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Originally Posted by Zauper
Time to GB CR and Fake rage for deal breaks and lies last age and known and sanctioned cheaters playing under the cloak of fair play
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Originally Posted by Zauper
Time to GB CR and Fake rage for deal breaks and lies last age and known and sanctioned cheaters playing under the cloak of fair play
Flogger, here is our council when I learned of a 20 hum/wh+5fae/myst setup 6 hours away
[23:36] <@topsy> are you hungry?
[23:36] <@topsy> cause that's bb, ama, or pyro
[23:36] <@topsy> and they are talking to us
[23:36] <@topsy> communicating across islands
[23:37] <@topsy> "eat me"
[23:37] <@topsy> "eat me"
[23:37] <@topsy> can you hear them zaup?
and then:
[23:46] <@topsy> i think its pyro
Respect all around, but I was in irc and it was clear to anyone neutral who was playing the aggressor. It was ABsish. Pyro might not be all that, but you're making sure they know it. Claiming snitch is bush-league. No point in defending Pyro since the beloved would've kicked me anyway. That's not what is wrong.
Folks are not completely bad or good. It's nice that zauper and topsy lend their knowledge. It still doesn't change the harm that is critical to a shrinking game. Winning is wonderful, but it's better without undue mechanical advantage. Basically you're saying you engaged a poorly built kingdom with a full-bore overloaded questionable strat, fully expecting not just to win, but to humiliate Pyro. Step back a second. I thought you already did that last age. Restraint would've been in order. Look at your roster before you start thinking aggressive thoughts.
And, I'll remind you again: 10 spots down in the charts the AMA charge on you guys wouldn't have registered a blip.
I use to help Pyro.Quote:
Originally Posted by StratOcastle
Rage use to help Pyro.
Pyro thought they knew best and it blew back in their faces. Their pre-pump and prep for CR was so bad.
There is no doubt Pyro is a great warring kingdom but they should be willing to accept they need help in the other areas of the game. If they get that from AMA then great. We tried giving it last age to them but they didn't want it. I just hope that if they are allied with AMA this age that Elit does not screw them over like he did to Pew/Simians few ages back.
I find it funny that this is your response to me saying you robbed 150m gc from your ally 3 days before our conflict,
When this convo happened ~12 hours before I made that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOne
[21:36] <Nick_mi> wait
[21:36] <Nick_mi> you robbed 150m gc
[21:37] <Nick_mi> from your ally last age 3 days before our conflict?
[21:38] <cJ> i like it how you all exaggerate numbers to suit the stories
[21:38] <cJ> anyway wanna sc2? our trops are all out
[21:38] <cJ> sc2 and uto stuff are diff.
[21:38] <Nick_mi> see, notice how I didn't go public with it
[21:38] <Nick_mi> I came here
[21:38] <Nick_mi> to ask you
[21:38] <Nick_mi> to clarify
[21:38] <Nick_mi> it's good strat, you should use it
[21:40] <Nick_mi> so is that true?
[21:40] <Nick_mi> Because if you don't deny it or clarify it, I'm going to assume it's true
Yes and occasionally somebody pushes too far and they get smashed, and you pushed too far. That's also what has gone on for 17 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godly
It's a fine line to walk and sometimes somebody stumbles.
Yes shop items are that sacred, or at least they should be, if we allow people to use shop items to gain an unfair advantage we're essentially making the game pay to win which isn't what utopia is supposed to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godly
The point I was bringing up was that if someone is getting waved the first 6 hours of the game and the other side knows their location, it's likely the other side will suspect foul play and/or be really really pissed. None of these things are uncommon.Quote:
Originally Posted by topsy's revenge
Nice of you to tell me who ya traded locs with pre-age though, that's helpful information.
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Originally Posted by topsy's revenge
lmao topsy, you newer than anyone else in pyros? whose used car are you trying to sell? maybe you should take a look at the roster that we have. We are all proud of not having any superstars (because it's really hard to attract superstars to your kingdom) and we are willing to work with each other to make things work. while on the other hand, your kingdom has full of skilled players who years of experience, and this is how you all act?
What Kygal says is true, you guys are probably the most <insert adjective> bunch out there (and personally I never knew you to be like this).. Pyro did well in age 58+59 warring (unbeaten 6/6 and 7/7), and last age we did well winning vs legacy+bb+simians but lost with terrible prep vs CR. We publicly said that we're not used with those deep drafting stuff and all and that's why we lost. Do we think we are the best? Definitely not. Do we think we are good? We think we can give the big boys a run for their money (Seen from what happened last age).
We dont need to purposely get sick advantages to win wars or bully people around. Flogger and Protector can confirm that last age we give them extended CF (~3-4weeks) to prepare against Pyro when they were much smaller in size. And why did we do that? Because 2 ages ago, they needed acres in the EJ+AMA+BB race to land crown, and they respected our position at that time when we needed the acres to war.
And also, we didnt have a 4 days advantage pumping over yo guys. You all had eowcf benefits and all while we were losing troops joining the FPA (initially for the right cause but later for a dubious cause). Why do CR people always forget to include the good stuff that we do? Does the community even know that we gave you a 8-days extension for your to prepare against us? Do I really need to say it out there that Pyros didnt want to 'vulture' CR and just notice straight up after you guys CF AMA?
If the community didnt know, we were free to notice you straight away, but Nesta+myself felt it was unfair and we said internally we will try to beat you guys in a fair war, which of course didnt turn out fine cause we dont know how to pmp. We gave you a 8days extension. Funny how you guys keep insulting us for not knowing how to properly prepare, when we openly admit we are nubs at that. And mention about how we have extra prep time (when it isnt hte case) and conveniently forgetting to say how we gave you guys extra prep time.
You guys like to exaggerate numbers to sway the community, you guys like to QQ in #tactics with your masses to spread propaganda and all. I'm glad bishop came in and confirmed all the lies about how much military you all mentioned you all lost, and that i posted the 2 SOTs of those 2 that aided out and Godly kept quiet after that. Hundred of millions of gc from an ally last age? I'm sure.
We do not think we are the best kingdom out there, but from the past few ages, we are the best warring tier kingdom to ever step foot in the whoring tier. And what do we get? A whole bunch of top play politics and ****play all around. I dont think the most stacked roster in the server should be behaving like what you guys are behaving.
'They also instantly go whine to Bishop about something which obviously was counterproductive as it forced us to war 23v25. ' -> you still dont get it do you? You like to put the blame on others for actions meted upon your clear abuse of mechanics.
-cJ
AB, I believed We publicly acknowledged Drixx + Tox + WB + Binar + others (sorry to leave whoever out) for guiding Nesta, myself & Pyros last age. I dont understand why you mentioned that you tried giving us help but we didnt take it. You can ask Drixx, I have thanked him many times in private PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
Ofc we need help in other parts of the game, no top warring tier kingdom suddenly goes up to whore and does a good job. Only reason why we did well last age was because of advice and help from our 2 allies Pew and Rage. They helped alot in planning our setup and giving advice vs Simians + BB. We know we need help in those heavy drafted wars + diplo/politics/countering****play. And no, we're not allied to AMA. And no, Elit isnt the only 1 we speak to for advice.
Our pre-pump for CR was bad, and we publicly admitted. our first time doing such wars as you never do it in the warring tier. Why are you still digging on it? We know our mistakes. Did we ever say we know everything? No we didnt. Do you think a top warring kingdom with no background in top top whoreing wars and whose core probably have like 5-6 people who fought such wars before knows what to do? And whose leaders have never fought such wars can do it correct the first try?
We tried our best, and we failed.
You probably hate us because we left the FPA at the timing where Rage was getting hit by AMA, but why do you leave out the convenient details that the same CF that you guys got with AMA was the same offer Nesta+Me got 2days before that CF you got. But you guys refused that initial. If anyone in the community wants me to apologize for pulling out of the FPA after the FPA themselves threatened to do XX YY ZZ on AMA, I will never apologize for it. Because we didnt do anything wrong.
-cJ
It's taken me 2 days to catch up on all this! I have been reading in between conferences. Plus there is nothing for me to troll here that Godly hasn't already done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Knight
cJ,
Welcome to the top. You and your kingdom have slotted, very well, into the Game of Crowns.
#GameOfCrowns
When you play the Game of Crowns, you win or you cry.
Even if you win, you cry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
So let me get this straight, your mad because we say you robbed from an ally who you then farmed out to more than you did? I'm not sure you're seeing what we'd be annoyed at.
did pyro win yet? i heard it's 25 vs 17
CR's propaganding machine clearly doing it's job wellQuote:
Originally Posted by bluebear
Nice, avoid everything thing else in my post and harpe on the same issue because you know you are wrong on the other pointers.Quote:
Originally Posted by topsy's revenge
(in reference to below)
'lmao topsy, you newer than anyone else in pyros? whose used car are you trying to sell? maybe you should take a look at the roster that we have. We are all proud of not having any superstars (because it's really hard to attract superstars to your kingdom) and we are willing to work with each other to make things work. while on the other hand, your kingdom has full of skilled players who years of experience, and this is how you all act?
What Kygal says is true, you guys are probably the most <insert adjective> bunch out there (and personally I never knew you to be like this).. Pyro did well in age 58+59 warring (unbeaten 6/6 and 7/7), and last age we did well winning vs legacy+bb+simians but lost with terrible prep vs CR. We publicly said that we're not used with those deep drafting stuff and all and that's why we lost. Do we think we are the best? Definitely not. Do we think we are good? We think we can give the big boys a run for their money (Seen from what happened last age).
We dont need to purposely get sick advantages to win wars or bully people around. Flogger and Protector can confirm that last age we give them extended CF (~3-4weeks) to prepare against Pyro when they were much smaller in size. And why did we do that? Because 2 ages ago, they needed acres in the EJ+AMA+BB race to land crown, and they respected our position at that time when we needed the acres to war.
And also, we didnt have a 4 days advantage pumping over yo guys. You all had eowcf benefits and all while we were losing troops joining the FPA (initially for the right cause but later for a dubious cause). Why do CR people always forget to include the good stuff that we do? Does the community even know that we gave you a 8-days extension for your to prepare against us? Do I really need to say it out there that Pyros didnt want to 'vulture' CR and just notice straight up after you guys CF AMA?
If the community didnt know, we were free to notice you straight away, but Nesta+myself felt it was unfair and we said internally we will try to beat you guys in a fair war, which of course didnt turn out fine cause we dont know how to pmp. We gave you a 8days extension. Funny how you guys keep insulting us for not knowing how to properly prepare, when we openly admit we are nubs at that. And mention about how we have extra prep time (when it isnt hte case) and conveniently forgetting to say how we gave you guys extra prep time.
You guys like to exaggerate numbers to sway the community, you guys like to QQ in #tactics with your masses to spread propaganda and all. I'm glad bishop came in and confirmed all the lies about how much military you all mentioned you all lost, and that i posted the 2 SOTs of those 2 that aided out and Godly kept quiet after that. Hundred of millions of gc from an ally last age? I'm sure.
We do not think we are the best kingdom out there, but from the past few ages, we are the best warring tier kingdom to ever step foot in the whoring tier. And what do we get? A whole bunch of top play politics and ****play all around. I dont think the most stacked roster in the server should be behaving like what you guys are behaving.
'They also instantly go whine to Bishop about something which obviously was counterproductive as it forced us to war 23v25. ' -> you still dont get it do you? You like to put the blame on others for actions meted upon your clear abuse of mechanics.
-cJ'
-cJ
Don't be the new Simians Pyro. This thread seriously had nothing to do with you guys ... -_-
Where's nesta been btw? I haven't seen him anywhere since the cf extention leading up to conflict last age. He was always quite cool/reasonable in pm's.
You can hire me to come in and consult to counter their propaganda.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOne
Ok I consult you. PM me on IRC for cookies payment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
@Palem : Noted, and will avoid doing so
@topsy : At least he is smarter than me and told me he doesnt want to waste his time keyboard warring with the trolls on the forums. Dont worry, we share the same sentiments in the events of this age and last age.
This shall be my last post in this thread till the war is over (how long it will take, we will see).
-cJ
i think cJ has potential to be the next Anri. But i still like Anri more
In Simians defense, its usually someone else bringing them up, not them talking about themselves. Anri is actually a pretty nice guy, helping newbies to the game, and encouraging them for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
inb4 someone quotes a bunch from this thread disproving what I said wrong..
You didnt do anything for Pyro. You really need to check your ego dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
What bugs me is all gc pyro stole before wars. Its the difference between being undertrained or higher drafted or getting into a better build, often difference between win and lose esp when getting outhit. Now we know how banks was funded/trained quicker then expected and also chained core before Simians war. With our calcs econ did not add up at all. Now we know...
Id like to ask pyro a question. How does it feel to win because others fund your wins with gc support and advicing it all for you? I have no words for how lame it is. cJ in a virtual kind of way you need a bullet between your eyes. ****players doing this should just get exterminated from the server :)
~ Anri
Simianmaniacs
Well crap Anri, I was gonna say something nice about Simians...
In all fairness, I don't know if Pyro did or didn't steal gc before their wars, but if they did, it definitely wouldn't be the first time. Silly cats did it for ages, ABS robbed from their own, others stole tons of gc from outside kd's to fund wars. That is a strategy... So I hardly think cJ needs shot over it.
As for Simians, you guys have been around this game a very long time. You've had your ups and downs, and you are definitely a favorite to pick on. But I think it says a lot for your kd that you stick together and you haven't given up. I hope you guys are around for many more years of entertainment and trolling.
For Pyro, don't worry about being called the next Simians. Last age, AMA was given that honor. Next age, it'll be someone else. Just hope you have the staying power that Simians does to ride out all the storms you'll face in your future. And what the heck, might as well cause a few storms yourself along the way. The drama and trolling is what keeps this game alive after all.
*laughs*
Some one post a false allegation, and behold the peanut gallery jump on it like flies to ****.
Kygal, i know, its just sad, new KDs coming into t10 should not adapt to that kind of play. Its beneath them to do so. Some old kds might make them beleive its common practice, but its nothing but old and organized powerplay, its nothing honorable and fair about it. Pyromaniacs speaks so much about being the little guy, the newcomers that wins wars against all odds. Infact they are being monitored by a bunch of top players helping them, i am all good with that, they should get help etc, but not in the way of getting gold stocks from allies before wars. Its just a very messy thing. It has not been around much at all since absalom was removed, it was one of the things Simians and others faught for, to stop that kind of powerplay. BB/Pew/Simians/AMA did not counter absalom and friends with powerplay in such a way, we draw the line and did not fund each other gc at all. So to see a new "alliance" rise up and start sharing gc between each other is very bad. Pyromaniacs being new and all in the top as they say, they oughta learn first what is right and what is wrong. Thats all there is to it. Cant claim the we are being new card and then use the worst tricks in the book to thier favour and act as if it common practice when its not any longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by KyGal
Oh that's right. It's the ama-bb-pewpew-pyro etc alliance, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
CJ,
For what it's worth, you ought to press the enter button more often while writing big posts. It's such a slog trying to read those massive walls of text.
Also, please use the underline function a little more sparingly as it is intended to highlight small segments of a post.
When you underline or bold entire passages it looks terrible and unreadable and the formatting loses its purpose.
A lot is making sense now if Pyro was regularly having gold farmed to them prior to their wars lol
I love it when people from the opposing KD try to appear as a neutral bystander. bluebear/blackbear is from CR!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bluebear
Anri, we pwned Simians 2-0 the past 2 ages and both were without any outside assistance. Dont come and put your loss because we stole gc to fund our war against you, because we didnt. (I dont think any of our allies were free to give us gc then, not like we needed it or asked for it). You lost because you are noob, and you lost despite vulturing us straight oow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
You are another person that needs to look at the mirror to realise that you aint that good and you lost two wars against us, 1 of which you were waiting to vulture. And not because of outside interference. Pretty sure haters like you are going to find reasons for having lost to us.
Feel free to show my calcs on how we were not able to fund our troops against you guys. Last I recall, I was on 55% drafted while the other halfling cow was 50% drafted before start of war.
If you can find any evidence of us taking gc from outside for a war against any other kingdoms except CR, I will gladly send you a lambo.
The only time we took gc was against CR, but I am in no position to explain the rationale for doing so. And the numbers were nothing like it was mentioned on the forums (someone mentioned 100s of millions). It was Nesta's decision to do so, and I was vocal against it, and it was done when I was on sitting.
Also, there's nothing wrong listening to advice from my allies on how to structure a kingdom setup vs an opposition. WB & Tox did help significantly by suggesting the orc bait vs BB. Because we know we are not the best, we do ask around on what to do. And there are people willing to help us.
-cJ
If Havoc tells me which provinces they want to reset, I can start razekilling them.
Who funded Pyros before your war? Would love to hear it. Based off one other claim you suddenly jump on it as an excuse for your incompetence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Like KyGal said, anyone who played in top KDs for years such as Abs has been on one end of this before. It's not common but it happens.
Pyro were around before we were an ally to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion
So having resolved the one interesting question RE the use of reset and its propriety under different theories of notice to the community, we now have moved on to the most uninteresting questions from last age.
Lock thread please.
I am speaking more about AFTER the GB took place. You pulled out and from what I understand Drixx was still willing to give help, yet you/Nesta both cut all communications with him and thought you knew best. He was willing to help you prepare against CR is what I mean by that. In regards to that GB, you did do wrong as you LEFT your ally vs a kingdom with a war button against us because we HELPED your interests originally. Surely you can understand the abuse *if* you received any from Drixx was justified as you abandoned us?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOne
You should learn going forward that trust is a real hard thing to get back. Especially as the games numbers are dwindling. You have to look out for the interests of your allies if you want to remain allies and explain logically why you are not helping without cutting all communications and leaving.
People are already squashing rumors of an AMA-BB-Pyro-Pew alliance (Pew not so sure about, don't think they'd be stung willingly by AMA twice) but Pyro I'd ask around what happened with the AMA-BB-Pew-simians alliance the last time their competitors folded early age.
lol at cJ saying we vulture them after 96h EoWcf with WW bonus to thier side with great economic boost with banks plus 48h normal/fort stance that we waved into. Not to mention the fact we explored up to match thier size so they could not vulture us, also they tend to forget, they noticed us first and broke the CF ingame. Its a whole lot of BS coming from cJ. Not sure if its because he is nub or not. Simians faught very good and Pyro almost crumbled despite of all advantages they had. cJ even wanted to WD with procy until Nesta came in and saved the day. We know how to war from disadvantage and were not affraid of taking a loss over it because we know we did awesome against stacked odds. If roles had been reversed we would have won, its not much more to say about that war. I am happy we made you happy that get bragging rights over us, its very cute and all. Regarding first war, it was a legit win with both KDs being equals before war, its just the fact i did not lead the war, Ovenmitt did and he did terrible plus managed to fully release a province he was sitting in war to give you a free chain etc. I dont take responsibility for that war, i was on "break" and started to lead again vs Legacy, bloodbrothers and Strippers, wars we won. You did not beat me, you beat the KD of Simians, we are 25 players, and if anything you beat Ovenmitt.
And sure, you can say you did not take gc from your friends to fund the war, but we all know that is not true, just because i have not saved loggs and calcs from the situation itself does not make you look any better. I cant prove it with calcs right now and when it happend we really did not care. Its just the thing about you taking gold once again vs CR and then coming to the forums and trying to get your bragging rights over me and others and at the same time trying to act all humble and nub when it comes to top play. The fact is that you used a very old tactic to get advantages in war. Normaly its done vs the enemy if you are very bold and sometimes it can be executed in a way they cant really do anything about it. Both Cats and Simians and many others did this. You on the other hand steal from low/0 tpa targets to fund your wars, and you steal it from friends to twerk into getting advantages. Its just very low level of play and its not the way alliances is supposed to work. You see, i am old school and im brought up with the standards of KLA and if **** like that had been going on infront of my face i had raped into my own alliance, because there is certain god damn standards in this game that people should honor, if they dont honor it, well they gotta play ball and remember what is done to others should be done to them. You are making ****play like that not questionable and wrinkle your nose like its nothing, its okey, others done it in the past and so will we. I dont find it near as amusing as the rest in the top that seem to think this is okey. Pewpew to be one of the funders of your wars, they make it okey aswell to powerplay like this. No one see anything wrong about this and you try to make **** right in here with me and others. You said it yourself, like the clown you are, that you did fund your own KD vs CR. I understand if you dont want to admit the rest, it would make you look even worse.
There is just a lot behind all of your fancy talk in here and i see straight thru you, like a ****ing book. You are not only noob, you are a worse then most when it comes to ****play and powerplay and you act upon it and feel high and mighty in some posts and in other posts just working on being humble. Well screw that, you are nothing of it. You post what you think others want to hear while i dont give a flying F about players of your kind. I post here out of pity for utopia itself and to what level the game has decayed with leaders like you making ****play being a legit thing. You are sprung up like some new kid on the block and call me noob when i have 10 times the experience compared to you. I dont need to explain myself regarding this. You got a lot to learn even if your learning curve is high, but telling me i am noob is hillarious after a ****load of posts where you showed zero understanding of some very well known details regarding game mechanics and other weird **** you done ingame. Sure, you can use the i won over Simians card, but that does not make you any better. I feel bad for Nesta, having to put up with you and teaching you about every step, he must struggle hard.
No ****, Sherlock?! Even though I think you'd likely mess up anyway...Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Why do you post in strategy section, are you trying to make the new players more bad? Just look at what your advice has done to drixx. Quit pretending to be all strategic i still remember when you were running bb when flogger was Mia and all the horrible mistakes committed by that kd, still gives me a laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by topsy's revenge