Proposal to end he Awar

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Originally Posted by Palem

Sorry, I don't treat the utopia forums like a police interrogation. I come in, say what I'm thinking and move on. I'll be sure to have my lawyers draw up some papers before my next post to make sure you don't haphazardly assume with 97% certainty what I mean.



The proof was your inability to provide proof. You provided a screenshot of a text conversation with some unnamed contact. If you're going to make accusations the burden of proof lies with you. Without any actual reason to believe you while you drone on and on for pages about how they're cheaters all you're doing is yelling fire in a movie theater and insisting to the police that they can't prove there wasn't a small fire. You're still going to jail.

For instance:
Flogger x-logs for all of BB.

Go ahead and prove me wrong.

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Pretty well put. Are you a lawyer by any chance?

I am friends with someone who spent 2 years in law school. So I'm 2/3 of a lawyer by association :p

2/3 of a law student maybe....

95% of law school grads are actually useless as lawyers because they are kids with no idea what life is like for their clients... To call them lawyers is kind. About three years out form law school after they have lived a little, they become lawyers.

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Originally Posted by Mithras

You accepted compensation for the transgressions.
You made a cf with the intent to dealbreak after everything was in the open.
You trumphed up a full conspiracy that never existed.
You kept spies in our LS chan.

Add to that the full dealbreak. The 2 on 1. Hitting into war. Lying to other kds to support you.

Nah, you probably did nothing. Except everything you accused us for. Times a hundred?

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Oh so now it's their fault for knowing about your attacking into eowcf? Yeah I guess none of this would have happened if you didn't get caught!

Why quote me if you intend to spread completely unrelated bullsh*t?

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Originally Posted by Sheister

2/3 of a law student maybe....

95% of law school grads are actually useless as lawyers because they are kids with no idea what life is like for their clients... To call them lawyers is kind. About three years out form law school after they have lived a little, they become lawyers.

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Originally Posted by Mithras

You accepted compensation for the transgressions.
You made a cf with the intent to dealbreak after everything was in the open.
You trumphed up a full conspiracy that never existed.
You kept spies in our LS chan.

Add to that the full dealbreak. The 2 on 1. Hitting into war. Lying to other kds to support you.

Nah, you probably did nothing. Except everything you accused us for. Times a hundred?

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We made a cf knowing we could dealbreak after. You all refusing to even punish your retirement ghettos growth ain't our fault. It's your failed diplomacy. I left the diplomacy with your leaders with them fully aware that nothing was resolved.

We aren't lying to the kds on our side and we don't have spies. Just one of 12 that has the common sense to admit Ya did wrong.

Isn't every cf made knowing you can dealbreak after?

Ok, so you took the compensation offered. You not only agreed to a cf but you actualy offered it yourself. But nothing was resolved?

Also, if you don't have spies you decline the offer of information offered by spies. If you take the intel they offer, voila and grats, you now have a spy. If you then also protects the spys identity, you also intend to use him again.

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Originally Posted by Palem

Isn't every cf made knowing you can dealbreak after?

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Sure, except I dunno around 3-4 days after making my thread was the last i did diplom on the matter. Emeriti was making proposals by saying "is this enough for you to honor the existing deal?" And I never said yes. This was asked numerous times. We never had a resolution (the last offer being bour take himself out, which they said no) and diplomacy stopped. If you're asking that question 5 times in the matter of an hour, clearly you know a dealbreak is on the table and you should continue trying to do diplo. They didn't.

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Originally Posted by flogger

Sure, except I dunno around 3-4 days after making my thread was the last i did diplom on the matter. Emeriti was making proposals by saying "is this enough for you to honor the existing deal?" And I never said yes. This was asked numerous times. We never had a resolution (the last offer being bour take himself out, which they said no) and diplomacy stopped. If you're asking that question 5 times in the matter of an hour, clearly you know a dealbreak is on the table and you should continue trying to do diplo. They didn't.

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Ok, learning alot here.

1: When dealing with flogger don't focus on the deal but try to second guess what he means
2: When flogger makes a deal he always reserves the right to break it if he feels that is a better option
3: When trying to do the right thing with flogger he will always accept what you offer but keeps it a secret if matters is resolved or not.
4: Flogger will not tell you what he wants cuz if he does and he gets it he can't dealbreak with credibility
5: Flogger will stall diplo indefinetly by not stating what he wants so that he can blame the opponent for not doing diplo

The mere fact that "is this enough for you to honor the existing deal?" was asked five times clearly shows that Emeriti did everything they could to compensate Flogger but since that Flogger already was set on a dealbreak no matter what it was more important to him to keep emeriti in the dark than any form of compensation. If you want the dealbreak that bad, then there will be a dealbreak. But to blame it on emeriti is just lame.

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Originally Posted by flogger

Sure, except I dunno around 3-4 days after making my thread was the last i did diplom on the matter. Emeriti was making proposals by saying "is this enough for you to honor the existing deal?" And I never said yes. This was asked numerous times. We never had a resolution (the last offer being bour take himself out, which they said no) and diplomacy stopped. If you're asking that question 5 times in the matter of an hour, clearly you know a dealbreak is on the table and you should continue trying to do diplo. They didn't.

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What you're saying is, if you don't explicitly agree to not dealbreak, you can dealbreak?

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Originally Posted by Palem

What you're saying is, if you don't explicitly agree to not dealbreak, you can dealbreak?

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To act as if it's your standard utopian diplo after a 20 page thread over the first top eow mass razing I can recall is just silly

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Originally Posted by Mithras

Ok, learning alot here.

1: When dealing with flogger don't focus on the deal but try to second guess what he means
2: When flogger makes a deal he always reserves the right to break it if he feels that is a better option
3: When trying to do the right thing with flogger he will always accept what you offer but keeps it a secret if matters is resolved or not.
4: Flogger will not tell you what he wants cuz if he does and he gets it he can't dealbreak with credibility
5: Flogger will stall diplo indefinetly by not stating what he wants so that he can blame the opponent for not doing diplo

The mere fact that "is this enough for you to honor the existing deal?" was asked five times clearly shows that Emeriti did everything they could to compensate Flogger but since that Flogger already was set on a dealbreak no matter what it was more important to him to keep emeriti in the dark than any form of compensation. If you want the dealbreak that bad, then there will be a dealbreak. But to blame it on emeriti is just lame.

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Holy terrible logic batman

#willnotgetdrawnintowallofterribletext
#willnotgetdrawnintowallofterribletext

But to answer your question Mithras, anyone with experience isnt having to guess what my intentions were. The dense crowd that currently sits in emeriti's council these days are clueless, but I was doing diplo with zauper at that point and he's not clueless.

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Originally Posted by flogger

Holy terrible logic batman

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Hell man, enlighten me. You make zero sense so far. Really want to know what you actualy mean. I can't use any other info about your reasoning than the info you give me.

So far I have:
You dealbroke us cuz we didn't do enough to prevent it even though we asked you what you wanted to not do it. You didn't say anything and went along and did it. Logic says you really wanted it, no matter what.

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Originally Posted by Mithras

Hell man, enlighten me. You make zero sense so far. Really want to know what you actualy mean. I can't use any other info about your reasoning than the info you give me.

So far I have:
You dealbroke us cuz we didn't do enough to prevent it even though we asked you what you wanted to not do it. You didn't say anything and went along and did it. Logic says you really wanted it, no matter what.

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Let's start with "we didn't know what you wanted". Diplo ended with me saying we would be fine with bour killing himself, which we Coulda done in 2 waves ourselves but didn't want to be stuck with his ops for 3 weeks which just gifts you a crown. This was the last and least punitive and most reasonable offer we made, which was rejected by Asf and later rejected by zauper when communicating with your council.

After which diplomacy stopped as you didn't offer us anyone to punish for what we thought was incredible ****play.