omg memster or ironman idk what the second one will be! flutter your next response i hope you decide for us!
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omg memster or ironman idk what the second one will be! flutter your next response i hope you decide for us!
Good job cleaning up your image simians lol
Can lead a horse to water...Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
palem i think we have the support of the majority of the utopia community with killing flutterybys province, i will not name names but i have been told by a few kingdoms its be long over due :)
Most of the utopia community would support the raze killing of simians?Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyMatt
But these statements do not generally mean it should be done.
and i could name 1-2 of those kds, and laugh at how many people actually respect them....Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyMatt
anyway So all the fuss about game mechanics is because MA stole 50-60 million gc huh. Kinda funny that top kds dont dick around back and forth w/robbing & hitting into fort enough to know how game mechanics work. ;P its like poking the bear
my vote is goodz for admin! he seems to like poking around with the formulas alot lol
I think Anri felt jealous that he havent got any attention lately. Too bad it was a patethic move like this but thats not surprising considered its Anri. Too bad he had to hog a good thread to do it thou
We stole abit more. Just dorje loss only from me 50-60, and he is not alone in his kd :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
Any forum thread given enough time turns into a Simians/TFC thread.
lol indeed. Now that we know Sanc didnt know how fort works, did u guys know or were u under the same wrong impression.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter
I am still confused :(
Fort work how both kds expected. We had 72h notice, 24h before kick both kds gone in fort to get protection from land hits and train 25% cheap. Was clear kd from 9 halfings will rob too. Dont matter fort or not. If there is not double for stance my robs will give not 800k per op but X times more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
flutterby you have no right to back talk Anri. You need to learn your place in Utopia which is to simply shut up and follow orders like a good sheep would. Anri only had you in the KD out of pity when he had a lineup of less incompetent players waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by flutterby
lol...im bored sooo
If i understood right its not damage done/op but success rate hes complaining about... 75% reduced damage is a given, howeverQuote:
Originally Posted by Elitbg
Sanc was under the impression that in addition to the damage done modifier to theif ops for was suposed to work like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cello
I op out of my fort i have a -50% mod tpa multiplier.
I op into another kds fort i have a -50% mod tpa multiplier.
Thus if normally i have 20 mod tpa and i got to steal from my fort into their for i have 20*(1-.5)(1-.5)= 5 mod tpa for the determination of thief op success rate. Thus if i attempt to steal from some who has 10 mod tpa, the success rate is dependent on the ratio of (My 5 mod tpa)/(Their 10 mod tpa).
He was mistaken, the way fort works is
I op out of my fort i have a -50% mod tpa multiplier.
If someone ops me into for i have a -50% mod tpa multiplier.
Thus if normally i have 20 mod tpa and i got to steal from my fort into their for i have 20*(1-.5)= 10 mod tpa for the determination of thief op success rate. Thus if i attempt to steal from some who has normally has 10 mod tpa, they have 10*(1-.5)=5 tpa and the success rate is dependent on the ratio of (My 10 mod tpa)/(Their 5 mod tpa).
Its the same as the war mod, opping into wars is not easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
It seems like someone has a fire growing in their crotch..
For some reason i dont think anyone fully graps what i'm saying or adressing. WAR has no mods to tpa/wpa only damage done. So you cant compare the two at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
The initial complaint was a 18 mod human oping an 11 mod human cross fort. If fort gave a -50% effectiveness mod oping INTO or out of fort would be like a 9 mod tpa trying to op a 11 mod human. And oping cross fort stance is like akin to a dwarf orc trying to op a halfer. He suggested the success rate should tank...it doesnt
OMG so much drama, prolly dorje is drama queen, come on you lost only 80 mlns, and your mates around that too, its not so much.
Next time learn math and then pop up accusing!
BTW Proteus show me your 100 and I will place my bet too, MA will rule, we are superior!
All the rest trolls and math genius acting forum members, create a topic in strategy talk and there talk about fortified or any other stance, really got bored to read 10 pages crap.
Now to sanctuary ---> COME ON, you served the notice not us, lets roll!
Persain: I was saying that for comedic effect :P And I liked Zaupers explanation better anyways:
[22:39:53] <zapanap> cello, lemme break it down for you
[22:40:37] <zapanap> if you're in fortified, you're like a duck billed platypus. And then along comes the gila monster. How u act?
[22:40:45] <Cello> zaupah: I'm still confused because I didn't bother to read all those posts :P
[22:41:29] <Cello> but obviously, as a duck billed platypus, I would sting the ****er with the poisonous stinger that platypi have
[22:41:43] <zapanap> that is correct.
[22:41:46] <zapanap> and also how fortified works
[22:41:48] <zapanap> hope this helps
So do you mean to say that it is bugged indeed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Does the bug work with 2 kds in war too using that math csarmi?
You can compare the two because they are identical mods, war also has an effectiveness mod. People in fortified do not suffer a defensive tpa/wpa nerf. The success rate should tank but humans have damage buffs and fort doesn't touch the cap afaik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
Not that I've seen, and i am unaware of dorjes bug report.Quote:
Originally Posted by csarmi
Bishop, is the intended effect of fortified is that:
a) people from the outside should have 50% tpa vs you (when opping you)
b) people from the outside should have unchanged tpa vs you (when opping you)
c) you have 50% tpa vs everyone else on the outside so people from the outside have 200% tpa vs you
Not at all. I enjoy the peace in the forum. I will not hog the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I should have sent a PM to Flutterby instead and thats how i will carry on if i need to adress this matter anymore.
csarmi if there was 200% tpa vs you Elit wouldnt have 80% but 100% success rate :D
Aww but the drama and the threats... this is better than tv ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Don't take it away from us :D
If that's the way it works, it's even buggier than I thought. It means you get +100% tpa and wpa on any ops into fortified, which means nobody in their right mind should ever go fortified to train. I cannot imagine that that's actually the case, since people would have cried about it to no end (pulse would have gotten completely farmed during their 8 days of fortified against rage last age, for instance).Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
I believe the bug is that fortified simply doesn't give -50% tpa/wpa. Bishop's statement "we coded it the same way we did for hits" doesn't negate this, since fortified DOES give -50% gains. You could even argue (as elit does) that this is the way it's supposed to work: the only problem with that argument is that the guide and age change lists are wrong since they list "-50% gains and effectiveness on magic and thievery ops in" (guide, though its bogus) and "-50% magic and thief operation effectiveness and gains" (age 55 changes - these do support the ludicrous bug that Persain is describing).
Sanc has very rarely used fortified during fights before, so it's no suprise that I'm not up on the level of bugginess. We had a 3-day hostile with warrior princess while they were in fortified last age, where it became clear that fortified gave them no penalty to wpa (nor us any bonus to wpa); I dutifully reported this bug (my mistake, I guess) but it was ignored. Both sides had superthieves and regular core provinces, so it wasn't clear to me whether the bug applied to thievery too. The way the change was written up and understood by me (and the way the guide implies it should be, once it's translated into english) is that fortified should be -50% gains and offensive effectiveness on ops both in and out (with the in part sliding in over 24 hours).
add it to your suggestions dorje!
It seems like it'd be more productive to just stop reporting bugs, and use the specialized information for our own benefit instead. Most bugs that I do report get a "no that's wrong" from bishop and they never get fixed. In an earlier era, I remember the "dwarf bug" where dwarves were supposed to get -30% TPA but instead had some ludicrous bug giving them something like +1000% offensive tpa. This bug too was disbelieved (and actively argued against by players who were dwarf and didn't want it to be fixed) for several ages before finally getting fixed one day (just in time to get us a war win versus brute).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tox
people should listen more to jdorje, he makes valid statements imo!Quote:
Originally Posted by jdorje
Were those players me? Where did you report this fortified bug?Quote:
Originally Posted by jdorje
Were you in sleepy, lust, brute, or one of the other dwarf kingdoms during those ages?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
(Actually I don't think lust lied about the bug. Sleepy and brute did, however. I don't remember who else was dwarf during the second age of the bug.)
http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...ed-tpa-wpa-bugQuote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Nope, i was not. I only tend to disbelieve bugs if i have strong evidence mechanics are working as intended. We'll look into the fortified nerfs/bonuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdorje
I still cant understand where is this tpa bug?
If you dont know how game work, learn it dorje. Its so easy to be ABS, sit on your ass age after age, hit small ghetto kds and have 1 kd for compete. This way for sure you cant learn much about game. Maybe you can try age for fun and just stay small and survive alone in ghetto range.
AND YOU STILL DIDN'T APOLOGIZE FOR ACCUSE US IN ABUSE GAME!!!
Start with apology your next post, you are start pissing me off...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elitbg
Are you related to Anri?
Hi Spartacus,Quote:
Originally Posted by I_am_Spartacus
I'm not really sure what your (and other Simians players) beef with Flutterby is, but it seems to be that you mad she didn't blindly follow THE LORD OF THE MONKEYS to her doom again. And again. And again. As seems to be your kingdom's strategy.
Are you jealous that she got out of the kingdom and you're still stuck in its cycle? If you had better players waiting, you should have no issue with the fact that she left and be over it by now. In fact, you should be happy about it.
Your following her around like a wounded puppy makes you look bad. Flutterby is a good player, and based on your 'tude it wouldn't surprise me if she were substantially better than you.
p.s. why are you posting in the forums, sheep?
p.p.s. Best monkey: http://russianmachineneverbreaks.tum...st/47034809987
I don't like when ppl accuse me in cheat or game abuse for his excuse. Game work how its work. I dont code it. If there is suspect for bug he can report it not blind accuse other ppl for use it on propose.Quote:
Originally Posted by I_am_Spartacus
maybe you I_am_Spartacus, don't care about your reputation but i care. Cheat is for n00bs.
Елит, намери си най-накрая лелка, дебел чичко :) че стана за резил тука да се изживяваш като фактора на играта ;)
Къде го видя това спа ? по ТВ-то ?:) или се гушкахте със пендела, соул_хънтъра и джакала на Бургас на топлата вода :)
TiLL why do you even care creating a new account when everybody knows its you behind this. There simply isnt any other pathetic loser like you around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elitgb