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Your in line for farmout acres flogger. And how did we poop on every kd that gave us cf? Did we deal break? No. We did not. Did we do anything against the rules? Again no. Did we out play pyro using anything we could? Yes. And for the record we were resetting not defecting. That is why we haven't hit or oped. Then when we got the message from the monarch of the kd that hit into war I decided let's do it this way.
This was my decision and my decision alone. Everyone else went along with it.
June 23 of YR10
Real Date Sun, 26 Jul at 16:09 GMT+00:00
Sender The Conniving King Death of Death Valley 101 (x:x)
Recipient The Wise Lady dumdum of dorkus maximus (x:x)
Subject Attack into your War
The person that attacked you(Deadpool) has left a message to everyone that he is moving on to better places. I will give you 1 guess on where he is headed.
Pyromaniacs
I am hoping he did what he did on his on and not on orders from his new Leadership. I think that would go down in the books as a serious violation of the general rules of an Honorable War, if there is such a thing in Utopia anymore. You know, "Outside interference" and all of that.
I will swear to you that it has nothing to do with this Kingdom. We are not involved in anything like that and don't want to be. BUT, having said that, We would be happy to do whatever we can to fix this issue that was caused by one of our Kingdom Mates. He was a player with good standing and always played with honor, up until now. So you do what you need to on your end and I will await any communications you wish to send to me.
That was a pretty damaging plunder on a 2800a province with 700k gc.
Hehe, it was crucial. We had a super secret strategy that hinged on those resources!! Foiled again.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Didn't you dealbreak and organize a bangbang because a 10k+ acre province lost 300 acres?Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
I recall something along the lines of it being about the principle...
I would imagine it to be prudent to take more than 5 minutes from receiving a message (dated the 23rd) from some random ghetto to defecting (also done on he 23rd), maybe like make a forum thread about it... could call it "Q for pyro...."Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Do you know what ironic means? It appears you don't. BB made a huge issue about how BB has never done anything wrong to anyone in recent ages and no ex-BB players have ever been involved in any FSU. They then deal broke and gb'd the #1 kingdom into a war just for advising a province to get a cf with BB and to threaten to raze if Bb wouldn't cf. The irony in this all is that ex-BB members did FSU on Emeriti the age before when Emeriti was #1 and had their cf with BB ending soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Now you're catching on! You're right, there was no difference between Emeriti's "crime" and BB's "crime." The only difference was in the punishments and the hypocrisy of BB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Your response has nothing to do with my comment, but sure, let's talk about it. Realest announced that Sonata was back and most Sonata leaders were playing in a new kingdom along with Elit. At Cheese's request, I had previously agreed to gb Sonata if they were back for their previous deal break and gb on us (and Cheese for their betrayal of their allies.) I hesitated in fulfilling this commitment though because Elit said it was a different kingdom since he was there now. Then one of the Sonata leaders hacked two accounts in Rage and got them deleted which was confirmed by Bishop. You can call hacking and deleting provinces an ingame action if that suits you. Elit insisted that they were not Sonata and so I said he should kick out the Sonata members who were involved with hacking our accounts then. He refused. You can continue to bring this up in unrelated conversations every chance you get but I have nothing to hide there and I have no issue with posting the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Right, and Emeriti were sages while BB were clerics. BB knew they had no chance endgame even if they somehow managed to beat Emeriti when BB was mad fat after doubling their size with their ww and mass explore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
It was 27k acres gained with much land transferred off Emeriti cows and onto their core. It was BB who gained 40 something k around this time in your farm war. I see how you could easily confuse Emeriti gaining 27k when your former members messed up their FSU with BB gaining 40 something k in their second farm war of the age. But sure, keep trying to change the numbers and make up crap since some people might actually believe you now that umunk no longer has the data stored from last age.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Emeriti did welcome the challenge this age. It's too bad you wouldn't just cf Bour when he first asked or at least when he was offering you all 380 acres back plus extra for cf. Then you could have fought Emeriti instead of trying to milk a little drama for all it was worth to the point of deal breaking and waving into war over it despite having already got 3x the land you lost back in a deal and being offered even more from Emeriti too. You didn't dare fight them 1v1 again after farming out 68k acres last age when you were 10% bigger and noticed them. But you showed Emeriti this age that it doesn't matter if they have the strongest kingdom when you have the strongest alliance. It seems you've also shown that to some other kingdoms after Emeriti as well. Grats.
How'd did you welcome the challenge this age? When you asked us for yr10 CF the first week of the age or when ya chose again to go to the easy route and fight pyro instead of us YR4?
So, chrystal's evidence is, he got a message from a ghetto monarch, who he does not know. Then with no investigation he defects three of his cows to OOW raze.....
I am still waiting for chrystal to produce something logical.....
ummmm check our news? There has been no new province that has joined us in the last 48 hrs at least...... January is when I see someone take over a province....
You really did not even bother to do a SN to at least attempt verification? Are you that reckless?
You mean when a FSU kingdom with ex-bb players in it razed Emeriti's cows while they were sitting on low defense and then they got outplayed by Emeriti 1v1?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
You mean being bigger than the rest of the server with bigger cows as dw/sages and about to farmout fPyro (again)? Yeah, that looks like a kingdom that had no chanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Korp
That age, Emeriti had 7 TMs while BB had 2. If you wanna judge the result of that ~52h war where the loser got a wd wave and still ended up with less acres than Emeriti, then I'm afraid I can't do anything for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
No, you would have cried to the whole server and organized a gangbang on Emeriti if that happend to you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Also, what was the summary between Emeriti and BB last age?
So you saying pyro can't gain acres in war with 2 cows and a core prov defecting? You are saying you had 100% solid proof before you gb emeriti? You saying we db? What exactly are you saying? That we shouldn't have defected and farmed out to your ally? Please flogger explain how feyr play works so next time we can stick to the guidelines.
Fixed it for you,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
Gets farmout from Chystal: brags about winning.... so impressive, such skillz.
u can only raze into kds wars if their own kd council thinks they're lame and gives u council logs for proof, duh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
Oh, good point. The monarch himself had no proof, he was guessing where that province would go to. Again, SN us, no one has joined since January. I am not aware of any incomming recruits. That in itself does not say much because, as I said, I can't stand trying to follow the rambling whatsapp conversation that seems to be our main communication now, but I don't think we are expecting anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
So now, I am waiting for our forum logs and I am waiting for chat boxes..... Chrystal, produce something that tells me you are logical please.
The player pool is so small by now so most players played in most places. But I find it funny coming from a ex Emeriti member razing BB. :) "Outplayed" Must been hard to outplay such a kingdom, wow much skills.Quote:
You mean when a FSU kingdom with ex-bb players in it razed Emeriti's cows while they were sitting on low defense and then they got outplayed by Emeriti 1v1?
Early game still doesnt mean ****, end game matters. :) Neither did i mention didnt have a chance. Just saying that you hype up Emeriti too much :)Quote:
You mean being bigger than the rest of the server with bigger cows as dw/sages and about to farmout fPyro (again)? Yeah, that looks like a kingdom that had no chance
I wasnt hte one throwing around "Owning" "farming" "outplaying" It was you and ASF, now you make up excuses for Emeriti not doing the things you claimed? Maybe you should yap less and think more next time?Quote:
That age, Emeriti had 7 TMs while BB had 2. If you wanna judge the result of that ~52h war where the loser got a wd wave and still ended up with less acres than Emeriti, then I'm afraid I can't do anything for you.
Oh I see. So then pyro doubling up on ED was allowed. I mean the way i see it its still one kingdom hitting pyro. There hasn't been more provs added. Maybe nesta should have responded to me telling him I would give him acres back because I felt bad. Maybe pyro shouldn't be cheaters and not be able to have the benefit of the doubt.
From the same old thread right after it was posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Yes, you managed to withdraw early before completely farming out by staying up all war. When you wd, you had no chance at all to win and staying in war any longer would have resulted in farming for Emeriti. Emeriti still got a great redistribution of their land towards their top half and the war positioned them to stay in a strong #2 position with no further wars until late age. Of course Pyro got an epic farming from Shinra to put them solidly in #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
so to confirm, losing 1k acres and you gaining 1k acres in a war longer than min-time (I think it was like 3-4days) was us getting "Farmed" and "owned"
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Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
Wait, now this is nesta's fault for not responding to an offer to give us back acres? How does that make sense?
Chrystal, evidence.... focus man. FOCUS.
Of course a sage kd would take a YR10 cf with a cleric kingdom if agreed. Emeriti was ready and planning to fight you after your post war, but it was you who decided against that and decided you instead needed to "kill" the #1 prov and make a bunch of drama rather than just take back the 380acres + free land from him and give him a cf.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Why would Emeriti warring your ally in YR3 stop them from warring you after in YR4? You could have sat stocking gc and pumping sci the whole time then fought Emeriti after their Pyro war before they could fully restock. Obviously it was BB that didn't want that so instead chose to deal break and wave Emeriti into their war.
I dont think you should talk about drama ASF, Mister "You must kick out all the sonata players in your kd!!!!11!!" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
actually not of course a sage kd that's #1 should take a yr10 CF with the #2 kd when everyone 3 and lower is half our size. That means both of us just spend the rest of the age relentlessly bottom feeding the rest of the server for 10 weeks trying to out-do eachother. that's why everyone hated abs, because you'd do that instead of fight eachother.
Of course we needed to kill the #1 province, he hit in our end of war.
It was around 52h long.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
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So when we include the LLs, thats -2700a for BB and 2000a for Emeriti in an early war where you WD before the farming could happen. That's owning.Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
Now, about the farming, did you find the summary of last age's fight?
I don't think you understand how alliances work...Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Does this mean BB has owned Emeriti all ages but 1 when they consistetently has charted higher than Emeriti? You have a very vague definitiion of "Owning"Quote:
Originally Posted by DoOrDie
I assume you can use the search functions as well if you are so keen to find the war summary. Dont be so lazy.
The war went about 8h past min time. Your kingdom was trashed by that point (due to out 7 t/m's vs your 2.) When you approached me for a cf before you wd, my main hope was that you'd war a bit longer. We put good land on our provinces where it counted including our thief mages and calves while having others chained to be able to easily random back. After the war, had we b2b'd you instead of being so generous, you'd have stood no chance at all and probably only been in war range if we nw dropped. You lost decisively in a fight your kingdom chose. Last age you noticed Emeriti when you were 10% bigger and Emeriti gained 68k acres. Keep trying to claim you weren't farmed or owned.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Also keep bringing up how Emeriti wound up gaining 27k acres from the ex-BB player FSU kingdom that hit down their cows and refused to give back 60% of the land for an eoa cf. Keep ignoring that you had 2 consecutive farm wars of your own around that time. In one you also gained ~27k acres and in the other you gained 40 something k. Once again, you were 10% bigger than Emeriti and Emeriti's cows had been beat down when you noticed Emeriti and wound up getting farmed by them.
The way I view (and its the only view that matters) I served notice to pyros mouth piece in yr 5. He responded with a you tube video saying I have nothing to threaten with. So as soon as they put up cows that would be in our range we decided to hit since we were already trained up for wsk. So first mistake was putting cows up when a fsu kd was right there with a notice served. And i repeat a notice that wasn't even needed. So you you didmt take my notice seriously. That's not my problem. Sonwe took what 3-4k acres and waited for some diplo action. We were even ready to give those acres back. Hey we just wanted to prove a point. No diplo happened. Sobour next option was to sit around and do nothing or start razing. I was all for the razing. Again my decision.
Next we had every intention of resetting our provs. I had things set up and everyone was ready. We got plundered and got a mail from the plundering kd which i posted. So given how pyro likes to play and cheat we didn't even give them the benefit of the doubt. Now we don't need anyondo permission on anything we do. Bottom line is even if we get gb and get razed you still lost and out played to a ghetto of 15 provs even though you got the WW. We didn't db anyone. We didn't cheat. We just made the best play that was at hand.
Also ASF I played 1 age in CR. 3 ages in pewpew 5-6 ages in vnv. I started the kd and make most of the decisions of everyday life. So how does that make us an ex BB kd? I think I trash talked flogger during the whole gb crap of emeriti because I felt bad for you. Well for your core. Now we are razing an ally of BB. So your remarks are unfounded. I dislike you both equally.
http://i.imgur.com/ymipMgN.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by flogger
http://i.imgur.com/ymipMgN.jpg
Flogger gets 40k acres from Divinity (13k more than Emeriti VS CP), thinks he's gonna farm Emerit and brags on the forum.
Ended up being farmed.
Korp, argue what you want but Emeriti and BB have had 2 wars. Emeriti won both very decisively. They are up about 75k total acres in those two wars vs BB.
How about you now stop derailing this thread and we get back to the topic of how Pyro had a guy plunder Crystal from outside the fight before he left his kingdom to join Pyro?
Still didnt manage to chart better than BB more than once. I guess thats what losers does, pick on details rather than whats worth something. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
OH and talk about derailing
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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
HELLO HYPOCRITE, but I guess its only "derailing" when it gets uncomfortable to you.:D Such a loser.
Crystal,
Flogger and Korp and others keep bringing up the 27k acres Emeriti gained from the failed FSU on them. As you have stated, your kingdom has more ex-BB than from any other kd (including your monarch.) You have a founding kd policy to never hit BB or CR but you had no issue with FSU on other top kds.
While Emeriti gained 27k acres from you (at the cost of their cows), BB gained 40 something k from their own war around that time. They also gained 20 something k from a farm war they had right before that. BB was 10% bigger than Emeriti when Flogger noticed Emeriti. Flogger constantly whining about Emeriti gaining 27k acres from the failed FSU on them is as dumb as if Emeriti was to whine about BB getting 3x the razed land back from Bour in their deal.
Please understand that I'm not insulting or complaining about your kingdom. I am simply pointing out how ridiculous the whining by Flogger and Korp on the topic is.
Another post to derail this thread even further, bit cheeky arent you. Asking someone else stop derailing a thread and get back on topic then go even more off topic the next post. This is what we call a hypocrite.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Emeriti was formed during the age 3 ages ago after starting with ~12 players. We finished the age #3 land and #2 nw but this was by no means a full age for us. We were in the bottom 15% of kingdoms size wise two weeks into the age before we decided to grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
The next age we beat BB in an early war but failed to secure any other wars that we needed before fighting Pyro since everyone viewed us as too strong after that since we had great province positioning due to our BB war. We lost to Pyro over Christmas in a war that was unwinnable going in. BB secured farm wars with weak kingdoms to pass us in ranks by eoa after Pyro beat us.
Last age BB was 10% bigger than us after their two consecutive farm wars when they noticed Emeriti. They got farmed for 68k acres and Emeriti crowned.
This age, Emeriti was #1 before any drama. Later they were farming the #3 kd Pyro and BB deal broke them and waved into the war. BB will finish higher than Emeriti on the charts. I'm not denying that BB will beat Emeriti on the charts due to deal breaking and gb'ing them. I'm congratulating them for it. I'm also saying that they went that direction because the 1v1 warring against Emeriti was not working out for them as shown in the last two ages.
As for derailing, you might be right that I did derail some earlier, but the posts you quoted were related to the discussion in the thread including the worry by Crystal that they could get gb'd for waving Pyro and the posts saying how Crystal's kingdom has more ex-BB members than from anywhere else. Still you have a point. I am not uncomfortable though with where the thread has gone. I just think that Pyro's latest **** play shouldn't be overlooked and flooded away with spam.
Nobody, meaning me, noted the number of spin off kingdoms that appeared in recent ages. Some worked out, others haven't. Like 70's tv.
The biggest disappointment are the poor kingdom name choices. Makes me want to start a kingdom that crushes bad theme. ;-)
Next age is gonna be really odd.
Dont derail the thread please. ¨Quote:
Emeriti was formed during the age 3 ages ago after starting with ~12 players. We finished the age #3 land and #2 nw but this was by no means a full age for us. We were in the bottom 15% of kingdoms size wise two weeks into the age before we decided to grow.
Dont derail the thread please, especially after you ask someone else to stop derailing it.Quote:
The next age we beat BB in an early war but failed to secure any other wars that we needed before fighting Pyro since everyone viewed us as too strong after that since we had great province positioning due to our BB war. We lost to Pyro over Christmas in a war that was unwinnable going in. BB secured farm wars with weak kingdoms to pass us in ranks by eoa after Pyro beat us.
Dont derail the thread please and for the love of god, stop repeating yourself.Quote:
Last age BB was 10% bigger than us after their two consecutive farm wars when they noticed Emeriti. They got farmed for 68k acres and Emeriti crowned.
No, there werent at all related to the topic at hand. If you want to learn the topic, you could check the topic and first post. This thread was about "Where is Pyro" as stated in the first post. Neither of your posts were about that.Quote:
As for derailing, you might be right that I did derail some earlier, but the posts you quoted were related to the discussion in the thread including the worry by Crystal that they could get gb'd for waving Pyro and the posts saying how Crystal's kingdom has more ex-BB members than from anywhere else. Still you have a point. I am not uncomfortable though with where the thread has gone. I just think that Pyro's latest **** play shouldn't be overlooked and flooded away with spam.
"I just think that Pyro's latest **** play shouldn't be overlooked and flooded away with spam." <- Then stop derailing the thread.
Obviously uncomfortable since you ignored every jab i threw at you about you being so upset that you demanded people quit playing Utopia. I guess its shamefull for you to get that angry over a game on the internet.
You did not outplay anyone, you did not win anything. All you did was plan to reset, aka give up in an effort to screw someone with a game mechanic. Outplay is to win and gain some advantage at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
No one was complaining about the wave. None of us cared.
You are trying to get attention and no one cares beyond that you are behaving like an irrational child and people want to give YOU the benefit of the doubt and assume there is some rationality to your actions. By our own admission there is not. OK, fine. Move along then chrystal. I think everyone knows how to deal with you from now on. Pretty simple.
More raving. You spent 20 posts beeing obnoxious and talking how you gona get gb'ed before anything even happened. Than when nothing happened and you got declared mysterious *plunder* on a core province with no resources happened and you do what you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
Only a fool or someone with agenda would back up your bs story.
Korp, you say to "stop derailing the thread" 4 times in one post while also saying "stop repeating yourself." I replied to your jab about people quitting. Did you miss it?
So, who was the player that plundered Crystal's kd from outside the fight and then left to join Pyro?