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Weird, and I thought this whole thing was about not being able fight someone without having someone 1/3 of our size robbing us at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
The point of course being is its annoying, so we wished it would stop and it didn't.
If you can make a reasonable argument as to why you support 1 on 1 play and also support a kingdom to be able to op without ever stopping a kingdom 3 times your size without anything they can do to retaliate, I'd like to hear it. You either want kingdoms to fight 1 on 1 people your own size or you don't.
It wasn't stopping from asking, and it might not stop from this, but we tried asking for four months. Maybe hitting for 4 months will do the trick.
My understanding is they robbed from you in hostile and did it a lot etc for a period of time (though if I recall from the postings it was not four months, but I was not involved so maybe it was.)
beat on them all you want in hostiles and so on. but RKing them in war crosses a line. Were they stealing from BiO or RKing BiO while BiO was in war?
If you ask for it to stop for four months and it doesn't what is your proposed method of dealing with it, keep asking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
We want to have fun with kingdoms our own size and their actions prevent that.
They want to have fun wars with kingdoms their own size, our only way of preventing that is preventing that from having fun in war.
Note that if the situations were reversed and the kingdom 3x the size of the smaller kingdom had the advantage in opping them and not stopping, 95% of the server would be screaming bloody murder and the rules would be changed.
So again I ask, If you believe in 1 on 1 play, presumably you think that 1 on 1 play should be between kingdoms of a similar size. So how can someone believe in 1 on 1 play and also believe that kingdoms 3x smaller or larger should be able to do whatever they want vs a kingdom so far out of their range and never stop?
when you RK into a war, you cross a line.
the second point you raise has little to do with that.
whatever they want? hardly. You just were not creative enough or willing to sacrifice last age to do what you needed to. You made a decision to stick with your other plans and let cats go. Don't come crying to me because you did not want to slow your growth to deal with cats last age. You could have serially PK'd each of them last age in hostile since no one could declare. You just did not want to take the time to do it. Now you are using that as an excuse to be petty this age.
again, RK into war crosses a line to me. I find that conduct unacceptable (not that anyone in BiO cares or even knows who I am).
Opping me for 3 months without stopping crosses a line to me. Asking them to stop didn't stop it. This probably won't either, but ruin my kingdommates fun with your actions and I'll ruin your kingdommates fun. And yes, I fully believe that if you're unreasonable with me I'll be 10x as unreasonable to you back.
Meh... just raze us back next time :)
Its not really about that though. if the smaller kds had to sit on low drafts and high amounts of gc piled it would get stolen though? Ghetto cats are just being a rogue kd and does what they want, cause they are having fun. And now you're giving them exactly what they want, drama and fun. Do you really think they care about charts. I personally sincerly doubt they dont give rats about WW chart as its quite the joke.
Imo you're just giving them all the more reason to take your gold in the future and ghetto cats has this age effectivly locked down entire anti abs(this ofc is a huge problem in itself and is the result of the imbalance of the value of cold hard cash/sci)
Telling them to not take your gold in a rude manner only gives them all the more reason to take it. I think the smartest thing you could have done from a diplomatic standpoint is to just be polite and make sure they know when you're going into hostilities and not to steal the gc.
Looks to me that abs who is ignoring the cat are far better off then anti abs?
Kinda funny though, should just have saved face and GBed from the start^^ Would love to see some announcements of what each side is trying to achive with this.
If I were involved I would, but as I am not, I probably won't. But this does certainly change my opinion and outlook towards BiO....
An eye for An Eye makes the world go Blind.
Diplomacy didn't work. I've asked them on 2 occasions this age to stop stealing our gc, that we had noticed KD's. I was very polite, to the point I even said "When we aren't hostile, or going into hostile, then by all means, steal all you want"... I got the generic "All top 20 KD's want cf's, if we cf you, we have to cf them". And when we weren't hostile, they stole, and I never said a word. Just told our players to up tpa and don't sit on gc.Quote:
Originally Posted by hanness
The bottom line is... until the developers stop letting the small kd's bully the big kd's, there are going to be ghettos who spend their entire age ruining the top KD's. Raze killing them won't help, I fear. And in truth, they may well bring this game to a level that we haven't seen in years. Next age, instead of 10 fighting for nw, you'll have 2 KD's fighting for nw, all the rest will be in FSU mode, as BiO does better than any KD I know. Last age, you honestly expected BiO to give up a chance to crown just to take out a few pests? Then you have never aimed for the top.
I have said, since the start of this age, The Developers set out with a msg of "The big KD's can't bully the small, but its perfectly alright for the small kd's to bully the big ones while the bigs hands are tied behind their backs".
If you want to stay small, I'm all for it. The 10 mil KD's have a helluva lot more fun that the top 10 KD's have. But pick on someone your own size, someone who the game doesn't handicap from fighting back. You want 1 on 1, I want 1 on 1 same size fights. Let the top fight the top, you fight KD's your own size. You want to fight the top 10 KD's, then you grow to size and fight them on level ground. Don't hide behind a relative NW that protects you from getting the ass kicking you so rightly deserve.
They're having fun and ruining the fun of my kingdommates.Quote:
Originally Posted by hanness
I suppose I'm banking on the fact that they enjoy warring, and threatening to take that fun away. If all they like to do is mess with people then yes, it will be hard to defeat them.
Regarding abs - abs and I were in talks to do this last age and they decided it best to copy my logs and post them so that they'd CF them and focus on us, so here we are.
I want to have kygals babies +1Quote:
Originally Posted by KyGal
idk, i think vulturing up should be possible just as vulturing down. Just like how it is now. I can farm gold from tiny kds when i've been chained heavily without problem. If you remove the ability to bully kds out of your range, then you remove the ability to random/rob kds between wars and i dont think its in the best interest of the game to turn this into farmville.
At the lower tiers, having huge piles is rarely an issue going into wars since they swiftly gets randomed away and most of the time both kds going into war are fairly broke. I think a system where amount of gold piled wins more wars then actual strategy is a bad system that needs to be fixed, this is what allows smaller kds to bully and change the outcome of fights by stealing one sides gc.
I apologize for my comment of me implying you hadn't tried diplomacy, it was insensitive and ignorant of me. As I have no idea what has happend on either side. All i know is there's some good people in ghetto cats and i sincerly doubt they'd intentionally mess with peoples hostiles without good reason.