Proposal to end he Awar

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24-06-2015, 23:10
DoOrDie

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Originally Posted by Pale

WPA loss, science loss, etc is not fixable. You keep saying the same thing even though it's obviously not true. You can only really offer land and gc but that does not "ensure that BB's position was as good or better. You and bour can't give some things back to us just based on game mechanics alone. Then we find out it was at your suggestion that bour does the aggregious act in the first place. Once you send your friend in to do this, do you really deserve a fair 1v1 war? We would say no, you obviously disagree. You can call us the bad guys, blame us, do whatever you like. You've been doing it already. We didn't suggest to our friend that he hit into eowcf and interrupt our opponents pump. That would be you.

You do understand that every variable in utopia is directly dependant of acres right?
You also realize that it was 380 acres aka 1.5% of your total? You also realize 1.5% of your total land in active science isn't a lot of sciences?
You also realize the right after the "aggregious act", everything was offered back + compensation?
You also realize that nobody sent me? All Emeriti wanted was that I wouldn't farm out.
You also realize that I didn't raze to interrupt your pump? I razed to protect my #1 province and my kingdom.
24-06-2015, 23:16
flogger

Further ASF - go back and read our text messages. The last texts only discussed bour taking himself out, nothing with emeriti. Our texts aren't that long. This was our last diplo, if I recall. Zauper was after that.

Just because you say things over and over again and are worked up, it doesn't make them "facts"
24-06-2015, 23:23
DoOrDie

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Originally Posted by flogger

Further ASF - go back and read our text messages. The last texts only discussed bour taking himself out, nothing with emeriti. Our texts aren't that long. This was our last diplo, if I recall. Zauper was after that.

Just because you say things over and over again and are worked up, it doesn't make them "facts"

Considering this was posted a few times already:
[03:29:29] <+bour> I've been thinking about this since yesterday and I think it was a mistake to hit into eowcf. I always tried to upheld myself to the highest possible moral standards, except when people were complete ass. BB werent ass to us or to almost anyone in the game. Sadly, all they want is either to kill us or to war us. I'll probably delete my province in a couple of hours and altough it doesnt repair the damage done to BB, I feel it's the best decision to make at this moment.

If all you wanted to solve this was me to take myself out, why didn't protector ask for that instead of making a 2.1k acres and size cap?
24-06-2015, 23:27
flogger

I asked and Asf said he didn want to ask you to do that. He said you offerred that. I said for him to nudge you then.

Just seems like bad diplo by you guys all around. Stop deflecting blame.
24-06-2015, 23:29
Pale

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Originally Posted by DoOrDie

You do understand that every variable in utopia is directly dependant of acres right?
You also realize that it was 380 acres aka 1.5% of your total? You also realize 1.5% of your total land in active science isn't a lot of sciences?
You also realize the right after the "aggregious act", everything was offered back + compensation?
You also realize that nobody sent me? All Emeriti wanted was that I wouldn't farm out.
You also realize that I didn't raze to interrupt your pump? I razed to protect my #1 province and my kingdom.

You realize that some things are based on acres and TIME. You can't give time back.
24-06-2015, 23:34
DoOrDie

Quote:

Originally Posted by flogger

I asked and Asf said he didn want to ask you to do that. He said you offerred that. I said for him to nudge you then.

Just seems like bad diplo by you guys all around. Stop deflecting blame.

I'm not sure you quite understand how negociations work. You ask for A, other people ask for B, you talk and eventually agree on something. That's exactly what happend here: you wanted me to take myself out, asf didnt want that, eventually me and protector agreed on something. So by bad diplo, you probably mean trusting BB?
24-06-2015, 23:46
flogger

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Originally Posted by DoOrDie

I'm not sure you quite understand how negociations work. You ask for A, other people ask for B, you talk and eventually agree on something. That's exactly what happend here: you wanted me to take myself out, asf didnt want that, eventually me and protector agreed on something. So by bad diplo, you probably mean trusting BB?

whatever you and prot worked out was like 2 weeks later cause Ya had gone to fw, the "real" diplo was done by then.
24-06-2015, 23:50
Sheister

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Originally Posted by lampost

Sheister, They seem to be pretty inconsistent. Aranfein seems to be agreeing that its about revenge, the compensation offered was irrelevant. You're basing the whole GB and Dealbreak on the fact that a fair offer of compensation was not given.

No I base everything on being justified by a conspiracy. The compensation offered was insufficient. And revenge can be the primary motive. Those things are not inconsistent.
25-06-2015, 00:03
lampost

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Originally Posted by Sheister

No I base everything on being justified by a conspiracy. The compensation offered was insufficient. And revenge can be the primary motive. Those things are not inconsistent.

1. Revenge, dont care about compensation offered. Would have GB'd and DB either way.

2. The compensation offered not enough. Had it been enough, then it would have ended peacefully.

Cant be both.
25-06-2015, 00:05
AMP

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Originally Posted by Anri

You know nothing Mithras...

Best thing out of this thread!
25-06-2015, 00:12
DoOrDie

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Originally Posted by flogger

whatever you and prot worked out was like 2 weeks later cause Ya had gone to fw, the "real" diplo was done by then.

Protector's offer was February 24 of YR1, razes were July 10-11th YR0. ~61 hours. He also said his offer was a fair compromise.

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25-06-2015, 01:25
Sheister

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Originally Posted by lampost

1. Revenge, dont care about compensation offered. Would have GB'd and DB either way.

2. The compensation offered not enough. Had it been enough, then it would have ended peacefully.

Cant be both.

OK, you argue like a 5 year old.... so I will give you it right back. You simply are not worth more effort.

"nu uh!"
25-06-2015, 01:32
lampost

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Originally Posted by Sheister

OK, you argue like a 5 year old.... so I will give you it right back. You simply are not worth more effort.

"nu uh!"

When you are older you will understand.
25-06-2015, 02:01
tetley

I mean if you insist, bour, then you can look at this another way. You "razed to protect your province," presumably thinking it was a good idea and fair play. Then Emeriti protected you and vouched for you, so they took responsibility of your act by proxy.

"It's a funny feeling being taken under the wing of a dragon. It's warmer than you'd think."
25-06-2015, 02:14
bitchup420

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Originally Posted by Sheister

I think we need a proxy war where we each aid a 17 province ghetto to greatness against the other

We shall call it...Ukrainatopia

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