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Originally Posted by Persain

Either im confused or you are jdorje. Its -75% damage per op with a zero -mod to tpa when oping through double fort.

Both kds have a -50% tpa mod, one to def, one to offense so they negate each other and instead of a 4 geting oped by a 6 its turns into a 2 geting oped by a 3. Since success rate is based on relative tpa and 6/4=3/2 theres no lowered success rate.

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You are saying we could stop robbing by leaving fortified. That is incorrect. Fortified does not give you -50% tpa on incoming ops. That would mean robbing someone into fortified (from normal stance) would be twice as easy.

It is -75% damage per op with a zero (or likely zero) mod to tpa when opping through double fort. Fortified, presumably, is -50% damage per op with a zero mod to tpa.

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Originally Posted by Persain

you guys cant be serious about this....fyi

http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...nd-Start-Times

"Entering Fortified stance will result in -50% magic and thief operation effectiveness and gains. This kicks in immediately for the fortified kingdom and slides in over 24 hours for the rest."


This is an age 55 change, you lose 50% tpa/wpa when oping out, or when someone is oping in. As well damange is 50%. so cross fort damage-75% cross for tpa/wpa mod=0

Tested and yes, thats the way it works.

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That makes no sense to me. So do I op from normal into fort at +50% effectivness? Why would me going into fort increase my effectivness? Clearly something is buggy.

Thanks goodz/csarmi - yes, the stances should stack and as far as i am aware they do, we copied the land hit mods that fortified already have.

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Originally Posted by flutterby

Wow, like this hasn't been said in every other abs thread.

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First and only warning i will give you:

Rules apply for you regarding Simians and its members - You dont talk to Simian members and you dont speak our name.
If you do and when you do you die ingame. These rules will apply for you til you retire out of this game.

With that said:

If you like to speak, do so, dont mention Simians and dont respond to its members with cocky attitude.
I hope i have i expressed myself clear enough.

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Originally Posted by Zauper

Except (again, the way it was written) it reduces gains and effectiveness of ops in/out -- not the relative twpa of you when you're not opping. So it should read "-50% gains and effective TWPA for non-self spells" in order to be consistent with your/Persain's articulation of the penalty.

The way it's written, your TWPA would stay the same for DEFENSIVE purposes, but be reduced OFFENSIVELY.

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You are correct of course, I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Thanks goodz/csarmi - yes, the stances should stack and as far as i am aware they do, we copied the land hit mods that fortified already have.

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It seems to cancel out rather then stack so something must be wrong. But not enough data to figure what it is. It is either fortified just gives the KD in fort -50% tpa/wpa or it gives them +50% tpa/wpa. So double fort would cancel. At least that is my best guess. But based on numbers from dorje it should be a guy on around 18tpa (4.5 with double fort) opping a guy with 11. for 80% success. Clearly something buggy :D. But you can look at the 2 provs he posted earlier in thread easily enough :D

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Originally Posted by goodz

That makes no sense to me. So do I op from normal into fort at +50% effectivness? Why would me going into fort increase my effectivness? Clearly something is buggy.

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sry perhaps im not clear.

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Originally Posted by jdorje

You are saying we could stop robbing by leaving fortified. That is incorrect. Fortified does not give you -50% tpa on incoming ops. That would mean robbing someone into fortified (from normal stance) would be twice as easy.

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If you stop, leave fort and start oping you get 50% reduced gains instead of 75% and you now have a twice the tpa when oping ....its not exactly 2 times the success rate (or 1/2 the faild rates on you), but oping into fort is incredibly easy.

This was the exact Case last age when we war-ed pewpew. We hit fort to reduce our land losses but i went from multiple failed ops to them casting the crap out a me. you lose 50% tpa/wpa in fort....even if your not supposed to you do.

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Originally Posted by Anri

First and only warning i will give you:

Rules apply for you regarding Simians and its members - You dont talk to Simian members and you dont speak our name.
If you do and when you do you die ingame. These rules will apply for you til you retire out of this game.

With that said:

If you like to speak, do so, dont mention Simians and dont respond to its members with cocky attitude.
I hope i have i expressed myself clear enough.

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I thought all members of your rooster had cocky attitudes!

Ha rooster puns

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Originally Posted by goodz

I thought all members of your rooster had cocky attitudes!

Ha rooster puns

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lol good one Goodz :)

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Thanks goodz/csarmi - yes, the stances should stack and as far as i am aware they do, we copied the land hit mods that fortified already have.

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There's no concept of defensive gains in land, Gains would work like this

Gain= Normal gains * our stance* their stance =>normal gains *.5*.5=normal gains *.75.

Tpa works like this. your mod tpa/their mod tpa.

mod tpa=normal mod TPA*stance=normal mod tpa*.5

Thus double fort is (your Normal tpa*.5)/(thier Normal tpa*.5) and you cancel out the fort stance effects.

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Originally Posted by Persain

sry perhaps im not clear.

If you stop, leave fort and start oping you get 50% reduced gains instead of 75% and you now have a twice the tpa when oping ....its not exactly 2 times the success rate (or 1/2 the faild rates on you), but oping into fort is incredibly easy.

This was the exact Case last age when we war-ed pewpew. We hit fort to reduce our land losses but i went from multiple failed ops to them casting the crap out a me. you lose 50% tpa/wpa in fort....even if your not supposed to you do.

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Yes

Fort is not working properly if it gives -50% effectivness to your offensive and defensive tpa. AFAIK it should give same penalty to effectivness as it does to gains as far as I can tell.

If what your saying is correct and fort makes you easyier to op for first 24h and then after that success rate is the exact same then its clearly coded wrong.

So much drama for robing 50-60 mill from dorje !

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Originally Posted by Anri

With that said:

If you like to speak, do so, dont mention Simians and dont respond to its members with cocky attitude.
I hope i have i expressed myself clear enough.

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Maybe when your people stop talking about me, I'll be inclined to listen to what you think/say.

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Originally Posted by goodz

Yes

Fort is not working properly if it gives -50% effectivness to your offensive and defensive tpa. AFAIK it should give same penalty to effectivness as it does to gains as far as I can tell.

If what your saying is correct and fort makes you easyier to op for first 24h and then after that success rate is the exact same then its clearly coded wrong.

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Then its coded wrong but its worked like that since age 55, its a mod to effectiveness....not "offensive" effectiveness. The age changes support what I'm claiming and my use in those ages supports that.

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Originally Posted by flutterby

You lost any right to tell me what to do two weeks ago. With that.. <3 you too.

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Ok, enjoy being PKed. Speak again and you lose two provs.