And they would get 20% WTs, shoot down the dragons, then fireball you to hell. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by VT2
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And they would get 20% WTs, shoot down the dragons, then fireball you to hell. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by VT2
I'm happy to hear this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemo
If Hamas will also stop using civilian population as human shields and will follow the rules of engagement I will agree with you completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemo
Israel already took all Israeli civilians out of the Gaza strip. I hope it won't be long before we'll take all Israeli civilians out of the west bank too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemo
If you refer to the entire state of Israel as Palestinian territory then we'll never agree on that.
Israel got this territory from the UN which controlled the area at the time. Mistake or not, it has been made and can't be undone.
I already told you that Israel doesn't bomb heedlessly. I think we'll never agree on that either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemo
I don't have a problem with your views (once you explained the misconception). Criticism is good when it's done in a sane manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemo
I truly believe that Israeli forces act with high moral. If I thought otherwise I would criticise them as well (just like I criticise the illegal settlements).
Here's one example:Quote:
Originally Posted by stoffi
Here's another example:Quote:
Originally Posted by stoffi
I didn't put these words in your mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoffi
I'm sure anyone reading your posts could find more examples that show that you want more blood shed, not less.
This is the reason I don't bother replying to your posts.
You truthfully wish that israeli citizens get suicide-bombed Stoffi?.... wtf.
""""And how come Israel bombed several UN schools? The UN has already denied that any Hamas were anywhere near, while Israel says they retaliated to Hamas fire from inside the school today. When did the UN lie? Never.
Israel on the other hand, has a long tradition of deception and lies.""""""""
Stoffi your so full of shiet......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht2B9KaDAEw
This is why they hit that target ,Hamas have been using schools scince 2006 to fire from,and Hamas could care less people are taking shelter in the schools.
So now that your completely wrong again whats your next useless point.
LOL you'd think the civilian population in Gaza would flee to the sea or boeders and just camp out away from the citys until this is over......only problem is Hamas would just as soon kill them then loose thier human shields..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9ycs
Ask and you shall recieve.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHoHXnAK6Qg
Go ahead stoffi post your videos of hamas in action in the last two weeks.....lol
Boom Headshots~~~~~~~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Wf2gOeipc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLmfAjOpgYQ
LOL, that sounds like a nazi propaganda. A case of deporting to deathcamps presented as "sparing" women and childern... it's just laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoffi
I see no proof presented to back up your many posts, starting with dates and events continuing with casualities, further to analysis. You're just yapping from a safe country supporting something you have no idea about. Also, just like many more extremists you're locked into something and you're not pondering the truth or false possiblities. Your posts are full with inconcludent data, lies, propaganda and extremistic speak.
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I don't support Isaraelis neither Muslims. I think both are blinded by propaganda. It's at least weird, if not outrageous, that in 60 years neither side found a common ground to make peace, while most probably the civilians from both sides would want peace if you'd ask them, in any given moment of the day.
Every time the sides would settle on an agreement, one or another has to do something to break it. That can't be random. Don't tell me that Israel couldn't end it in several ways like staying behind UN borders, or that the rich arabs didn't had the money in 60 years to help palestinians to live a decent life. Hell, the bomb shelters could have been built in 60 years even digging with teaspoons. It's clear that both use propaganda to show their side of the story, and both have material interests for the continual conflict.
So, having hotheaded posts about the issue show lack of understanding of the global situation, extremistic behavior and plain stupidity.)
You sound like such a communist, Wolf.
let us have faith in mans ability to love thy meighbor, rather than continue to antagonize one another.
I resent that, for no reason other than to be different, and I claim - loudly - that my RACE is the best of them all at blowing stuff up.
True! Your race is only beaten by magma giants on blowing things up... humans ftw!Quote:
Originally Posted by VT2
Then some news from today:Quote:
Originally Posted by stoffi
"At least 24 Palestinians were killed in Gaza on Thursday, including three elderly people fleeing their home, according to Dr. Moaiya Hassanain of the Palestinian Health Ministry. He estimated the death toll around 750, and U.N officials say about half were civilians."
So in fact according to UN, the civilian deaths are smaller than the average in post WW2 conflicts? Didn't you just claimed the opposite?
That would work out flawlessly, if only there wasn't this tiny detail: there are no magma giants left.
I wiped them all out with my flames.
i support Israel 100%. Kill Terrorists, and if civilians get in the way kill them too. 200 dead children= 200 dead potential suicide bombers. Life is cheap there, that's why they have 8 kids per family. Civilians are fair targets since most of them elected Hamas.
Let's not forget 9/11 and how they Palestinians celebrated the death of 4000 Americans.
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i support Israel 100%. Kill Terrorists, and if civilians get in the way kill them too. 200 dead children= 200 dead potential suicide bombers. Life is cheap there, that's why they have 8 kids per family. Civilians are fair targets since most of them elected Hamas.
Let's not forget 9/11 and how they Palestinians celebrated the death of 4000 Americans.
I assume youre an american with 0 geographic knowledge,400k people living on a 151 km2 area,THEY DON'T GET IN WAY,they have nowhere to go you retard...
And if that's your way of thinking I don't wonder at all terrorists target countryes that think that way...
Regarding the 4,000 palestinians celebrating 911; that was propaganda, observe this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p1ef...e=channel_pageQuote:
Originally Posted by kwwww
I doubt it was 4,000 anyway.
That video has nothing to do with the current situation; it is from year 2007, observe the following video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmXXUOs27lIQuote:
Originally Posted by allonons
Another reason I wouldn't trust that video is cause I didn't see any proof that it was a UN school building anyway. This clearly shows why they didn't want any journalists in Gaza.
edit: I confused your video post with another video I saw that proclaimed to be 2008, here is the vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmXXU...e=channel_page
second edit: Never mind, I mistook the claimed date on the video above too. But still, I don't see anything to identify the building as a school UN or otherwise, and it is not the current incident.
The UN has said there were NO hamas in their buildings, 99,9% sure they said. I've never heard UN lie before, but I hear Israel lie and manipulate all the time. Today and yesterday for example, when they said they will agree to CF, and then a 3 hour CF each day. And what happens at the very same time? They pretend not to have said this, and ignores a cf and a 3 hour daily cf.
Also, yet another UN building was bombed. Over 110 refugees were gathered in a UN-protected house, many of them children. Israel couldn't care less, and bombed them and over 30 died. The UN calls it a most serious incident.
So, 3 UN buildings/schools have been bombed now, ambulances are bombed, hospitals are bombed, university, police station(yes, they solve crimes at these places), kebab-shops, market places, etc.
If a maniac suicide bomber was to enter Israel, these targets are the ones he would choose because they contain a high number of civilians.
So why does Israel bomb the same targets as a suicide bomber would bomb?
And I repeat, the UN has guaranteed NO hamas were anywhere close to their properties.
Israel has a long tradition of bombing the UN though, in all conflicts, the UN has been bombed by Israel. Even norwegian UN soldiers were bombed and killed by Israelis. It's no accident, Israel wants the UN out of there so no one can report what they are doing.
Also, have you noticed how only one side can report from this war? Only Israelis can report, because Israel has locked down Gaza. In this way, Israel can try to control the information flow and manipulate it.
Israel DOES bomb civilians. The targets I've listed are civilian targets, and there were NO militants in the area when they got bombed, and even if there was, you don't bomb a market place because you saw a Hamas member there, unless you're a barbarian ofc.
Actually I'm Canadian and saying I don't know anything about geography is irrelevant. Are you suggesting they have nowhere to go so they have to launch rockets at Israel. I mean what does they have nowhere to go have anything to do with the war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saatana
Since there will never be peace between Jews and Palestinians, i would rather the Jews win.
BTW, UN won't do sh*t other that making a few statements. It will be over once Israel decides it is over.
Yesterday, a UN-worker was shot and killed/murdered by Israel in Gaza close to the border, while he was distributing food. Many norwegian citizens witnessed the incident, among them 5 children. The UN protests heavily.
Why does Israel target the UN and civilians?
What UN worker?Quote:
Originally Posted by stoffi
"One of the dead Thursday was a Ukrainian woman, the first foreigner to die in the fighting, according to Gaza Health Ministry official Dr. Moaiya Hassanain. He said the woman was married to a Palestinian doctor who trained in Ukraine and returned with her to Gaza."
You see, propaganda is on both sides.
"Hamas has said it won't accept any agreement that does not include the full opening Gaza's blockaded border crossings. Israel is unlikely to agree to that demand, as it would allow Hamas to strengthen its hold on the territory which it violently seized in June 2007."
Or even more than two sides:
"But scuffles erupted between Hamas supporters and loyalists of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, whose Fatah movement is trying to assert control over the fractured Palestinian political scene. Hamas says Abbas' term officially ended Friday, but Fatah says he will remain president until new elections are held."
FACT Hamas ARE terrorists they are mortering another country and by that action leaving themselves open to killing civilians.
THIS HAS TO STOP or Hamas should be taken out down to the lowliest member.
FACT Isreal have invaded this should not have happened but if one country shoots bullets across the border into another nevermind morters or suicide bombers that under international rulling is an ACT of WAR.
This whole situation is getting out of hand Hamas actually need to grow up they are like spoilt 2 year olds who cry and break things if they can not get thier own way.
If they do that Isreal needs to get out and sit down and talk with the newly emerged adults in Hamas.
Isreal as a nation should never have been formed but rightly or wrongly it was out of a very deep feeling of guilt over what happened to the jewish people at the hands of the Nazis. the jewish people need to remember this a bit more and show they can be more tollerant of the feelings of other nations. palastine needs to deal with hamas and if hamas will not convert to a political force then they must be hunted down and eliminated as should any terrorist organisation.
if people want to question these groups just look through media supporting both views and see how many Isreali troops are hidding behind children or setting up an artillary battery in the school playground, hamas and other organisations like them set up headquarters in civilian zones they attack from civilian zones just how many pictures have we ever seen of hamas massed for a military strike on an Isreali army unit.
If like some have said they are freedom fighters like the French or norwegian resistance were in WW2 why is it you do not hear of them taking out a military convoy or a army HQ?
If it is such an honour to die for thier god why is it the top ones are not fighting for the chance to be the next suicide bomber? After all they will be exhalted etc etc etc.
Because it's not and it's so much easier to send some poor kid who has been brainwashed and can't even tell thier parents/family of what they are training to doand the honour it will bring them having such a brave son or daughter ( or is this because they know the family will try and talk them out of it).
Red Cross cancels transport into Gaza after Israel bombs a humanitarian transport with ambulances and trucks.
A Human rights expert says Israel is doing something close to ethnically cleansing.
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What UN worker?
"One of the dead Thursday was a Ukrainian woman, the first foreigner to die in the fighting, according to Gaza Health Ministry official Dr. Moaiya Hassanain. He said the woman was married to a Palestinian doctor who trained in Ukraine and returned with her to Gaza."
You see, propaganda is on both sides.
Propaganda from the UN? Well, there's a first time for everything, but I doubt it. I never heard of propaganda from the UN, they are always so damn diplomatic that you can never get a real opinion from them. So when they say something clearly, you can be sure as hell they aren't lying.
Plus, norwegians witnessed it. I never heard of propaganda coming from norwegians either.
Israel and Hamas on the other hand, are both masters in the trade.
I just watched a norwegian movie about the resistance in Norway, about a man named Max Manus. He was a saboteur, and sunk many german ships at dock, and bombed several places in Oslo, killing civilians. The germans called him a terrorist, his only crime was to fight the occupation.
Was he a terrorist?
Here some more "propaganda" from Haaretz:
A UN agency has said Israeli troops evacuated Palestinian civilians to a house in Gaza City, then shelled the building 24 hours later.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054217.html
Btw, today Israel bombed "Norsk Folkehjelp" which is a norwegian humanitarian organization. The vehicle was marked, and luckily no one was injured.
Why does Israel bomb the UN, Red Cross and other humanitarian organizations? Are they also "terrorists"?
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Originally Posted by EPIMONDAS
Suiciders have been used "forever". The first recorded suicide "bomber"(they didn't have explosives) was in the 12th century, and he was swiss.
That war's going to last forever. It's already lasted for more than twenty years, so why would it stop all of a sudden, anyway?
It's the most defining ghetto war - ever.
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Originally Posted by allonons
Innocent until proven guilty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tg-F...?p=888&cpage=1
For the record I have seen welding equipment that looks exactly like that, being used in welding.
The UN has said there were NO hamas in their buildings, 99,9% sure they said. I've never heard UN lie before, but I hear Israel lie and manipulate all the time
LOL Stoffi the UN is filled with countries who lie including the United States ,don't be so naive.
I got one for you Stoffi.....
An Arab reporter asked an Israeli sniper what he felt when he shot civilian palestinains who had nothing to do with the war.
The Israeli Sniper replied..."I felt a mild recoil"!
So, having hotheaded posts about the issue show lack of understanding of the global situation, extremistic behavior and plain stupidity.)
Wolf I have no clue who your responding too but answer me this scince noone has yet to answer it.
Why do the Palestinians ,Hamas,Hezzbulah,and other extremeist who back the so called Palestinian cause never ever once attack Jordan to get back 75% of the land they lost from when Brit's created Trans-Jordan?
Someone answer me this, I've yet to see a answer to solve this gross injustice from Jordan and the Brits....
and it seems to me it's a matter of convenience the Palestinians and exstremeist forget about 75% of the land that was Palestine ,which in fact was an area in the middle east ,it was never a place or state...and that area was shared by Palestinian arabs,jews,christians and muslims alike Trans Jordan and the Brits displaced the Palestinians all of them ...including the Palestinian Jews which in turn banded together to kick the Brits out of what remained of the Palestine area.
The Palestinian Jews then banded together again after WW2 and wrangled thier own statehood from the UN.The Arab street was pissed along with Arab Monarchy's which led Israel to grab land instead of waiting to be invaded ,this happened twice...
Israel made peace with Egypt and Jordan gave Egypt back the Sinai Peninsula,but did not go as far as taking back original Palestinian Jew area that is now 75% of Jordan ...instead opiting for peace and to be recognized by Jordan and Egypt!
They are still willing and try to make peace and a deal with Syria, only because of extremeist will not let that take place!Syria being secular like Egypt is afraid to loose thier controling power to Iran ......
Half of the Arab/Muslim Palestinians have lost control of thier future to extremeist terrorist backed by Iran ,in which there may be no future for those lost souls.
Gaza is lost/Lebanon may soon be lost.
Jordan and Egypt authority have to much control to loose power to the street....
Gaza will fall if this continues with Lebanon not far behind...
But in the end Israel will not rest until Iran falls ,there is the problem ....there will never be peace between them two Ever Never!
Well Stoffi you've misquoted me. It's a little title followed by a news quote, another title and another quote. The last line is the next quote's title.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoffi
Palestinian jews? There were only some few thousand jews who still lived there. But by the end of at 19th century, immigration to Palestine started and jews poured into Palestine. This immigration escalated greatly during the first 20th century when talks about a jewish homeland started getting more serious, and culminated when they finally got/took Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by allonons
Know that as good as EVERY jewish city, town, village and settlement are built on a former Palestinian village.
The palestinians were driven off.
It was jews across the world who pressed on for a jewish homestate, because there were very few jews who actually came from Palestine.
This we cannot fix, it wouldn't be right to kick out all jews from Israel. But we can stop them from stealing more land and occupying the West Bank and Gaza.
From the period of the Oslo Agreement, jewish settlements in the West Bank have increased 100%. This was one of the most vital parts in the agreement.
Like Ariel Sharon said back then, "Every jew has to grab as much land as he can, for what we take now will stay ours".
Like you say, the brits are much to blame. But then again, jewish terrorism became so much of a problem that they just gave up.
Hamas are by no means saints, I think they should attempt to get guided missiles that hit military targets instead of random targets.
And religious extremism is never good, in both Palestine and Israel.
Ofc, but have you ever heard the UN lie? Nope, because that would ruin their credibility.Quote:
The UN has said there were NO hamas in their buildings, 99,9% sure they said. I've never heard UN lie before, but I hear Israel lie and manipulate all the time
LOL Stoffi the UN is filled with countries who lie including the United States ,don't be so naive.
I got one for you Stoffi.....
An Arab reporter asked an Israeli sniper what he felt when he shot civilian palestinains who had nothing to do with the war.
The Israeli Sniper replied..."I felt a mild recoil"!
High representatives in the UN have repeated this, and it's no lie.
Israel on the other hand, have just changed their statement from "Hamas fired on us from the school" to "We didn't bomb the school". Their credibility is extremely weak, and in addition they try to shut out the press and cut the info flow from Gaza, so THEY can control the news flow.
Israel has bombed ALOT of civilian targets, you cannot get away from this. Why don't they respect the UN and civilians?
Did you know that Israel has a world record in breaking UN resolutions? Iran and North Korea got boicotts in return, what does Israel get?
Too bad that the Mossad leader in North America now is chief of staff under Obama....
Irael's got nothing on Africa, stoffi. Even I know that, and I care 1% about politics and the world.
It's much easier for the extremists to brainwash people into hating someone of a different faith. If Israel was not created, I'm sure we'd have a Palestine-Jordan conflict. It'd probably have been something like the conflicts going on in Africa. Of course, this would get more publicity than Africa [can't ignore all the neighbouring countries sitting on a lot of oil], so maybe the UN and the rest of the World would take some decisive action and get some sort of peace set up, like they got in some African countries. It'd be a lot less bloody, since the Arab world, the US, Europe, etc. will all agree on getting stability ASAP, instead of being divided on two different sides a fault line, like they are now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemo
"EDIT: I believe there would've been less brain washing and suicide bombings too. Since the plea for religion wouldn't work too well."
And speaking of hot headed posts, I suppose taking a look at your own posts would be completely out of the question.
The best way to make sure there are no 'flames' to feed is to kill all those who oppose you.
"Hypocrits! They wanna show you what is making you excited, because this is what the media is about, you know, it's a business."
230 palestinian children have been killed so far. No jewish children have been killed for some years now. Who's the terrorist?
And no, those children weren't human shields. In all wars, every occupation, the resistance members WILL live among civilians to stay hidden and avoid being killed. Occupation powers then have to be really careful when they handle them, because they can't just kill a bunch of civilians, as in cut down the forest to find the bad guy. Even Nazi-Germany understood this, but didn't really care when it came to inferior races like polish, jews, etc etc.
What we see here, is that Israel does not care either, because the palestinians are inferior to the jewish master race.
Israel does what Germany did to them, they round them up in ghettoes walled in, starves them out, then move in for the kill. If anyone is so unfortunate to fight back, they will kill their family, random civilians and punish the entire population. This was much used by germans during WWII and is now used by Israel.
You cannot slaughter civilians as punishment for ppl fighting against occupation.
Germany also called resistance fighters for terrorists, and if Germany had won, they would have been written down as terrorists rather than resistance groups in history.
Israel WANTS rockets to come, why would they want peace? As long as there is no one to negotiate with, they can grab as much land as possible, and the longer the wall stands, the harder it will be for the palestinians to get the land back.
The war was planned long ago, before the palestinians knew they would ever fire rockets again.
Mossad has a saying, by deception thou' shall war. And that's excactly what they did here, bombing Hamas so Hamas would "start" the war for Israel.
Oh, and a little while ago a swedish CHURCH hospital was bombed by Israel. The hospital was warned and everyone got out in time.
But then the question arises, WHY would Israel deliberately bomb a church hospital? They clearly wanna cause as much pain as possible and bombs humanitarian targets on purpose.
yuk! more propaganda...