damn - i was just about to make one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
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damn - i was just about to make one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
If you bother reading the previous statements, it was made clear that (and you might want to pay attention):Quote:
Originally Posted by Relic
- We had a blank CF with elit, which could be lifted if we were about to give acres to his direct competition (this was made pre-age)
- His main competition (you) gave notice, thus the chances of us giving acres were great
- He informed us he would wave as per agreement, and we responded that we would retal
- We knew this could happen, so why should we be offended? They play for a crown, we dont.
- "you think" "you assume" but, you dont k n o w - thats the key reference concerning your posts
To me it looks like you made a very bad deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCurious
Also you only pushed the meter to hostile, and your intention was never to actually war.
Now if this is true, then Elit has gone behind our backs and trying to get such deals.
do you bother to read previous postings?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurking Ghost
we were gathering armies to retal AMA then you guys doubled us. How could we even war AMA? We would however retal war them because we will not give free waves - something we're doing with PewPew at the moment.
To even say we would contemplate warring AMA or PewPew (both 80k acres bigger than us at start of the hostiles) is moronic - atleast we didn't reset and run like lil girls.
I love how people outside of Jerks seem to know more about Jerks than what I do.....
AMA were free to remove the ingame cf whenever they wanted to (we had no set deal with them) - that was their decision to do so. They removed it, hit and we retalled with w/e armies we had home / active at the time. If you have an issue with AMA then take it up with them. As far as I'm concerned we're now retalling PewPew and thats all I care about now.
The meter has a problem going further then hostile. There are no "ultra hostile" "or very much so hostile".Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurking Ghost
Who is it you claim we had intentions to war? The kd with 85k more acres or the one with 100k more acres?
whos farming out? im pretty sure we retalled AMA and would of kept retalling them until a cf was put in place - PewPew however forced us to turn our attention elsewhere with our gathered armies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Relic
try and spin this age much as you want - Jerks will never farmout or give free waves for cf's. We'll rather go down fighting (like we doing with PewPew hostile) vs resetting / deleting / giving out free waves.
Blah blah blah, of course Pew is in the wrong according to you lmao. "We called, we txt, we SMS'ed" I'll take that with a grain of salt hah this was planned all along. There really isn't anything you can do or say to make me believe other wise. You all can CRY double hostile all you want..Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCurious
Tetely, the only difference in the conflict with us and AMA involving Strippers was we were at WAR.. Unfortunately for Jerks and AMA they were not. Sending out 5 armies just to set up a "Hotile relations" to a kd, and make the other look bad is a bit demented but I guess that's diplo in the top. Bottom line is MrC donesn't know much about diplomatic strategies.. lol
Retal war? Yeah, it's a retal war alright.. "Refuse to give free acres"? Hah, have you checked the summary between the two kingdoms? Not really going your alls way at the moment lolQuote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy|
There you go again telling us you know exactly what our plans were. I find it quite amusing that a outside player knows more then we do. What exactly did i do wrong with diplomacy? I had talks with both binar and petrified which lead to nothing. Only option was to give free acres, so i guess you feel it is considered bad diplo to not accept being ****ed in the ass by your kd, right? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sydex
Bottom line here is you hit into a hostile out of hate for AMA. You are as dirty as you claim they are, so stop pretending otherwise. Just admit that you are a whore for acres instead of trying to hide it.
Does it make you feel tough outgaining a kd 100k acres smaller - if your answer is yes, then i feel sorry for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by sydex
Enjoy your dirty double hostile acres, atleast our rep stays clean.
FYI, giving free acres is allowing to be hit with no retals. Fighting for the acres = not giving free acres. I hope to have cleared that up for you now.
I don't know what you expect to happen when you're wondering around in the t5.. Stay NAP'ed to everyone? Maybe you should take a page out of Mansoors book.. First age SWEA been a full kd, he's done his diplo parts (By giving waves to AMA among others) and look where he is.. If you have no intentions on being in the top, then you're just bait. Accept your role and move on.. And no, we didn't hit into AMA's wave out of hate, as stated before were ripe for the pickin, and we had no diplo in place, we're aiming to crown.. So.. Why wouldn't we want to wave you? Is it our fault you went to AMA after Pendel threatened to farm out to AMA? Is it ou fault AMA set up a shady diplo deal with you? Giving you a CF until we wanted to wave.. Nope..Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCurious
We'r doing what we had intended on doing.. Gaining acres off of you.. They're not free, no. But we're gaining acres so I'd say we're pretty content. We're NAP'ed with everyone else because they know how to diplo lolQuote:
Originally Posted by MrCurious
You have been napped with everyone else since preage. And you refuse any diplo talks from us. So yeah, blame it on our diplo skills if that makes you feel any better about taking acres via a double hostile, vs a much much smaller kd.Quote:
Originally Posted by sydex
If you didn't have your backs covered with CFs with the kds you know would beat you, you would be in our position eating crap yr9, 10, 11 CFs. Thats the best we can get seeing as we are not part of the big group of friendly KDs holding hands. Welcome to Utopia.
You seem to have a habit of talking about things you dont have a clue about, please stop.Quote:
Maybe you should take a page out of Mansoors book.. First age SWEA been a full kd, he's done his diplo parts (By giving waves to AMA among others) and look where he is..
The only kd's really holding hands was aabs, SWEA has managed to stick in there through diplo.. As I said before, take a page out of Mansoors book. He's put his pride aside and done what was needed to keep his kd in the top. You refused diplo and wanted things your way, which in the end proved to be the "not-so-best" route as right now you're in a retal war that seems to have no end in sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCurious
If you don't WANT to be in the top, then accept your role and be farmed.
You had no diplo in place, because your monarch turned down our attempts to diplo. And your monarch said you were not trying to crown as it was too late, so maybe clear it with him before you make him a liar. I already told you we informed our ally that you gave notice, and we did not make any shady deal with AMA. Again, you had 0 part in this, so why keep yapping about what you think you know. You keep saying AMA set something up with us, yet the only ones who know what happened are us, and not you. I know you only get the info your monarch wants you to see, but please, enough already. We already established you are a peon with no part of the decission making in your kd, so why insist on throwing around home made "facts".Quote:
Originally Posted by sydex
I did not refuse diplo. Petrified told me he would fight us till EoA out of boredom. That doesn't leave much room for diplo. You have had preage CFs with AMA, BB and Simians - if we had the same, we would be on your size. My point being, we managed to stay within 80-90k of you, without anyone helping us or making sure we could maintain 30% draft and extreme sci/massive guilds. You still need to resort to such dirty acts as double hostiling a smaller kd to try to farm acres onto your core, so you have a better shot at crowning. See my point?Quote:
Originally Posted by sydex
MrCurious 3Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCurious
SpyderX -4 (since he's also a wannabee)
You're contradicting yourself based on this post and the one after this one.. You can deny everything, I don't mind. The people INVOLVED know the truth. I'll be the bigger man and let you get the last word, but you're not fooling anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCurious
Good thing there's no SpyderX on this forum. Lol, it's okay.. Your name says enough for me to know you're of no importanceQuote:
Originally Posted by ABSLover
Then you have something in common.Quote:
Originally Posted by sydex
I dont know why you argue sydex. I told Jerks from begin if other competitor try gain land on them we can wave/hit them first. Its was weeks ago. AMA avoided Hit them because we consider Jerks for close friends and i don't farm friends like Pew Pew farmed Stripers x2. Last age When pew pew won war and grow much every one in top 5 wanted to farm them. Pew Pew Treat ABS with farm out to AMA and abs contacted us. No One from ABS treat with GB Pew Pew how you did with Jerks for "farm out to ama". ABS propose pact deal for all ABS+HoH+AMA CF Pew Pew so no one can gain from them and all balance stay same. AMA accepted it and You guys got one from best deals in utopia History. Now this age Jerks asked AMA if we can stay eoa away from them so they can get CF from Pew Pew. WE agree again. Only difference is Pew Pew decide to act worst from ABS last age and go for farm Jerks when you was "friendly" kds too.
Our Hostile was real. I dont need fake hostile with Jerks for gain land. We know very well how game work. Pew Pew wave was in real active hostile.
U hit into dealbreakers war u know. Not that im against it(hitting them) but u hit a "friendly" kd and noticed them too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
So are you blame us for hit them or not?
MrCurious 4Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCurious
SpyderX -5 (failed troll)
Binar 1
Abslover 0
> implying superior diplo is how you got where you areQuote:
Originally Posted by sydex
> from someone in a kingdom with an entire-age NAP with three other top 10 kingdoms
> from someone who has had to face at most one legitimate threat the entire age
top jokes.
It's more than a bit rich, you insulting our diplo, when you have spent 80% of the age whoring and pumping sci, safely napped with the kingdoms closest to you on the charts.
Jerks won three clean wars in our path to t5.
2 of your 3 WWs were virtually free wins due to outside influence and a huge initial advantage.
We have had to do diplo with 10+ kingdoms, whereas you have had to do diplo with 2.
Yeah man, go ahead and talk about how much better you are, lol.
It's also silly that you draw a hard line between right and wrong at the war status. Like I said, you deciding that our AMA hostile is illegitimate and hitting into it is, in principle, no different than AMA deciding your Strippers war was illegitimate and hitting into it. As I already asked you, are you suggesting it would have been okay if AMA hit Strippers before the button was pushed and only after 5 hits? No, you would still have been mad because they were interfering. You don't get to call your conflict legit and arbitrarily decide ours isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by sydex
Finally, the absurdity of you saying "the people INVOLVED know the truth" as you tell members of Jerks that they are wrong about the diplo that THEY did.... just lol man, plz go.
1.We end up top 5 cause noone dared to war us for so long, hell we had to do crazy things and war strippers vs 3 cows advantage!Quote:
Originally Posted by sydex
2.We gave your kingdom cf since start of age in attempt not to stop you guys and rest from beating absalom, all was in good intention - next we get is backstab, cause trust me I could have made your age terrible.
3.I never threated to farm out, I asked petrified that he push me to farm land to his opponents in attempt to make a cf, which failed.
4.AMA is close friends to us but since start of age we had a deal they can break cf if things go very wrong and someone decide to outrun with our land .
5. I think I promise to you - you will never win a crown!
I also wonder what will happen next age when Jerks is bigger than pew ? You gona mass reset again? Chickens!
The people involved do know the truth. And it's pretty obvious to those of us not involved either.
Jerks set it up to get double waved. AMA took advantage of the situation like they should have. PewPew cries again about how everything gets taken from them.
Jerks need to stop whining about how no one could have possibly known what was going on. Do a better job of setting up your fake hostile and then maybe you can cry about it.
Pewpew shouldn't have gone in knowing that AMA is looking for a reason the attention of foul play onto Pew. You got outplayed.
Good on you AMA for finding ways to stay on top. Doesn't dim the spotlight you earned earlier though. No matter how much you try pointing fingers.
another person that knows more about this than me? so interesting how outsiders know more than what Jerks leaders do.Quote:
Originally Posted by georgette
we've worked hard to get into the t5 this age (via Warring and some xploring) - its our 1st age for the current Jerks crew and leadership structure, why on earth would we farm out to anyone?
its the way of the game, big eat small. PewPew could of waited for our hostile with AMA to end then they could wave us.
Arbaal, Bigboy and Twisty (in PewPew) - you guys really think I would let someone farm my kingdom? You guys really think I would run to a fake hostile to avoid PewPew? You guys have known me long enough to know the answer.
I dont give a flying fcuk what happens between AMA and PewPew - I left the 'top' circles many ages ago so I can avoid the BS politics up there. Jerks will not farm out to anyone and anyone expecting to get free waves on Jerks can kiss my ass.
I'm glad being 85k acres bigger than us with cows makes you feel like a big man in this situation. You da man!Quote:
Originally Posted by sydex
I can vouch that Jerks won't give out free acres, but I also find AMA still more the bad guy in this than Pew Pew.
Elit can spin it how he wants about how "nice and fair and friendly he is" but when I tried diplo as his "allies" and asked for a delay on hits so we could war, he used Dictatorship diplomacy. There was no regard for our situation, no friendliness in it at all, so I cannot at all believe he approached Jerks in a friendly manner. He also imo ****played Pew Pew, you can't go along saying "We had dibs on Strippers, so when they went and hid in war with another kingdom we just vultured them", and then cry when Pew Pew do the same thing. Double standards supreme.
Again, the kingdom I feel sorry for is Jerks here.
Elit, while you claim that this is real active hostile, Pew also did claim it was real active war in their previous war. So assuming both are real, I would say hitting into active war is worse than active hostile (not saying that hitting into active hostile is right, also a douche move lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
AMA CF expired with Stripers yr3. We had only 48h notice deal. Tell me how many kds vulture/hit Stripers from yr 3 till we gave you notice yr9? We had so many good chances to vulture you but we never did it. Few days BEFORE we give you notice i told you we cant keep avoid more Stripers. You cant complain at all how AMA treat Stripers this age. When ppl offer you good deal for EOA CF you take it not Run in fake war with cancel your CF with other KD. Do you see Pew Pew make any reasonable deal propose to Jerks? No they just told them: we will farm you and its all. When i was this rude with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by jamin
First war was arranged cow fight second war was again. Im not tell it random. Problem with Second war from Stripers and Pew Pew is how they made it. Both kds have CF till yr 10. This is not matter only for both kds. Its affect all rest kds in range because we know they CANT WAR. When we gave notice Stripers they don't had any legit option for hostile/war other kingdom. I can understand if they had real chances for win vs Pew Pew But its was clear farming out on propose just for not let us get land. Not only this but both kds IGNORE all my pm till 5 min before war started. I did all what i can for talk them and find proper solution. They choice to ignore diplo and we know how its end.Quote:
Originally Posted by siewpau
Yeah guys. Keep saying that Strippers had a shot at winning against Pewpew... :)
Pewpew whined last age even though Abs gave them deals twice. Pew grew into the top last age after winning a war and when everyone wanted to farm them and pew had no leverage they threatened to farm out to AMA. Obviously farming out would not be tolerated same way it was not this age yet we gave pewpew a deal that benefitted them but did not benefit us. Then when they vultured Sanc and grew from it and they were going to be in range of Rage to be farmed once more we gave them a deal that THEY asked for yet when it came time to fight they were not happy how much stronger we were and ended up resetting themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
The clear take away here is pewpew is not a top level kingdom. They only want to fight the fights that they know they can win but when someone better/stronger comes along they will whine and play dirty to avoid farming out.
Proteus 1Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
Binar -2 (for being a funny hypocrite)
Same thing goes for every other top kd that has existed in at least the past 10 ages, they only want to fight the battles they believe they can win(sometime they find out they were wrong tho), because fighting and loosing usually means any chance of crowning goes with it never to be seen again. The ****plays from last age is an excellent example of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
I don't agree with this. True top kingdoms with a sense of pride will fight back or negotiate and give up land if they think taking a small loss now will let them get back into things and have a chance to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elldallan
There were times we declared war when we were not the favorite and unlikely to win and other kingdoms like BB pushed the button on us when they were massive underdogs. Other times kingdoms ended up giving up a wave early in the age only to crown or end bigger than the kingdoms who they received the free wave.
The difference between that and pewpew is that pewpew has no proven consistent winning record over top kingdom crown holders and has no crowns. Also anyone who has any sense of pride in their kingdom will either war, fight back without warring and give the other kingdom hell, give up a wave (losing more than if a fight is pursued) and rebound later in the age but kingdoms who do things like delete, landdrop, reset, or hack the other kingdom to avoid fights are spineless and all they do is prove that they are no where in the same league. People who are smart realize that positioning changes every age and its a dynamic game, you can't always be in a better position than all of your enemies so being caught in a bad spot can happen to anyone