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I cannot quote the posts in question, but i have a vague memory that you said that you would make sure to keep -50%-attacktime at all time... I proved that wrong, since you have to have 50% rax to get -37,5% atk-time.Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
Oh, now i discovered a fault in my calculation at that time. With 50% rax, and warrior, you actually DO have -50% atk-time. But you still need 50% rax...
See that is wrong the max one can get is 41.25%.
With rax?
EDIT: I mean, 41.25 for rax only?
Wow, he just keeps doing it.
Okay if you say so.
See, with vines, you can never be sure about anything.
Whatever he decides to type, he may pretend he never typed a second afterwards - a bit like Edz.
Im just curious from where you got that number.
He pulled it out of his ass, like everything else he says.
Someone I got the number from the building calculator. VT2 no one understands the things you say.
Well, then we must have different versions of Angel (if that is what you are using).
Another place to look for it is here.
And this time, dont take this as offensive. I dont want to be on the mods hate-list. Just take it as a friendly advice and a hint to where to find some real numbers.
I'm not angry I'm glad you are sharing with me. I want to become a more skilled play and that web page you showed me is very impressive. I'm going to put it in my favorites. However I notice some of those numbers are wrong. Because I have 50% homes and in the game on my survey page it says I get +75% birth rate. And that's in the game. But the building calculator says the samething too.
The Province of Red Mist (??:??)
[http://www.utopiatemple.com Angel v1.92 Beta]
Server: World of Legends (Age 40)
Utopian Date: March 15th, YR3
RL Date: August 31st, 2008 (20:00 GMT)
Origin: Unformatted (1st hand)
Ruler Name: Lord Blood Shed the Craftsman
Personality & Race: The Artisan, Gnome
Land: 1,159 Acres
Money: 524,354gc (29,596gc daily income)
Food: 87,993 bushels
Runes: 32,225 runes
Population: 38,040 citizens (32.82 per Acre)
Peasants: 12,896 (100% Building Efficiency)
Trade Balance: -63,305gc (0% tax rate)
ME+Stance (no spells): 99.73% off. / 129.7% def.
Soldiers: 128 (63.1% estimated draft rate)
Halflings: 0
Pikemen: 1,060 (6,874 defense)
Golems: 19,744 (98,450 offense / 128,036 defense)
War-Horses: 3,750 (up to 3,740 additional offense)
Prisoners: 0
Total Modified Offense: 102,317 (88.28 per Acre)
Practical (50% elites): 53,092 (45.81 per Acre)
Total Modified Defense: 135,076 (116.55 per Acre)
Practical (50% elites): 71,058 (61.31 per Acre)
Max. Possible Thieves/Wizards: 7,658 (6.61 / Acre)
Estimated Thieves Number: 3,063 (2.64 per Acre)
Estimated Wizards Number: 1,149 (0.99 per Acre)
** Networth Table: **
Total Networth: 214,559gc (185.12 per Acre)
Golems: 103,656gc (48%) - [5.25gc]
Land (90% built): 59,109gc (28%) - [15+40gc]
Thieves+Wizards+Science (est.): 30,632gc (14%)
Peasants: 12,896gc (6%) - [1gc]
Pikemen: 5,300gc (2%) - [5gc]
War Horses: 2,250gc (1%) - [0.6gc]
Money: 524gc (0%) - [1/1000gc]
Soldiers: 192gc (0%) - [1.5gc]
** Thievery Advisor: **
(For more accurate results, use the Thievery Calc.)
Money: 1,115 thieves to steal up to 43,469gc
Food: 367 thieves to steal up to 32,997 bushels
Runes: 538 thieves to steal up to 8,459 runes
Peasants: 3,155 thieves to kidnap up to 239 peasants
Peasants in War: 14,706 thieves for 516 peasants
Soldiers: 19 thieves to kill up to 19 soldiers
Arson: 14,500 thieves to burn up to 58 homes
Horses: 4,494 thieves to release up to 478 horses
What 70opa/70dpa?
I cannot comment on that. Never ran 50% homes :)
And if you think its incorrect, post a comment on the "discussion"-page (at the top), and see if theres anyone else who have noticed the same thing, and as soon as it is clear that the value is wrong, update it.
If you run 50% homes at 100% BE, your birth rate bonus will be 50% * (1 - 50%) * 3% = 75%.
And if you're getting those numbers with half your land allocated already, you're in trouble.
Catwalk agrees with me. I don't care what is right or what is wrong. If I'm getting the numbers I like well that's all that matters.
MikeTyson it's hinden as our kingdom gets closer to war you will see my province keep on getting stronger and stronger seemingly out of no where.
Someone, you are right. I take back the location.
er... no he didnt....Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
Mike, tbh, i think its unethical to post locations officially.
Anyway, it seems like the wiki were outdated.
Close thread please? Im sleepy.
Greenie he was agreeing with me. So what does this mean can someone have -41.25% attack time if they ran 50% barracks?
By instinct i say no. But let me do it the catty-way:
1.5 * 50% rax * 100% BE * (1-50% rax)=1,5*0,5*1*(1-0,5)=0,375=37,5%
So no. Noone, but you, were incorrect at this point.
No, I explained why you misinterpreted the information on the site.
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Homes (birth rates) . multiplier 3 max 75%
I used that formula off that web page you gave me. And it keeps giving me 49.99. The building calculator says the max is 43.13%. Something is off it has to be 49.99 or 43.13% one of the two. Catwalk I don't understand what you are saying is it or is it not +75% to birth rate. I'm not kidding in my survey page it says +75% to birth rate.
What formula are you trying to apply on what and how?
I'm plugging 50% barracks into the building calculator on Angel now, and I'm getting -37.5% attack time. The formula gives me -37.5% as well. It's not your lucky day vines.
Attack time reduced by = 1.5 * (Barracks / Land) * BuildingEffectiveness * (1 - (Barracks / Land))
1.5(268/535)*100*(1 - (268/535))
When I do that I need up with 49.99
Are you using 1.92? How can we both be getting different number?
All fine so farQuote:
Quote:
Attack time reduced by = 1.5 * (Barracks / Land) * BuildingEffectiveness * (1 - (Barracks / Land))
1.5(268/535)*100*(1 - (268/535))
Not so fineQuote:
When I do that I need up with 49.99
http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=...%B6kning&meta=
Dont know if it works whereever you are. But you have to do something wrong.
Someone, we forgot to use vines-math, where 1/92 = 92% = 0.092. That would make quite a difference.
Aaaah. You are so correct my dear catwalk :) (if anyone get the fun in that, ill be very impressed, and very happy)
vines, insert 0.5 instead of (268/535). And no arguing about how you wish to calc it, the one who created that formula certainly didnt do it your way. So you better do it our way, or create your own formulas.
I'll have a go at it:
1/50 = 50% = 0.05
I'm sure we can use those numbers somehow to get whatever result we want.
I'm getting 37%~ more or less. However, I'm going to use the numbers I get from the building calculator because those seem to be correct. The building calculator say +75% birth rate and that matches what my survey says so I have no reason to think the building calculator is wrong.
hmm.. could work. But im very unsure how he does it when its more than 1 in the upper-value (i know, i dont know all the english terms. Sry!)
Good idea vines. I havent found any flaws in it. Not that ive really looked for them...
btw, i think some mod are moderating this thread... the Go to new post-link is really confused :P
If it's telling you that you get -43% attack time from barracks, please take a screenshot and upload it as that would be very interesting. I doubt it.
It says the one will get -43.13% lower attack time if one has 50% barracks at 100%BE. However you can doubt me if you dare. :0
screen shot or it didnt happen =)Quote:
Originally Posted by vines
/me slaps forehead and abruptly turns on his heel, sprinting out of the thread
This guy is better than the comedy channel...
Barracks max out at 37.5%, regardless of your BE. BE just affects how long it takes to get there.
You have just proven, for any who doubted before, that you are a complete and total noob.
Goodnight, Gracie
so i have 600 bpa at 1400 acres atm. 600x1400 = 840000 books. I only have 210000nw though. Why math genius Vine do i not have close 700k nw just from books !
Please don't use facts in this thread Ced. It's Kryptonite to Supervines.
facepalmQuote:
Originally Posted by shank
bit late =)