Did Sanct and Mother Advice notice?

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Originally Posted by Zauper

Invisibility (+10% for SBL), and BT (-10% for magikarp) as well. Presumably they're both lords?

If the wiki is wrong, you could correct it. If the wiki isn't wrong, there aren't stacked effectiveness penalties, only one. (same goes for you, persain). The way the wiki is currently written, there is only a penalty for opping into fort, no penalty for opping out.

Assuming the wiki is correct:

4*2.17*1.21*1.03*.9=9.73. 6.3*1.57*1.4*1.5*1.1*1.03=23.5*.5=11.76

11.76 tpa vs 9.73 tpa. Offhand, it wouldn't surprise me if the halfer were able to steal effectively, and my understanding is that's what they're doing.

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I think it's safe to assume that there is a typo in the guide since penalties for thievery and magic is mentioned twice.
First in:
-50% gains and effectiveness on magic and thievery ops in (slides in over a period of 24 hours)
And then again in:
-50% gains and effectiveness on magic and thievery ops in

The second one should obviously say out instead of in in order to be consistent with the lines about attacks in and out.
When taking that into account the relative tpa difference between the two provinces shouldn't change because of fortified, hence successrate would stay the same.

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Originally Posted by Persain

Either im confused or you are jdorje. Its -75% damage per op with a zero -mod to tpa when oping through double fort.

Both kds have a -50% tpa mod, one to def, one to offense so they negate each other and instead of a 4 geting oped by a 6 its turns into a 2 geting oped by a 3. Since success rate is based on relative tpa and 6/4=3/2 theres no lowered success rate.

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You aren't supposed to have a negative modifier to your tpa in fortified. You are supposed to have a -50% for opping out and others are supposed to have a -50% for opping in. If it isn't so, that's either a bug, or a total miscommunication on fortified effects. Which is quite a shame.

18tpa mod vs 11tpa mod from forty into forty should have a rather bad success rate.

Why am I not surprised that another crucial mechanics works buggy?

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Originally Posted by Elldallan

I think it's safe to assume that there is a typo in the guide since penalties for thievery and magic is mentioned twice.
First in:
-50% gains and effectiveness on magic and thievery ops in (slides in over a period of 24 hours)
And then again in:
-50% gains and effectiveness on magic and thievery ops in

The second one should obviously say out instead of in in order to be consistent with the lines about attacks in and out.
When taking that into account the relative tpa difference between the two provinces shouldn't change because of fortified, hence successrate would stay the same.

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Except (again, the way it was written) it reduces gains and effectiveness of ops in/out -- not the relative twpa of you when you're not opping. So it should read "-50% gains and effective TWPA for non-self spells" in order to be consistent with your/Persain's articulation of the penalty.

The way it's written, your TWPA would stay the same for DEFENSIVE purposes, but be reduced OFFENSIVELY.

Fortified is definitely a bit wonky. Was getting robbed earlier this age by a human through full fort and he was taking 11.0% of my total gold per op without any relations. So much for -50% gains. I was mad.

And double fort should give -75% offensive tpa to both kds (and no impact on defensive tpa) and -75% gains to both kds. If 18tpa (4.5 through double fort) can op 11tpa then there is obviously a problem.

Petrified, were they hostile to you?

Because if you get hostile to someone (ie your kd attacks them say 8 times), your thievery damage goes up.

I did clearly say without any relations. It was melee weapons.

okay just wanted to make sure :)

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Originally Posted by jdorje

I'm quite certain Mom knew about this mechanic (they would have had to see it repeatedly during their long hostile with faery circle), and they've taken advantage of it beautifully. Had we also known about it, obviously we would have run things a bit differently.

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I really don't like when ppl accuse me in game abuse or cheat. Special when its come from abs!
Last age 90% from time in my hostile with TFC only 1 from both kds was in fort stance and never both kds keep dragons for long. They gone for few tick. So situation was complete different from now.
Im expect apology for this nonsense.

It doesn't appear to mod effectivness of WPA/TPA. But it definitally effects gains. I am guessing its just not working properly or perhaps communication error.

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Originally Posted by jdorje

I take that to mean you think I can't tell the difference between -75% tpa and -0% tpa? You are incorrect.

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Who has -75% tpa?

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Who has -75% tpa?

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Entering Fortified stance will result in -50% magic and thief operation effectiveness and gains. This kicks in immediately for the fortified kingdom and slides in over 24 hours for the rest.


this makes it sound like a KD opping out of fortified into full fortified would have a -50% mod and a -50% mod. Assuming multiply them. = -75% effectivness and gains

It could be that fortified gives -50% offensive and defensive TPA in which case double fort would result in no gains penalty? But then opping into fort should be really easy but give -50% gains? I am guessing this may be issue? Uncertain! Too lazy to test!

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Who has -75% tpa?

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if KD "A' and KD "B" are both in fortified, a player from KD "A" opping a player from KD "B" should have:

- 50% for his thieves effectiveness (tpa) for opping out from his fortified (because he is in fortified)
- an additional -50% for his thieves effectiveness (tpa) for opping into KD "B"'s fortified

0.5*0.5 = 0.25 (-75%)

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Originally Posted by Petrified

And double fort should give -75% offensive tpa to both kds (and no impact on defensive tpa) and -75% gains to both kds. If 18tpa (4.5 through double fort) can op 11tpa then there is obviously a problem.

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Originally Posted by csarmi

You aren't supposed to have a negative modifier to your tpa in fortified. You are supposed to have a -50% for opping out and others are supposed to have a -50% for opping in. If it isn't so, that's either a bug, or a total miscommunication on fortified effects. Which is quite a shame.

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The way it works, and has for a while, is when in fort you do 50% less damage per op. You also have 50% less damage done to you. When oping cross fort thats 75% reduced damage.

However you ALSO have 50% reduced tpa & wpa when oping out or someone else is oping in....i've seen success rates go up and down THIS age depending on if we're in fort or not, or oping into fort. Now bishop may say im wrong (even though i swear i've herd what im saying confrimed) but these are the mechanics i've seen in action. Thus when oping cross fort you have NO mods to tpa/wpa since success rates are dependent on relative values.

you guys cant be serious about this....fyi

http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...nd-Start-Times

"Entering Fortified stance will result in -50% magic and thief operation effectiveness and gains. This kicks in immediately for the fortified kingdom and slides in over 24 hours for the rest."


This is an age 55 change, you lose 50% tpa/wpa when oping out, or when someone is oping in. As well damange is 50%. so cross fort damage-75% cross for tpa/wpa mod=0

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Originally Posted by goodz

It could be that fortified gives -50% offensive and defensive TPA in which case double fort would result in no gains penalty? But then opping into fort should be really easy but give -50% gains? I am guessing this may be issue? Uncertain! Too lazy to test!

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Tested in age 55, confirmed this age through use a few weeks ago....yes, thats the way it works.