Suicide Squad VS FReakstyle

Our previous Monarch of Outsiders (before we disbanded) is no longer around. Weather or not Iampost is even able to get logs from Apocolypse, I am unsure.

Logs or no logs, our kingdom knows what went down... and we do not forget. We are asking nobody to defend what happened. We did not come to the forums to whine about it. FS is FS... this is what they, and many others do. Hitting down, into an active hostile is actually a safe bet... and they played those cards.

We HAD either an EOA CF with FS, or a year 12 (I am unsure of specifics). I believe we also have a current "un-term'ed" CF with them due to their orginal DB, and us calling in an ally to stop the sh1tplay.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

I actually agree with you that Iampost should try to show evidence instead of just saying you deal broke.

But here is my problem. If you haven't changed a whole lot very recently I know that you keep pretty tight records. So are you saying you never dealt at all with that kingdom? are you saying you forgot? Or are you saying if he can't show it, it doesn't count?
If you did in fact wave into an active hostile I am fairly certain you know. If there was a deal, I am fairly certain you know.

Had you said there was no deal and no deal break and no hitting into hostile when it first came up, I would have taken your word for it. I can't speak for everyone but like always I give people the benefit of the doubt. It's not so easy now after you deliberately ignored it, then refused an answer and now you act like you don't know.

The reason I am pointing this out is because I don't think you are a bad person. I think you are a good person that got himself into a pickle by trying hard to be a harda$$, a stern, uncompromising person that expects to get his way at all cost.

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The burden of proof is on the accusers. I think Sampuan's point is that there was no deal to cause a deal break and there was not a wave into hostile either. Simple messages and showing of paper would clear this up quickly. If the evidence exists, it should be presented. It's not even hard. Copy/Paste. If you're going to accuse and someone asks you for proof, is it too much to ask for you to give it? Papers, in-game messages, etc aren't sensitive, so what's the issue with sharing them? Bring forth the evidence or stfo. If you don't have the logs because your old monarch is gone, then that's too bad for you. After your monarch is gone, it's your job to gather info on your cfs and such by getting the logs from the pertinent monarchs so you are sure where you stand. I'm pretty sure FS would know more about what the deal was than you in this case, and would have shared the logs with you had you asked. They still could provide them if you weren't so standoffish.

oh wow...35 pages of drama...better then any soap opera :)

I believe Iampost is actually our previous monarch. So if he wants to fight this battle and provide logs, thats up to him.

We are no longer Outsiders, but some of us still hold personal grudges, and we need not explain that.

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Originally Posted by ThRaZe

I believe Iampost is actually our previous monarch. So if he wants to fight this battle and provide logs, thats up to him.

We are no longer Outsiders, but some of us still hold personal grudges, and we need not explain that.

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Making vague accusations that the accused cannot defend himself against is also a form of bullying. You did not bring it up, but Iampost did. You agreed with Iampost but neither of you have given and details that Francis could acknowledge or deny. Maybe your ally could help out with verification or the kingdom you had the hostile with

Can you tards work things out as I was hoping to log into Clash this week ? I'm aware you all are a bit weird but I'd like to play a game from this millennium. =]

Edit: Or someone fill me in on this horse****. No idea what y'all are up to.

As I said, I am no longer part of Outsiders... or in any leadership position. Nor did I have anything to do with the calling in of allies. This matter needs to be taken up with Iampost if you require more concrete evidence.

I do agree with Iampost's statements... but thats as far as I go. Like i said, I'm not here asking for anything, I am just verbally backing Iampost's statements. This is his fight, his reputation... and the reputation of the accused. I'm just a player, that posts from time to time, that was in the KD when Iampost's claims happened. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally Posted by markers

We don't want it

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Then I take it and present to protector. Thank u. Also, we need more kills. The honor for both kingdoms still kinda high. I just loved the finale. Btw, FS, heard u can't wait to declare on me? Come on, I waiting. Knn pcb bo lampa FS

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Originally Posted by Feint

Then I take it and present to protector. Thank u. Also, we need more kills. The honor for both kingdoms still kinda high. I just loved the finale. Btw, FS, heard u can't wait to declare on me? Come on, I waiting. Knn pcb bo lampa FS

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You used to be relevant, now your just a nuisance ... how sad is that?

is the GB open for everyone? at least to reduce my boredom waiting EoA. :D

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Originally Posted by NighT

I received a PM asking if "I was looking to get back at these guys". I was given the headsup on SS wanting to declare.

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Originally Posted by markers

Except ss did not ask anyone to deal break and start a gb, we were happy to war 1v1

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Markers was happy to war FS 1v1. But then who sent Night the PM? Maybe Goodwitch did.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

I (Lost Souls) was accused by Francis of organizing a gb. I did send messages to some kingdoms. I asked them to go to the forum and vote and voice their opinions.
I also mentioned we could start a taskforce to represent the smaller kingdoms interests for NEXT age.

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if she did, how she came to know SS was going to declare beats me. FS got waved by ruthless ticks before declaration. Are ppl that stupid to disregard this as an unorganized GB?

And... a taskforce? led by who? Goodwitch and Night?

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Originally Posted by NighT

Yes, I would have dealbroken that deal regardless. If you want to make a deal with me, great, but then dont hold a gun to my head. Mind you that we've been a very honourable kingdom all age(s).

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A deal is a deal. regardless of whether or not you have a gun to your head. You're not happy, dont agree. at least you can go down with some dignity. You can always payback next age.

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Originally Posted by NighT

So when SS, our ally, got fed on by FS it wasnt alright for me to dealbreak? Awesome, I love double standards.

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So, are you guys allies or not? and we know who's allegedly in FS's side. Its mentioned every other page. with updates. will the person doing the updates care to not be biased and list down the KDs against FS too?

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Originally Posted by Meezeus

Least deserving? Just because SS "lost" a war win to you you get to make these kinds of statements? Well SS has finally rid themselves of CJ and terribad crew so dance with them again next age and try not to mince your words then bro.

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lol. i love it when people attempt to play down my crew and myself.

my crew who followed me and I have fought much tougher 25 vs 25 man wars, where there's most probably better strategical planning, better coordination and better leadership. and we have fought kingdoms at the top of the whoring tier and warring tier and won most of them.

i sat sitting after ~28hrs in war when the noobs markers and copious were declaring that they could run much better waves with better strategical decisions and chaining than me. of course i laughed and decided to let them prove their point. at start of hostile, SS were 140k nw behind Ascension and about ~10% troops behind.. when i decided to set sitting (after micro-ing the first 3 full waves).. SS were 170k NW ahead (both sides made the same amount of waves).. we all knew what happened after that.

i'm sure ascension were wondering how come after ~28hrs of war, SS were like making poor strategical decisions and poor planning/coordination.

Markers was handed a war in his favour, but not only did he proceed on to lose it. he lost it badly.. and that's even with one of the more active crews i've seen in the past few ages of uto.

Regarding the current situation. Merry XMAS 2016!

My gift to you guys is a wall of text!

[11:57] L: Yo
[12:02]*CJ:*Sup
[12:04]*L:*You keeping up with this drama in X:X?
[23/12 12:04] CJ: Just read forums ytd
[23/12 12:04] CJ: If I were to pick a side, I think fs is more correct
[23/12 12:07] CJ: Basically from what I read on the forums. Fs and SS were 3k honour difference with SS coming out of war.
[23/12 12:07] CJ: Fs wanted to secure honour crown.
[23/12 12:07] CJ: SS wanted to hide and run away like find another war and hopefully honour crown
[23/12 12:07] CJ: If you were fs. You would do the exact same thing
[23/12 12:07] CJ: I would
[23/12 12:08] CJ: I would wave SS and make sure I have sufficient honour lead.

X [12:54 PM] : FS tried to bully, which they always do!
cj [12:54 PM] : Fs tried to secure their honour crown. X, You would do the same thing as they did
X [12:55 PM] : CJ, If i wanted to do it, I wouldnt hit a kd and keep hitting them
cj [12:57 PM] : X, when will you stop hitting as fs then?
I will stop when there's enough buffer between me and the #2 honour kd I'm hitting
Or when #2 honour kd agrees not to crown and have shenanigans at end of age
Define what's 'hitting too much '? After you do so, then consider did fs hit too much?
It was 3k honour difference at first. They were at like 110k honour.
Any ww by #2 SS would generate at least 15-20k honour

X [1:00 PM] : I would jut try to get 1-2 waves or sort diplomacy after 1st wave, which clearly FS ignored
cj [1:00 PM] : SS didn't want to sign some sort of we will not crown etc, from what I read in the forums even though they said they wont. We all know a ww by #2 will make them leapfrog fs.
X [1:01 PM] : CJ, you cannot ask a kd not to crown 10 days before the age, in the war tier, its generally the rule that if there is an agreed war, they do not hit! Just like the top tier has the notice thing but FS in their arrogance ignored it
cj [1:02 PM] : Then if they don't agree to crown. I will ensure that I crown by creating a decent gap between my honour and their honour. I don't know how true is that agreed war btw. Let's just say that I also don't have a good opinion of Francis. But still think fs has more right

[23/12 12:08] CJ: I suspect the gb was started might have been by SS and friends first
[23/12 12:08] L: How do you know ss started it?
[23/12 12:08] CJ: They maxed meter and had 2-3 other kds rk fs shortly after war declare
[23/12 12:08] CJ: Take a SN
[23/12 12:08] L: That's my biggest question
[23/12 12:09] CJ: The razes were onto fs first
[23/12 12:09] L: Sn isn't proof that SS gbed them
[23/12 12:09] CJ: Ss can claim yhat they didn't arrange for friends to help... it's a possibility.
[23/12 12:09] L: It's just evidence that fs got razed
[23/12 12:09] CJ: But..
[23/12 12:09] CJ: Who the **** max meter against a kd much larger without any plans when it's #2 honour vs #1 honour
[23/12 12:10] CJ: I am just basing off forums and my own interpretation. It can't be confirmed it was coordinated. But feels so.
[23/12 12:10] L: Yeah idk
[23/12 12:10] CJ: Doesn't make sense to max meter and give the honour crown to fs .. unless you have plans
[23/12 12:11] CJ: I mean. Ss were ****ing pissed that fs waved them for honour and gave them no shot at honour crown (since they couldn't hide or run further).
[23/12 12:11] CJ: Why would you max meter declare and farm out?

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Originally Posted by protector

Hah. We're only razing because a few douchebags started a GB for no reason.

You guys truely are mental lol. I'd call you morons but if I did Palem would perhaps ban me, so I shall refrain from that :)

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Ahhhhhh, you almost got away there! Banned.

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thumbs up for best thing that happened in this thread!

Logs can come if and when I have time. First however, I'd like saumpuan /leadership of fs to acknowledge what I'm referring to instead of firstly ignoring me totally and then playing dumb. People have enough bad experiences edit this kd irrespective of anything I will post.