didn't they sit and watch while you stole their gold? Should they have broken CF and immediately waved Elit for targetsharing their 0 gc cow?

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No, they were really mean :( If the cow had 0 gc whats the problem? Then all the complaining they done is lies.

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Originally Posted by Zauper

It has to do with whether robberies are accepted and acceptable or not. It has to do with whether Sanc initiated or if you initiated. Elit has said that he considers robbing to be a hostile act, that Sanc initiated hostilities. By that argument, by targetsharing Havoc, you got a number of different kds to hostile them. That's not twisting words.



There's no evidence either way, I didn't say that there was. But not offering them a CF did allow them to rob 100M gc from you.



I aint never heared o nothin', cuz it ain't a word :). Sure, you could go into fortified, but you would have spent most of your cash reserves on exploring, and thus not been as trained up.


Would your ~130 nwa calves have been substantially more pumped? I doubt it...


Because Sanc can't hit your calves, which gives you time to secure them in a world in which Havoc isn't hitting you? Do you not think that that would be a huge advantage, as opposed to fighting a Havoc that can hit your calves?

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Facts are facts. No matter how you consider robberies. Sanctuary robbed us, we attacked because of that. We use it as an "excuse" according to your words. If they hadn't robbed us what would we use for an excuse to run? Again don't compare that to Havoc's prov, because they kept 0 thieves for a week, they didnt get out of war, they didnt have a notice incoming, nor they warred 48 hours after they got robbed. There are more differences than similarities.

Well then ask dorje or anyone in sanctuary if they offered cf, and then come here and make assumptions. Yet again you base your arguments on something you haven't checked. I totally agree with the last part of the post :), they robbed us cause we had no cf, so obvious.

Have you got any idea how much gcs we had? Or what was our exploration plan? Or how much gcs did we need to do it? Plain speculations :).

You will be surprised how much npa can a halfling gain in 48 hours pump :).
Sanc cant hit our calves, that's why they took 15k acres, 1/2 of which from our big provs. Because they can't hit them... Did you at least checked sn to see what was going on? :) Surely you like to make arguments with 0 info what happened.

People have to understand that this was not an accident. Sanc didnt tag hostile once during this even, trained up their cows with 1.2 mil and 6-700k def for the sole reason of weakning our top provs before havoc swoops in. Same with the stealing ops.
Disgraceful behaviour by a sad bunch of players, we saw clearly what happened in a fair battle in the war vs sanc, they cant win in a fair fight so use dirty methods, easy as that.

saD.

Why would AMA need to CF a kingdom they just spanked? I loves all the drama. Someone summarise todays posting please. Got to 18 and decided to just post this.