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If I can't read it, I can't moderate it. I wish I was C3P0 with over 6000 languages, but I'm not :(. English only
Just assume all things in foreign languages are inappropriate. Simple.
I just assume anything in a Nordic language has an incantation for summoning Satan in it somewhere.
when you conceed its over...that happened before FS even declaredQuote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
I am sorry to say this, but I have not really read anyting here since page 74.... Can someone summarize the last 25 pages?
- pandas dropped offensive buildings and converted to pump buildings 24hrs before notice. That's an additional day.
- the last possible op pandas could have receive was from emeriti 48hrs before notice, and that's when fs declared on emeriti. That's an additional day.
- 2.5-5 days prior to fs declaring on emeriti, pandas explored 12-13k acres. And during this period of time, divinity was already in war and only emeriti could possibly op them . and emeriti was 1v4-5 that time? That's another few days.
- 1 of the main reasons (AFAIK, only 2 reasons) why awar didn't end before fs declaring emeriti was that pandas didn't agree on the condition of emeriti not wanting to eoacf kds that want to land crown, but rather a duration cf. To me, this is a trivial issue. Would emeriti really notice at like 30-40% land size? This is the reason why awar dragged on 48hrs longer (see first two points)
- pandas are 25 man tog, and Intel show they have better sciences than us. I'm seeing 600+bpa (excluding stock) on a 4.6k province that grew from 3k.
- despite all these, instead of a plain 48hrs notice, cRAZiEs still gave 6 days of prep that started 24 hrs after they converted buildings (point 1). 6+1+1+avg(2.5,5)= ?? Days
- I get how things work. cj is always wrong and unfair
This is what happens when you decide to not bargain in diplo and straight away present a number that you feel it's fair. When I talked to Flogger a few days ago, I mentioned 5 days straight away (instead of working from 48hrs notice) and flogger said 6. I gave in and agrees. 3mins convo tops. We both agree we hate it when people try to act smart and bargain in diplo, this isn't your local grocery stall. Flogger got back to me and said pandas are good with 6 days.
Since then, members of pandas have tried to ask for 10 days, 8 days of notice. No harm trying to do so, its part of the game. But no, cRAZiEs are not changing our stance
Gl hf
Tldr : join uto clash of clans
Congrats you gave the thread triple digits.
and he did it with the same exact post as he made in another thread. he sure is original!Quote:
Originally Posted by bombdigie
like how you're original in double posting! A simians and pyro combi dirty play what more can we expect from utopia, the plot gets thicker and scummier!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck
Cj and crazies can u please comment on the recent available information that when u stated ur intention to notice Pandas, by coincidence Emeriti decided to LL and FB the hell of the Pandas banks, very useful for crazies..?/
Also, if they were not in awar still, why were they opped and why were they razing ABS kds while I read here it was over, etc?
A third question is regarding the recent attacks cj is doing into kds fighting abs by mistake, again this starts to sound like abs excuses and mistakes...
To anti abs group, is this considered as cj joining the abs side?
Or is awar really over? Abs apologized and admitted their foul play?
Will cj and crazies be able to use their size to powerplay and bully Pandas or BB and anti abs step in and avoid the vulture to be?
Again Sofs1 you sound more and more like you play in Pandas, noone is going to gangbang cJ for giving a perfectly fine notice which he is intitled to give, you trying to make more chaos is a pretty poor attempt, and cJ was never on Emeriti's side, cJ remained neutral he could have easily joined awar but not he noticed them as awar is over yet you claim he enters awar? bull.
You should read posts before replying, it would make for better logic of discussion instead of a mental burst of words and random stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
I'm not in Pandas, just an ghetoo player from old utopia having some fun.
I'm asking questions to both sides, if the ones I asked ur side are uncomfortable, perhaps it's because of all the poop u are trying to hide?
my side? maybe you should learn whos on whos side... Im with noone and i play for the kingdom i lead and noone else.
You asking questions isnt exactly questions its an attempt to get cJ gangbanged for doing a perfectly fine notice, sure he isnt giving up advantages with the notice, but why should he? everyone goes into a war to try and win and him giving 6+ days when he didnt have to, shows that he at least gives them a chance to pump up a bit and time to get gc etc.
Why would he wait to later when sages gets stronger and stronger the further the age goes?
This reminds me of the Warcry crown when Cov and ABS warred last time. I think it was then?
[QUOTE=Aranfein;15341757]my side? maybe you should learn whos on whos side... Im with noone and i play for the kingdom i lead and noone else.
You asking questions isnt exactly questions its an attempt to get cJ gangbanged for doing a perfectly fine notice, sure he isnt giving up advantages with the notice, but why should he? everyone goes into a war to try and win and him giving 6+ days when he didnt have to, shows that he at least gives them a chance to pump up a bit and time to get gc etc.
KD "A" gain lots of acres during a conflict, KD "B" used this time to gain acres/pump like crazy"
KD "B" deside by the news they take since very few hits were made the conflict is over, and deside to notice KD "A" .
out of fear from kd "A" friends or diplomacy or whatever other reason kd "B" deides to give kd "A" few days to train up.
if kd "A" had no friends or whatever other reason stoped kd "B" they wouldve been vultured already.
the only reason this "**** play" been semi avoided is because of kd "A" friends or diplomacy or whatever other reason i dont know about.
so yea.. i belive the "threath" of being gangbanged as you put it is the only think that stoped cj otherwise. .he wouldve vultured.. while it might not be considered dealbreaking or but. .this situation is very uniqe.. since it wasnt a war.. but hositle only. .so no after war time to retrain up
[QUOTE=shotgun;15341761]I would like to know now is the auctioning of dirty play a means to gain a lot of acres like you mentioned. Lol flogger, your alliance stance is just getting weaker by the day, maybe U shld keep your minions in check.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
ger your eyes chcked and notice the " " .
it was meant as sarcasam.. while its not considered **** play it still is vulturing..
Does anyone else fail to understand the enormously long ramblings of ghetto players? I am far from perfect but for ****s sake use some grammar.
[QUOTE=Heiney;15341763]We did grow during awar as did all kds involved in it except some of abs since they got beaten up hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgun
We were not the ones growing more in %, we grew a lot by calculated exploring to maximize our chances vs abs and their banks.
I don't understand why stances keep changing for those accusing us of all. First we are in awar to win, then when its obvious we could get more if we stayed out, we were there to hide, then after a while it seems we were not even in awar or it was over while we kept trading blows with Emeriti and getting opped.
Please decide.
shotgun if thats the case, why the calls for ****play? vulturing has never been ****play its just jumping a target while in stronger position like 95% of the server is doing... Why would it be any different now? and i still dont personally see cJ noticing as vulturing, he gave notice whether or not it was because of alliance that it got extended, its still there so why whine? You got 6+ days + the 1 or 2 days you stalled which gave you 7 or 8 overall, you wanted 9... So hardly unfair that you ended up at 7 or 8 when he could have given you 48hrs, which would still have been fine.
Its not cJs fault you entered the awar when you had already told him you would stay neutral... and on top of that you broke deal with Emeriti twice was it?
Another point, didnt Flogger ask Pandas if 6 days was fine? which was then at that point in time agreed?
1. i never whined
2. the only reason (as far as i know might be wrong) we got this time is cuz the so called awar allience.. (is there one realy? i realy dont know.. )
3. the reason ive desided to post here cuz all of the ****alk going on against panda.
4. i have no idea about any deals/diplomacy or dealbreaking that been made or hasnt been made.
I have a book of chronological events during WW2.
It'd be cool if a nice, observant correspondent would offer a brief day-by-dayish rundown of the wreckage. You should start with a list of parties involved. Nothing against Shiesters news post, but it's very "ready" and not simply records of engagement and objectives.
Thx.
Absolutely. Surrender means war is over. Anything past the enemy's concession is one-sided.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
Very simple rule of war in fact; traditionally wars are based on winning and losing. You go to war to win something or to not lose something. When one side surrenders, the other side wins, the war is over. The label is removed. Otherwise, wars would go on as long as one side wanted them to, which defeats the concept of a war being a two-sided conflict.
When one side continues to attack after winning, it is no longer a war, it is a one-sided massacre of a targeted group.
I got time to do a proper reply now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofs1
#1: I just checked http://umunk.net/tf/ , and from what the graphs show.. only 1 of your banks got LL.. He basically explored from 3796 acres to 7597 acres in the midst of an AWAR.
http://oi62.tinypic.com/29mmzww.jpg
When is the best time to LL an explored province and gain the maximum amount of acres? Right after the explore is done. I dont know how much FBs really got done.. But honestly, if I wanted Emeriti to help me in cRAZiEs - Pandas conflcit after awar, I would think a full blown LL on that wpa-less human cow is better than FBing.. It is just incredible that you are blaming cRAZiEs when your high risk high reward move of preparing cows in the middle of the conflict got back-fired?
#2 Here's the timeline of the awar, and when notice was officially served
May 19th, Yr 4 : Pandas left fort at 61861 acres, and went into aggresive stance waving meep's kingdom (an AWAR kd on Emeriti's side) for 3.5k acres. A CF deal was made for another 3.5k acres (total 7k acres). I dont know what the actual terms of the CF are, but I doubt it's a 'blank cf'
Feb 20th, Yr 5: Pandas left fort into normal stance, and started joining/rejoining the awar as 1 of the kingdom alongside BB&friends
June 2nd, Yr 5: And Justice For All (Panda faery) explored
July 21st, Yr 5: Destination Triangle (Panda faery) explored. 32 Caliber Long Rifle (Panda faery) explored
January 19th, Yr 6: Bhumibol Adulyaedj (Panda faery) explored. Agadez (Panda faery) explored
Feb 20th, Yr 6: Midgets are back (human) explored
Mar 21st, Yr 6: Divinity (Emeriti's side) got declared on by WSK (BB's side). This left with only 1 kingdom on Emeriti's side that wasnt in a war. Emeriti themselves
April, Yr 6: Serious talks between flogger & Emeriti at around April 11-12th about a diplomatic solution to the end of the awar. A strong skeleton was drafted up, and both parties agreed to most terms but just need some finalizing with the respective kingdoms invovled. Flogger logged off and passed it on to protector to finish up the diplo terms. Protector took over diplo at around April 23rd, and tried to finish up the diplo terms.
However, there were 2 reasons why the diplomatic solution didnt go through.. and the main reason was because Pandas didnt agree to Emeriti not wanting to eoacf kingdoms involved in the awar that wanted to crown. Emeriti requested a duration + notice CF. Pandas didnt accept this. Honestly, it is a trivial matter. I dont think Emeriti will notice from a 40% land size towards the end of the age. Awar continues
May 3rd, Yr 6: Emeriti got declared on by FS. Panda collected their last ~2.5k trad march acres from the awar. There are no more kingdoms who can op or attack pandas oow.
June 2nd, Yr 6: Pandas entered fort, and dropped all their offensive buildings, and swaped into pumping buildings
June 13th, Yr 6: ASF & Emeriti finally agreed to eoacf Pandas and tidied up most of the diplomatic solution with Flogger. It was at this moment where I found out that Pandas actually had more bpa than cRAZiEs.
June 24th, Yr 6: cRAZiEs issued a 6 days notice to Pandas, and this 6 days was already agreed on during mid of April yr 6. Initially, both kingdoms only had a yr 6 +48hrs notice.
Please tell me which date did you read the 'awar was over' and who op-ed Pandas at that period of time. In addition, please let me know what hits were made by pandas when you read that 'awar was over'
Honestly, 6 days notice from June 24th is a very fair deal to Pandas. You basically had at least 46 hours of not being op-ed by anyone on Emeriti's side.. And prior to this date, you already have your faeries doubled/explored up (between June Yr 5 to January Yr 6) and pumping out wizzies/science already. That's at least another 5-7 days more of pumping time on your explored faeries during awar itself. If I had seen your bpa earlier when I made the deal with flogger in April Yr 6, I would definitely have not done 6 days.
#3
Yes, cRAZiEs made mistakes of hitting into kingdoms involved in the awar. I have personally apologized to all the involved parties. Jerks have retalled the hit and we have CF it up. I have talked to Francis from FS and we have settled the issue. I have not personally talked to anyone from TBB, but we have communicated in-game and have a CF up.
Mistakes were done hitting into those kingdoms. And I'll be honest why I didnt have any blank CFs up with those kingdoms. This is because it's very hard to break a CF after it's up, and at that moment of time I felt having no CF but telling my guys not to hit kingdoms involved in the awar was a better choice.
My guys were basically being ranted by me every single day to whore and make sure we dont end up in an inferior spot vs Pandas at the end of the awar.. and cRAZiEs list of kingdoms CF-ed grew by the day.. we dont have awar targets to hit, but have to random across the server across many difference kingdoms
For the records, growth of both Pandas and Sillies during the period of the AWAR.
Pandas 61861 -> 107121, 45.3k acres gained
cRAZiEs 67504 -> 119525, 52.0k acres gained
This is inclusive of the fact that cRAZiEs had more initial pool during the timeframe.
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What Pandas has done during the awar, I do not disrespect any of their decisions. I also do not have any personal hate or bias towards any of Panda's leaders (cappo, taylor, AMP etc). They have tried to ask me for a longer preparation time, but cRAZiEs have not changed their stance that a 6 days notice from June 24th, Yr 6 is a fair deal.
I really hope we can stop the mud sliding between both parties and continue with our war preparations.
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Good luck and have fun.
Would someone please post all of this "damage" that the innocent little teddy bears are taking plz? I keep hearing that they got it so rough. Pandas is being opped by multiple kds, receiving hordes of hits, big bad cj trying to keel them, etc. Plz set the record strait for us. This is crucial piece of the conversation.
If it is discovered that Pandas are being beaten up and diminished then we will wd our notice and issue a new notice of jan 1st yr10 Age 70 so that they have ample time to recover from the severe beating they took in the "awar"
cJ teaching his minions how to post the same **** into different threads simultaneously
[19:52] <doordie> Well since eowcf is so good, I would go max eowcf, but if you want them faster, we can do fasterQuote:
Originally Posted by DoOrDie
[19:53] <doordie> Also, I would like to make it 2000, not 2500 :P
[22:08] <doordie> looks like I got dced, didnt get anything after what I said about 2k acres
[22:50] <protector> just about to go off, weekend is over so more time tomorrow
[22:52] <protector> thought we agreed to the terms already now you wanna switch? ;p
[22:53] <protector> how about we take 1500-2000 in a couple days when you're out of eowcf and then another 500-1000 like a week later?
[23:46] <doordie> well first we were discussion the land cap
[23:46] <doordie> then we were going to discuss from who you were taking it
[23:46] <doordie> and then the total amount :P
[23:46] <doordie> step by step diplomacy!
Secret way of loc sharing? is this allowed!?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOne
So if I make it out of 24h protection, who am I hitting?
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by munk
You are responsible for the material you post.
I ended up in Mikes kd. FML.
Then you should know who to hit, problem solved haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
No - to it breaks the rules or is that not sharing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
TheOne:
Those are some cool graphs, but from what I can see, it seems Crazies had around 5k acres on Pandas at the time they agreed CF, around the same on them at the time of AWAR and now the difference is over 12k acres, so one could easily agree you outgained them?
And while one did it on ideal and almost never seen conditions, with all in awar, the other was actually in a conflict vs several kds.
I dont get the discussion on this and why people try to insinuate somehow that a kd who has been in conflict for weeks can prepare better than a kd who grew more and with NOONE to attack them, seems idiotic to say the least.
Well, from what i gather Panda's were being AWed and opped hard by Emeriti, So I will be hitting CJ and FGing some of that GC unless he changes his Humans to orcs, WE NEED MOAR ORCS!!! (I think this was what he posted last age which was "funny"? It's nice now the boot is on the other foot.)
23h CJ.
ABA do you want to be JD or Turk?Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
http://i.imgur.com/apyk7P9.gif
mooohahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
So funny!
Turk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
I got that people are trying to insinuate that a kd is hiding behind their alliance mates and pretending to still be in a conflict while actually exploring their cows and pumping science. Weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofs1