Human Sage Example Province

The Province of SageWay ()
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Server: Genesis #19
Utopian Date: March 24th, YR7 (2% in the day)
RL Date: February 7th, 2009 (23:31 GMT)

Ruler Name: The Wise Lord Tatic
Personality & Race: The Sage, Human
Land: 1,088 Acres
Money: 52,335gc (46,617gc daily income)
Food: 337,450 bushels
Runes: 22,500 runes
Population: 30,955 citizens (28.45 per Acre)
Peasants: 13,000 (109% Building Efficiency)
Trade Balance: -143,370gc (0% tax rate)

ME+Stance (no spells): 148.01% off. / 132.49% def.
Soldiers: 1,065 (55% estimated draft rate)
Swordsmen: 0
Archers: 7,281 (57,879 defense)
Knights: 6,266 (55,645 offense / 24,905 defense)
War-Horses: 1,998 (up to 2,957 additional offense)
Prisoners: 0

Total Modified Offense: 60,179 (55.31 per Acre)
Practical (100% elites): 60,179 (55.31 per Acre)
Total Modified Defense: 84,195 (77.39 per Acre)
Practical (0% elites): 59,290 (54.49 per Acre)

Thieves: 2,412 (2.22 per Acre / 100% Stealth)
Wizards: 931 (0.86 per Acre / 42% Mana)

Crystal-Ball on your province will show:
Max. Possible Thieves/Wizards: 4,870 (4.48 / Acre)
Estimated Thieves Number: 1,948 (1.79 per Acre)
Estimated Wizards Number: 730 (0.67 per Acre)

** Networth Table: **
Total Networth: 167,401gc (153.86 per Acre)
Land (90% built): 55,488gc (33%) - [15+40gc]
Archers: 43,686gc (26%) - [6gc]
Knights: 32,896gc (20%) - [5.25gc]
Peasants: 13,000gc (8%) - [1gc]
Thieves: 9,648gc (6%) - [4gc]
Science (estimated): 6,110gc (4%) - [1/92gc]
Wizards: 3,724gc (2%) - [4gc]
Soldiers: 1,598gc (1%) - [1.5gc]
War Horses: 1,199gc (1%) - [0.6gc]
Money: 52gc (0%) - [1/1000gc]

Buildings: 1,029gc to build, 622gc to raze
Away bonus: 65,000gc (12h) / 195,000gc (20h)


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Buildings Report of SageWay ()
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Server: Genesis #19
Ruler Name: Lord Tatic
Personality: The Sage
Race: Human
Building Efficiency: 109%
Kingdom Stance: Normal

1. Homes: 374 (34.4%) + 61 in progress (+5.6%)
2. Farms: 57 (5.2%) + 1 in progress (+0.1%)
3. Training Grounds: 131 (12%) + 28 in progress (+2.6%)
4. Forts: 131 (12%) + 28 in progress (+2.6%)
5. Guilds: 93 (8.5%) + 16 in progress (+1.5%)
6. Towers: 28 (2.6%) + 5 in progress (+0.5%)
7. Stables: 113 (10.4%)
8. Dungeons: 9 (0.8%) + 13 in progress (+1.2%)

Total Land: 1,088 Acres (86% built)
In Progress: 152 Acres (14%)

** Effects Summary (Available Buildings Only) **
1. +2,992 maximum population, +98.36% birth rate
2. Produce 5,436 bushels (6,795 with FL)
3. +17.32% offense bonus
4. +17.32% defense bonus
5. Training about 2.03 wizards per hour
6. Produce 458 runes per hour
7. Produce 123 horses/hour, hold 6,780 horses
8. 180 prisoners (540 offense, 90gc, 90 jobs)

** Effects Summary (Including Future Buildings) **
1. +3,480 maximum population, +100% birth rate
2. Produce 5,532 bushels (6,915 with FL)
3. +20.4% offense bonus
4. +20.4% defense bonus
5. Training about 2.38 wizards per hour
6. Produce 540 runes per hour
8. 440 prisoners (1,320 offense, 220gc, 220 jobs)

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Science Intelligence on SageWay )
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Server: Genesis #19
Books to Allocate: 1,088 books

** Effects Summary (Known Science Only) **
14.3% Income (73,053 points)
10.2% Building Effectiveness (73,059 points)
6.7% Population Limits (73,055 points)
81.9% Food Production (73,054 points)
14.3% Gains in Combat (73,066 points)
61.5% Thievery Effectiveness (73,056 points)
61.5% Magic Effectiveness & Rune Production (73,059 points)

** Science Points in Progress **
Alchemy: 2,074 points in progress
Tools: 2,068 points in progress
Housing: 2,072 points in progress
Food: 2,073 points in progress
Military: 2,061 points in progress
Crime: 2,071 points in progress
Channeling: 2,068 points in progress

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I am going lower stables to 10%. I am going to lower farms to 4% then 3%. I will increase the amount of jails I have as the jails fill up. 5% dungeons is the most I will ever need for my type of army. Oh I almost for got to tell you guys what I plan as my draft, my draft will be 70%.
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Total Modified Offense: 60,179 (55.31 per Acre)

LOL yea vines that is really some powerful attacking power you have there.. NOT.

And nice job having more horse space than you have offensive troops, more wasted building space lmfao.

This is such a horrible province. I can't wait til Ezzer kicks the crap out of it in a few days.

As I said before I'm going to lower stables to 10% that will give me around the right amount. I am looking forward to facing Ezzer's human sage province. It will serve as a good example of this province in combat. I'm going to give him as much time as he needs. That is the main reason I am staying the same size.

My DE sage has triple his TPA, triple his WPA and better practical offence and practical defence, with only 10 DPA less turtled defence.

Thats while also having 15% Hospitals among other things.

He has nothing to do with losing men I have rebuilt my built 4 time with in the last 2 days and I'm rebuilding my military structure. When Ezzer's province faces mine that is the true test. If my example province is as weak as you say it is then it will fail.

lol 40% homes.........what a horrible human sage build

I bet Vines always goes for the 4 extra hrs option in his attacks

Most of the times I don't only when the province I'm attacking is really open.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by vines

He has nothing to do with losing men I have rebuilt my built 4 time with in the last 2 days and I'm rebuilding my military structure.

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that strikes me as a little wasteful vines

Total Modified Offense: 294,491 (149.49 per Acre)
Practical (10% elites): 147,276 (74.76 per Acre)
Total Modified Defense: 149,878 (76.08 per Acre)
Practical (90% elites): 134,955 (68.51 per Acre)

Thieves: 12,600 (6.40 per Acre / 100% Stealth)
Wizards: 4,677 (2.37 per Acre / 56% Mana)

Thats my DE now. Might get myself razed down to Vines' size so can wipe the floor with him for a laugh. >100% in both T and M sciences with 20% TD and 15% Hospitals.

On a side note, ETB sucks!

Awesome concert last night :p

On topic - Shank, he has to continue rebuilding, he has to make sure his setup can beat mine :)

Update: My province is now 24h into it's life. I failed my first spell! yay! :p
Oh yes, currently only 900 acres. 200 acres currently in exploration though so I'll be oop at 1100 acres, fitting of vines size.

You mean you want to go through with this okay that's fine with me. In fact I'll let you be 20 acres bigger the me.
Ezzerland I was already rebuild before you offered to dual me. This had nothing to do with you. I was going to do this any way.
And I by mistake attacked someone. Before I log on. So did know you were really going through with this. So just gain around another 160acre and you should be around my size.

lol god I can't wait to see the destruction of vines. Ezzer I am jealous you have the time to do this and I don't :(

I should be ~1100 acres oop vines. That should be close enough to your size to compete with you.

I don't really have the time, DHaran.

Logins: 3
Minutes: 33

Look at the amazing time I dedicate toward this.

Do you try to make it sound like you do not have the advantage. You province is new so that mean you don't have lots of thieves and wpa. This mean you can put more into military. If you do not want to match me acre for acre that is no you.

Also I'm give you all my example province's stats. And I know nothing of your province. This kind of situation is the hardest to over come for an attacker. That is why this is the prefect example of how to attack using this strategy.

To be successful I need top notch skill and top notch luck.

I will post my stats tomorrow. As I said every other day. It just happens that day is tomorrow.

Your province has been pumping/running for how many days?

You have how much sci by comparison? how much longer you had to pump your army? How many people in this thread have given you examples of what to improve your prov on?

I have the advantages?

It's ok, when I log tomorrow I'll post my provs stats. I'll give you an even bigger advantage than you already have. I'm not really worried about showing you how I do what I do. It may be helpful :)

You challenged me.
I'm have not been pumping at all. In fact with in the past to days I let go of over 3k of my elites. I would not call that pumping.

And I have lowered my science rate to help you catch up. There is not much more I can do to help you out. I'm giving all my stats and what I intend to do with my province. I'm trying my best to give you all the advantages. You better use them.

I just read this magical thread. LOL

Go Ezzerland!

Do not feel that need to post your stats. However, if you do want to by all means post them. However if you are going to that you have to include a cb, survey, and a science report(Military it is up to you).

I'll post them, np.

Please, keep pumping your sci and your prov at the best rate you can. I'm not interested in catching up. I will happily take all the disadvantages I can get.

This thread has turned into another classic. Come on guy! Post the provs!

Vines will lose this battle so hard.

sorry, woke up 5h later than I was supposed to :P

This is the hour of prot where I just now started training troops. Also means I had to set my draft back to aggressive since I just have too much money..

I'll guess that I'll be ready to fight you in maybe 3-4 days, when my draft is caught up, considering it's only like 28% right now (and I'm 1k away from max pop)

Here you go:

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The Province of Eliminating Vines (##:##)
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Server: Genesis #19
Utopian Date: May 20th, YR7 (85% in the day)
RL Date: February 9th, 2009 (20:21 GMT)

Ruler Name: The Wise Lord Pest Management Inc
Personality & Race: The Sage, Human
Land: 1,105 Acres
Money: 421,734gc (72,447gc daily income)
Food: 84,768 bushels
Runes: 837 runes
Population: 20,712 citizens (18.74 per Acre)
Peasants: 20,203 (104% Building Efficiency)
Trade Balance: 0gc (0% tax rate)

ME+Stance (no spells): 100% off. / 100% def.
Soldiers: 0 (0% estimated draft rate)
Swordsmen: 0
Archers: 0
Knights: 0
War-Horses: 0
Prisoners: 0

Total Modified Offense: 0
Practical (100% elites): 0
Total Modified Defense: 0
Practical (0% elites): 0

Thieves: 0 (0.00 per Acre / 100% Stealth)
Wizards: 509 (0.46 per Acre / 61% Mana)

Crystal-Ball on your province will show:
Max. Possible Thieves/Wizards: 145 (0.13 / Acre)
Estimated Thieves Number: 58 (0.05 per Acre)
Estimated Wizards Number: 22 (0.02 per Acre)

** Networth Table: **
Total Networth: 77,561gc (70.19 per Acre)
Land (90% built): 56,355gc (73%) - [15+40gc]
Peasants: 20,203gc (26%) - [1gc]
Wizards: 2,036gc (3%) - [4gc]
Money: 422gc (1%) - [1/1000gc]

Buildings: 1,034gc to build, 626gc to raze
Away bonus: 101,015gc (12h) / 303,045gc (20h)



--- SoS ---
Science Intelligence on Eliminating Vines (##:##)
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Server: Genesis #19
Land: 1,105 Acres
Books to Allocate: 0 books

** Effects Summary (Known Science Only) **
5.9% Income (12,461 points)
4.1% Building Effectiveness (11,667 points)
2.6% Population Limits (11,667 points)
19% Food Production (3,998 points)
1.4% Gains in Combat (667 points)
5.8% Thievery Effectiveness (666 points)
5.8% Magic Effectiveness & Rune Production (665 points)

** Science Points in Progress **
Alchemy: 6,233 points in progress
Tools: 5,833 points in progress
Housing: 4,611 points in progress
Food: 1,334 points in progress
Military: 333 points in progress
Crime: 334 points in progress
Channeling: 335 points in progress



--- SoM ---
Military Intelligence on Eliminating Vines (##:##)
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Server: Genesis #19
Ruler & Race: Lord Pest Management Inc, Human.

** Summary **
Non-Peasants: 28%
Efficiency (SoM): 117.3% off., 100% def., 100% raw
Modified Attack points (calculated): 0
Modified Defense points (calculated): 0

** Troops in Training **
Archers: 7,678 (46,068 defense)
Next 9 hours: 404 404 404 404 404 404 404 405 404...



--- Survey ---
Buildings Report of Eliminating Vines (##:##)
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Server: Genesis #19
Ruler Name: Lord Pest Management Inc
Personality: The Sage
Race: Human
Building Efficiency: 104.1%
Kingdom Stance: Normal

1. Homes: 66 (6%) + 44 in progress (+4%)
2. Farms: 59 (5.3%) + 29 in progress (+2.6%)
3. Mills: 164 (14.8%)
4. Banks: 196 (17.7%)
5. Training Grounds: 0 (0%) + 50 in progress (+4.5%)
6. Armouries: 197 (17.8%)
7. Guilds: 131 (11.9%)
8. Towers: 39 (3.5%)
9. Stables: 0 (0%) + 130 in progress (+11.8%)

Total Land: 1,105 Acres (77.1% built)
In Progress: 253 Acres (22.9%)

** Effects Summary (Available Buildings Only) **
1. +528 maximum population, +23.39% birth rate
2. Produce 5,374 bushels (6,718 with FL)
3. -52.63% building costs, -39.47% exploration gc
4. 6,376gc, +23.73% income
5. +0% offense bonus
6. -22.88% training costs, -30.5% draft costs, -30.5% wages
7. Training about 2.73 wizards per hour
8. Produce 609 runes per hour
9. Produce 0 horses/hour, hold 0 horses

** Effects Summary (Including Future Buildings) **
1. +880 maximum population, +37.33% birth rate
2. Produce 8,016 bushels (10,020 with FL)
5. +6.75% offense bonus
9. Produce 135 horses/hour, hold 7,800 horses

I really, really don't think vines will last long.

You need another 31% in homes - what are you thinking? Good lord, man - your BE will never remain at 100%????!!!!

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Originally Posted by Newark

You need another 31% in homes - what are you thinking? Good lord, man - your BE will never remain at 100%????!!!!

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nice comment =)
but its not so much that it wont remain at 100%
its that it wont remain at 100% BASE BE =)

The Province of SageWay (##:##)
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Server: Genesis #19
Utopian Date: June 4th, YR7 (75% in the day)
RL Date: February 10th, 2009 (4:15 GMT)

Ruler Name: The Wise Lord Tatic
Personality & Race: The Sage, Human
Land: 1,254 Acres
Money: 82,958gc (57,701gc daily income)
Food: 272,298 bushels
Runes: 33,286 runes
Population: 36,783 citizens (29.33 per Acre)
Peasants: 16,091 (110% Building Efficiency)
Trade Balance: -125,873gc (0% tax rate)

ME+Stance (no spells): 149.2% off. / 133.56% def.
Soldiers: 226 (53.4% estimated draft rate)
Swordsmen: 0
Archers: 10,886 (87,236 defense)
Knights: 6,123 (54,815 offense / 24,534 defense)
War-Horses: 6,780 (up to 9,473 additional offense)
Prisoners: 440 (1,969 offense)

Total Modified Offense: 66,594 (53.11 per Acre)
Practical (100% elites): 66,594 (53.11 per Acre)
Total Modified Defense: 112,071 (89.37 per Acre)
Practical (0% elites): 87,537 (69.81 per Acre)

Thieves: 2,412 (1.92 per Acre / 95% Stealth)
Wizards: 1,045 (0.83 per Acre / 59% Mana)

Crystal-Ball on your province will show:
Max. Possible Thieves/Wizards: 5,236 (4.18 / Acre)
Estimated Thieves Number: 2,094 (1.67 per Acre)
Estimated Wizards Number: 785 (0.63 per Acre)

** Networth Table: **
Total Networth: 202,940gc (161.83 per Acre)
Archers: 65,316gc (32%) - [6gc]
Land (90% built): 63,954gc (32%) - [15+40gc]
Knights: 32,146gc (16%) - [5.25gc]
Peasants: 16,091gc (8%) - [1gc]
Thieves: 9,648gc (5%) - [4gc]
Science (estimated): 7,115gc (4%) - [1/92gc]
Wizards: 4,180gc (2%) - [4gc]
War Horses: 4,068gc (2%) - [0.6gc]
Soldiers: 339gc (0%) - [1.5gc]
Money: 83gc (0%) - [1/1000gc]

Buildings: 1,072gc to build, 664gc to raze
Away bonus: 80,455gc (12h) / 241,365gc (20h)

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Science Intelligence on SageWay (##:##)
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Server: Genesis (Age 42)
Books to Allocate: 5 books

** Effects Summary (Known Science Only) **
14% Income (80,570 points)
10% Building Effectiveness (80,573 points)
6.5% Population Limits (80,573 points)
80.2% Food Production (80,570 points)
14% Gains in Combat (80,569 points)
60.1% Thievery Effectiveness (80,569 points)
60.1% Magic Effectiveness & Rune Production (80,569 points)

** Science Points in Progress **
Alchemy: 3,078 points in progress
Tools: 3,075 points in progress
Housing: 3,075 points in progress
Food: 3,078 points in progress
Military: 3,079 points in progress
Crime: 3,079 points in progress
Channeling: 3,079 points in progress

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Buildings Report of SageWay (##:##)
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Server: Genesis #19
Ruler Name: Lord Tatic
Personality: The Sage
Race: Human
Building Efficiency: 109.9%
Kingdom Stance: Normal

1. Homes: 437 (34.8%) + 65 in progress (+5.2%)
2. Farms: 58 (4.6%)
3. Training Grounds: 159 (12.7%) + 17 in progress (+1.4%)
4. Forts: 159 (12.7%) + 17 in progress (+1.4%)
5. Guilds: 109 (8.7%) + 16 in progress (+1.3%)
6. Towers: 36 (2.9%) + 2 in progress (+0.2%)
7. Stables: 113 (9%) + 12 in progress (+1%)
8. Dungeons: 22 (1.8%) + 32 in progress (+2.6%)

Total Land: 1,254 Acres (87.2% built)
In Progress: 161 Acres (12.8%)

** Effects Summary (Available Buildings Only) **
1. +3,496 maximum population, +99.81% birth rate
2. Produce 5,577 bushels (6,972 with FL)
3. +18.25% offense bonus
4. +18.25% defense bonus
5. Training about 2.4 wizards per hour
6. Produce 593 runes per hour
7. Produce 124 horses/hour, hold 6,780 horses
8. 440 prisoners (1,320 offense, 220gc, 220 jobs)

** Effects Summary (Including Future Buildings) **
1. +4,016 maximum population, +100% birth rate
3. +19.89% offense bonus
4. +19.89% defense bonus
5. Training about 2.75 wizards per hour
6. Produce 626 runes per hour
7. Produce 137 horses/hour, hold 7,500 horses
8. 1,080 prisoners (3,240 offense, 540gc, 540 jobs)

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Main goal right now is to get 915 knights trained. After I do that I will train 1880 soldiers into Archers. After that any and all other draft will be put into wizards and thieves. Should be looking at around 3rawwpa and 3rawtpa. I have other plans, however, for those plans you will have to wait and see. It will be clear come the next posting, maybe.
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300k food ? = why are your troops and pez so hungry ?
4.5% jail ? = are you plannig to house every criminal on earth and 8 other surrounding solar systems ?


i bet you're that Orc guy from last age swirve boards saying how his 40% homes was gonna dominate the game
didnt you end up with 4-500 acres after every war ?


its worse than obamas stimulus package

hmmm, you know, if vines swapped his defspecs and elites around, and got 1 more tpa, dropped 20% homes for 10% TD's and Hosps... he would have a half decent prov...

but its vines, so he wont =)

The reason my people consume so much food it is not that they are hungry. They are used to living in a paradise and have become spoiled. They live well beyond what they need and know not of the hardships that lay outside the SageWay boarders.

Nope but the plan is to be able to send a 100% elite army with each knight mounted and the maximum amount of mercenaries. Most attacks I will not need to send any mercenaries, however, when my jails get filled I will start sending the amount of pensioner that I will recapture from the opponent that I am attacking.

As for that guy talking about orc with 40%. He must be trying to learn from me. This human sage example will no doubt help him out. Me? On average I get 1000acres from war. In the first war less in the late wars much much more.

i joined genesis late, screwed around the whole time and invested ZERO effort. i thought my prov looks like ****, but after seeing this prov i realized how awesome my prov is compare to this

i will throw in my sos and survey just to show how UNREADY my prov is. buildings are half converted, and conversion will resume as soon as i feel like it


Ruler Name: The Wise Viscount
Personality & Race: The Sage, Human
Land: 3,101 Acres
Money: 666,173gc (98,296gc daily income)
Food: 168,847 bushels
Runes: 40,465 runes
Population: 88,358 citizens (28.49 per Acre)
Peasants: 26,377 (85% Building Efficiency)
Trade Balance: -225,454gc (0% tax rate)

ME+Stance (no spells): 153.23% off. / 129.9% def.
Soldiers: 173 (64.3% estimated draft rate)
Swordsmen: 0
Archers: 24,589 (191,650 defense)
Knights: 22,728 (208,950 offense / 88,573 defense)
War-Horses: 15,633 (up to 23,954 additional offense)
Prisoners: 460 (2,115 offense)

Total Modified Offense: 235,284 (75.87 per Acre)
Practical (100% elites): 235,284 (75.87 per Acre)
Total Modified Defense: 280,448 (90.44 per Acre)
Practical (0% elites): 191,875 (61.88 per Acre)

Thieves: 9,342 (3.01 per Acre / 43% Stealth)
Wizards: 5,149 (1.66 per Acre / 56% Mana)


1. Homes: 152 (4.9%)
2. Farms: 131 (4.2%)
3. Banks: 240 (7.7%)
4. Training Grounds: 484 (15.6%)
5. Forts: 421 (13.6%)
6. Hospitals: 100 (3.2%)
7. Guilds: 929 (30%) <----- look here before commenting on low hosp or something
8. Towers: 4 (0.1%)
9. Thieves' Dens: 344 (11.1%)
10. Stables: 268 (8.6%)
11. Dungeons: 23 (0.7%)

** Effects Summary (Known Science Only) **
15.3% Income (237,277 points)
9.6% Building Effectiveness (182,324 points)
7.6% Population Limits (271,958 points)
45.2% Food Production (63,435 points)
0.7% Gains in Combat (542 points)
56.4% Thievery Effectiveness (175,359 points)
45.9% Magic Effectiveness & Rune Production (115,895 points)

** Science Points in Progress **
Alchemy: 66,177 points in progress
Tools: 4,394 points in progress
Military: 12,481 points in progress

You're going to need around 6%-7% farms.
With 4.6% SageWay is making around 300-400 bushels per day.
So I know your province is losing lots of food each day. You are going to need to hurry up and build more farms other wises your people will start dying of hunger.

You sciences are not bad. Not at all. If I was your size I would have around the same amount of books. The only difference is that I have my books evenly spread out among the different sciences so I get more out of each book.

Also you're in a pumping building so your BE will go down even more. That's not good because your BE is already 85%. Which science BE is around 95%. Also because you are pumping wizards your BE will go down to 80% of lower.

Also because of the new wizards you will be gaining your daily income will be greatly lowered.

However I don't know how you think this is province is stronger than sage way. My province's people acres is more than yours. My province's ME is higher than your. And my BE is higher, in other words stronger econ.

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Originally Posted by vines

Nope but the plan is to be able to send a 100% elite army with each knight mounted and the maximum amount of mercenaries. Most attacks I will not need to send any mercenaries, however, when my jails get filled I will start sending the amount of pensioner that I will recapture from the opponent that I am attacking.

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that doesnt explain to me why you are running a nearly 2:1 defense:offense ratio

and there is no way in hell you can fill 4.5% dungeons... not unless you plan on never sending prisoners out...

Quote:

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Originally Posted by vines

You're going to need around 6%-7% farms.
With 4.6% SageWay is making around 300-400 bushels per day.
So I know your province is losing lots of food each day. You are going to need to hurry up and build more farms other wises your people will start dying of hunger.

You sciences are not bad. Not at all. If I was your size I would have around the same amount of books. The only difference is that I have my books evenly spread out among the different sciences so I get more out of each book.

Also you're in a pumping building so your BE will go down even more. That's not good because your BE is already 85%. Which science BE is around 95%. Also because you are pumping wizards your BE will go down to 80% of lower.

Also because of the new wizards you will be gaining your daily income will be greatly lowered.

However I don't know how you think this is province is stronger than sage way. My province's people acres is more than yours. My province's ME is higher than your. And my BE is higher, in other words stronger econ.

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there is the totally awesome op called "rob the graneries"

spreading books evenly is a bad idea...
you will find 100 books/acre in BE or pop WAY more benefitial than 100 book/acre in food

his offensive ME is actually higher than yours...
BE is overrated... as long as its >85% you are fine
training wizzies wont lower it THAT much.... and by that logic you should release all your wizzies cause it lowers income
and higher BE =/= stronger econ
i could show you a prov with 100% BE, and a god awful econ =)

(and yes, ive sunk to arguing with vines)

I was going to say that it looked great but oh dear it's on gen YR7.....

I do not plan on using my prisoners. Of course if I need them I will send them out. However, it will be rare that I will need to use them. In two or three attacks one can fill 4.5% jails.

His off ME is higher, however, his ME is lower meaning off ME and def ME. And if I wanted I could ditch some other buildings to get a higher offME but that's dumb. Depending on how many wizards he gains. If he gain .4-.5 wpa worth of wizards it's going to lower his income by a lot.

Thing you said about the science. 100books in food science and 100 books in tool or pop science will give one more benefits verses 200 books in tool or housing.

BE is not over rated. It makes one's province stronger without adding networth. Now telling me how getting more power for the same networth is over rated? Yeah that's what I thought. Just stop talking sh*t greenie.

actually you're not getting more power... sure you can argue for the same troops you are getting more power at 100% BE but then the province who has a BE of 85% but runs a draft of well over 75% will actually have more power than you with 100% be and 55% - 60% draft

My elf shepherd has a reasonable econ, pretty decent off and reasonable def when the elites are out with excellent defense when they are home... My sciences are not uber pumped with a little under 100 BPA in what I call the main categories (tools, income, pop, war)...

Sure it does. There is a reason why my ME is higher then that viscount's ME that reason is because of my BE. BE allow one's buildings to be more effective. That means I do not need as many farms, my guilds make more wizards, my forts and tgs give more ME, my towers give me more runes, and I have a +100% birthrate (maxed out) which is due to my BE.

And that is why you are 1250 or so acres and I am just under 3KA after trading over 16KA in combat cos you're stronger.... puhleeze... gimme a break

MY ME is at (right now in gen) 100% for raw - yeah only paying them 100% payrate at this time as I am bumping draft and training more elites...

121% offense mods with my 12.5% training grounds and we are in a fortified stance if that matters...

78% BE


Population: 26.42 per Acre

76% non peasants and going to break 80 or more soon when I finish drafting up my military. WPA and TPA are an ongoing thing as always for growing attackers, but more important to me is raising my offense/defense strength hence the additional elites being trained...

Total Modified Offense: (58.08 per Acre)
Total Modified Defense: (76.96 per Acre)

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Originally Posted by vines

Sure it does. There is a reason why my ME is higher then that viscount's ME that reason is because of my BE. BE allow one's buildings to be more effective. That means I do not need as many farms, my guilds make more wizards, my forts and tgs give more ME, my towers give me more runes, and I have a +100% birthrate (maxed out) which is due to my BE.

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Doesn't that make a dwarf with 50% homes the best strategy?

oh vines. you rock!

keep posting awesome strats!

my human is by no means awesome. as i said i joined late and invested zero effort. just look at my sci and u'll see how ****ty it is

but there is a difference between a practical prov and one that attempts to look shiny on cb and fails